Speed Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[Benmage]

K, Haylens still cute. Anyways I got some catching up to do..but it'll likely have to wait till tomorrow. This weekend may be rough for activity from me. Rules say weekend leniency..maybe I can find some significant time tomorrow.

[populartajo]

Then of note is populartajos 258 in which he briefly votes cobble and paints him in a bad light (I assume cobble he later clarified he wansn't voting himself), but the sprints away and doesn't pursue this line of reasoning to join the katsuki wagon. I'd be happy to lay a vote down here as well.

when did I ever vote cobble?

i am not seeing magister ludi towniness, someone can explain it to me?

in other news, I think I can live with katsuki = non optymal lynch today, despite I think the claim is fake and her posts are terrible.

its not like this game is empty of scum reads, especially since I just isolated amrun and placeholder vote blew my mind.

im fine with the following people dying: sathoris, haylen, amrun, cobblerfane, katsuki

also kanye is town (who the hell admits he cant be read as town?)

i keep going back to this post, specially after drawring the amrun-cobbler connection.

Fwew. Finally done catching up. I've played as scumbuddies with Amrun in a previous game and he's acting way different so I trust him. My top two are Katsuki and AlmasterGM. Well, Katsuki is more of a variable, but I do trust Amrun and I think the cupcake will make a good

lunch

lynch.
VOTE: Katsuki

the joke is a nervous scumtell, im damn sure about this.

Unvote vote: cobblerfane.

[SpyreX]

You're missing the even more awesome part of that post.

But can we do Amrun first kk sheep n sap?

[populartajo]

updated

townz

1) The Mask - new, liked his last post
4) Benmage - agressive benmage is town benmage
7) kanyeknowsbest - who the hell admits he cant be read as town?
8) CrimpingNoofball - meta
14) SpyreX - meta
16) AlmasterGM - good posting
18) evilpacman18 - dgb-camn-juls paranoia is a towntell.

the I have doubts list

5) Lowell - not enough input
6) Juls - still have doubts
10) xRECKONERx - WHERE IS A MY BETTER LIST??
11) Sathoris - reck attack feels weird
12) Haylen - bad reads are bad reads
13) Magister Ludi - gut, attack on evil feels oportuinistic

scumzorz list

3) Amrun - i agree too much coincidence, placeholder vote is fail,
9) WingDamage9001 - terrible posts, hasnt improved with c.worl
15) Katsuki - terrible posts, jokes with being scum, fails at defending, fails at reads, feels caught, FAKE claim
17) Cobblerfone -

My top two are Katsuki and AlmasterGM. Well, Katsuki is more of a variable, but I do trust Amrun and I think the cupcake will make a good

lunch

lynch.
VOTE: Katsuki

making jojes to vote someone is a nervous scumtell.
posting unoficial votecoutns is also a scumtell
reasoning to vote is weak and omgusy.

[Juls]

Personally I would replace Pacman with Sathoris or Alamaster. Pacman gets town points for asking what "scum motivations" would someone have on one of Amrun's arguments.

Also who is Juls and why am I voting him?

Her.

I will post a list before every night of who I'm choosing from.

A lynch could happen at any time. Get to it!

Unvote, Vote: Cobbler

You are hopping on the second largest wagon. You have yet to say WHY YOU think Cobbler is scummy. You have only parrotted others.

Mod: Can hiders be roleblocked?

Wait hold on.
WD replacing out makes him more scummy?

He is scummy but there are others that are scummy where we learn MUCH more from their lynch.

Stay focused, guys. We're having Kats or Cobbler pie today.

This! I feel we learn the other's alignment from the flop. IT MUST BE ONE OF THESE 2.

Amrun would know Cobble is town and that a hammer would look bad so she's already setting herself up to be absolved.

I made this exact case against Cobble. What do you feel about his doing the same thing?

I will only vote between Amrun & Katsuki for the remainder of D1. One of them are dying. I choose Amrun over Cobble because an Amrun flip gives more info on Cobble, especially an Amrun-scum flip.

Cobble gives us information on all 3 of these people.

But I do believe Amrun to be town at this point.

I can read momentum, okay. My lynch is likely to go through and I know that. Either way, I want the opportunity to post my cases. Working on a re-read now.

Really? What makes you think this wagon will succeed?

I also don't like the Cobbler vote without reasons givin

He gave reasons.

The only thing I have to really ask her is why she has a townie read on Benmage? Because I'm not seeing anything pro-town coming from him at all.

Primarily his aggressiveness and definitive reads. No waffling, he is saying what he feels. I have learned that there are different play styles and I think his is short and to the point. It works for him. It's not my style but it's giving me town vibes.

Scum

Katsuki - either or with Kat

Wuh?

Cut and paste error.

Also, random thought to get out there, not sure if this is true yet - I have a sneaking suspicion if Katsuki and Amrun are both scum, that Cobbler is town and Juls is scum. She has consistently tried to sneak the wagon away from those two onto Cobbler without any REAL reason for doing so, so I'm pretty skeptical of her motives at this point.

Is it that you don't like my reasons or claiming I don't have any. I have posted them as clearly as I possibly can. I can't help but notice the hate from you started almost immediately after I listed you in my leaning scum column.

@Spy - I love you but you seem to be leading everyone on a wild goose chase. You have FoS'd 3 quarters of the players and keep saying "so-and-so would be a fine lynch". We should all focus and agree on Cobbler or Katsuki in my opinion.

[Sathoris]

Thoughts on first 9 pages. Thoughts on the other pages to come tomorrow.

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I thought the early votes on Kat were unfounded. The game was still in RVS as demonstrated by other posts later and the remark didn't seem out of place. Lot of interaction between Reck and Juls who gang up on Kat in http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3034592 but then Juls distances herself from Reck in http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3034582 all of a sudden.

In http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3034619
you say Kats town and Kats scum would both react the same way. Then why is a simple random post in page 2 enough to call her obvscum?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3034678 Not even adressed by the question and still felt the need to defend herself.

Although Katsuki then makes some posts in which he contradics himself and doesn't appear to handle himself too well early in the game. No way of getting himself out of the spotlight and only making it worse. In http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3035258 he gently refers to his cupcake answer earlier in the game with a slight breeze as if it's just as harmless as the first one. No need to recreate a post like that if you're just trying to make it appear more nonchalant.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3035694 Hints at repeatedly being called town. Never like that.

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The early play from Reck and espeically juls seem intent on catching anyone turning the slighest post into something big. Steering the discussion their way. However Kats didn't handle it properly and made things worse for himself. I would vote for Kats now, but I don't know what happened later so I'll cast my new vote tomorrow.

[Juls]

Ack...part of my post got cut off (fail cut and paste). Insert this above the previous post.

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If behind town, you live, and hard-confirm a townie.

This assumes Kat is town and not fakeclaiming scum. She isn't confirmed until she is dead. For me, she also becomes town if Cobbler is scum.

Yeah, but read the questionnaire he filled out and compare it to the possible mafia roles here. He made an unwise decision by leaving, but that slot is town.

Unless he was posting that for our benefit.

If Kat doesn't get rope hide behind one of:
WD
Pacman
Cobbler

[populartajo]

You're missing the even more awesome part of that post.
But can we do Amrun firs kk sheep n sap?

what i am missing
thinking agm is scum?
thinking kats is variable but still votes her?
trusting amrun?

nah, definitely the strikethrough joke is scummier

Ill switch if necessary but Cobbler is scummier in so many levels.

[Juls]

The early play from Reck and espeically juls seem intent on catching anyone turning the slighest post into something big.

I won't apologize for scum-hunting quickly in a SPEED game.

Also, if you expect me (or anyone) to be able to respond to you then you are going to need to address people by name or better organize your thoughts. I think you are talking to me in the post above then click the link and its something Reck posted. I can't follow it.

[SpyreX]

The fact they were never scum together! (except this game)

@Spy - I love you but you seem to be leading everyone on a wild goose chase. You have FoS'd 3 quarters of the players and keep saying "so-and-so would be a fine lynch". We should all focus and agree on Cobbler or Katsuki in my opinion.

I gots nothin but love but you better go ahead and expand this "3 quarters of the game" business or go "oops, you actually have more town than scum and neither of those individually or probably even together are 3 quarters of anything my bad vote: amunrunrnr"

[SpyreX]

And just so we've got this part absolutely clear:

Thu May 12, 2011 1:27 am <- AM's post in a different game I saw.
Thu May 12, 2011 1:46 am <- Me calling this out.
Thu May 12, 2011 1:52 am <- "Coincidental" posting in this game

So, the story to be bought is "Ohh I was posting in my games (because I'm pretty active in all my games except this one HUH) and then just after getting called out for not posting here (but not because of it) I just happened to check Patrick's things (also note: not THeme Park directly) and just happened to post less than 10 minutes after being called out for a game that opened over a day ago."

Yeeaaa

[Juls]

I admit, 3/4 is an exageration (Cobble, Amrun, Kat, WD, Pacman with mild on Mask, are the ones I see, is this accurate?). But you are fosing several and it feels like you see a shiny penny and forget about the quarter sitting right in front of you. I would like to see more focus because we don't have time to jump all over the place. It wasn't an accusation but a request.

[evilpacman18]

You mean split between Amrun/Cobble?
But I would actually kinda prefer Cobble over Amrun.

PREDIT: C-Worl is 100% a Katsbuddy, also, if Kats does flip scum

He's not the smartest player I've ever played with but he's not an idiot either. They're not scumbuddies.

I can't tell if The Mask is town or if it's that avatar.

Someone who's played with Reck, how's his meta? I think I have but I don't remember him being like this. Or I played with a hydra where he was a head.

I'm quite up for Amrun.

unvote, vote: Amrun

Haylen looks like town to me. She's that town that's like "I'm gonna start my own wagon even though it's a waste of time." Being contrary is town play.

AlmasterGM is still reading me with tunnel vision. If you want my posts to look scummy they will look scummy.

[Juls]

Pacman, your thoughts on cobble?

[Katsuki]

CANDIDATES FOR POTENTIAL HIDE N' SEEK BEDROOM:

JULS
PACMAN
AGM
___________________

CNB, any other preferences?

I won't be back until late today.

[Juls]

So shall I assume those are the 3 you have the most scummy reads on?

[Katsuki]

No.

[Juls]

What is your motivations for those 3? Should we not try to make the list the most scummy? So you either confirm scum or drive scum away from the towniest players as their night choice?

[Katsuki]

I shall direct you to CNB's nuggets of wisdom.

[Juls]

That was my understanding of what Crimp was suggesting here:

Now, about Katsuki's choices. If Kats hides behind scum and dies, we'll never know who the scum it. What if Kats posts a list of 3 possible night choices? Then we'd have a clue.

So shouldn't you be trying to hide behind scum?

[xRECKONERx]

Too drunk to respond to this shit

[C-Worl]

Too high to care.

[populartajo]

Too drunk to respond to this shit

then why post here?

[xRECKONERx]

Because my bookmarks were like YOU GOT THE NEW POSTS and I can never remember if I'm in GD or not

[SpyreX]

I admit, 3/4 is an exageration (Cobble, Amrun, Kat, WD, Pacman with mild on Mask, are the ones I see, is this accurate?). But you are fosing several and it feels like you see a shiny penny and forget about the quarter sitting right in front of you. I would like to see more focus because we don't have time to jump all over the place. It wasn't an accusation but a request.

Ohh, they're all dead. Its just a function of order (and maybe not Mask I cant make up my mind there)

I should be offended CDB gets all the love when I'm pretty sure I said pick of three first BUT.

CANDIDATES FOR POTENTIAL HIDE N' SEEK BEDROOM:

JULS
PACMAN
AGM

This is fine with the request to swap out Juls or AGM for Cobble on an Amrun town flip.