Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

[ReaperCharlie]

It wouldn't if it were one of MY games... *spongebob giggle*

[tanstalas]

Way to be non-helpful.

@Haylen - Not including this game of course. Have you ever created a game that had a jester in it?

Orrr. You can just look at the list of previous games I have run on my wiki and find them on MS. Sorry, as a mod, I like to stay out of the game as much as possible because Farside has threatened to 'have words' with me before now for accidentally letting info slip ~ Hayl

[Haylen]

Shun Count

:
Charlie: Doombunny, Stefunny, Kryptinen
Umbrage: Nobody Special
Reapercharlie: Charlie, Umbrage
Zodiark: Pulindar, Tans
Rhinox: Hiraki
Doombunny: ReaperCharlie


Not being a shunning bastard: Zodiark, Rhinox

Deadline:

Thursday 19th May 9pm GMT

Votes to lynch:

7/12

Prods:

Notes:

[Doombunny9]

Why would you say it's "too early" for an alliance? From my experience, some alliances become ripe early, some later on. But I do agree with Pulindar that multi-scum in a mini-game would make for a very confusing alliance experience indeed. I didn't think of this too thoroughly before, and I'm having second thoughts about it. Still though, why is it "too early"? You didn't mention any reasons.

I have been in a game with something similar to an alliance (Not exactly but pretty close), and while it worked out well enough up until endgame, the alliance needed clearly defined pro-town players and anti-town players which I don't feel we really have much of a line separating them yet.

#202 still: Did Umbrage ever answer the question about why he's bulldogging tanstalas so hard for being scum, but isn't actually voting him?

I skimmed through the game and haven't seen anything so I doubt it. I may have just missed it though.

Orrr. You can just look at the list of previous games I have run on my wiki and find them on MS. Sorry, as a mod, I like to stay out of the game as much as possible because Farside has threatened to 'have words' with me before now for accidentally letting info slip

This means no (I've checked).

[ReaperCharlie]

Why would you say it's "too early" for an alliance? From my experience, some alliances become ripe early, some later on. But I do agree with Pulindar that multi-scum in a mini-game would make for a very confusing alliance experience indeed. I didn't think of this too thoroughly before, and I'm having second thoughts about it. Still though, why is it "too early"? You didn't mention any reasons.

I have been in a game with something similar to an alliance (Not exactly but pretty close), and while it worked out well enough up until endgame, the alliance needed clearly defined pro-town players and anti-town players which I don't feel we really have much of a line separating them yet.

Do you or do you not understand the importance of the Alliance being a viable solution WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS SCUM PENETRATION/INFILTRATION? It will still work either way.

If you don't understand how it can/why it does work even with scum infiltration, just say so, and I'll explain it. AGAIN.

#202 still: Did Umbrage ever answer the question about why he's bulldogging tanstalas so hard for being scum, but isn't actually voting him?

I skimmed through the game and haven't seen anything so I doubt it. I may have just missed it though.

Yo Umbrage: Why?

Orrr. You can just look at the list of previous games I have run on my wiki and find them on MS. Sorry, as a mod, I like to stay out of the game as much as possible because Farside has threatened to 'have words' with me before now for accidentally letting info slip

This means no (I've checked).

Alright.

[Umbrage]

RC's still not scumhunting, eh? Nothing's changed I see. My vote stays where it is.

I'm reading Rhinox in ISO, will comment later.

[Hiraki]

Tomorrow.

I'm about to pass out.

If I don't post tomorrow, then I can be a viable lynch for lurking. But I will, so don't worry.

What will I do?

Well, if I tell you, your minds may blow up.

So I won't tell you.

[Doombunny9]

Do you or do you not understand the importance of the Alliance being a viable solution WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS SCUM PENETRATION/INFILTRATION? It will still work either way.

I understand this but from personal experience I'm still just kind of uneasy about the whole thing since the scum in the game I was in were able to outmaneuver the alliance and take the win. I suppose it may just be stubbornness but I'd rather wait until D2 at least until I'd like to see an alliance.

Yo Umbrage: Why?

^

[Stefunny]

Tomorrow.

I'm about to pass out.

If I don't post tomorrow, then I can be a viable lynch for lurking. But I will, so don't worry.

What will I do?

Well, if I tell you, your minds may blow up.

So I won't tell you.

Does this mean you believe in lynching people solely because they are lurking?

[Pulindar]

Prologue

I understand this but from personal experience I'm still just kind of uneasy about the whole thing since the scum in the game I was in were able to outmaneuver the alliance and take the win. I suppose it may just be stubbornness but I'd rather wait until D2 at least until I'd like to see an alliance.

I agree. plus don't think it will work with multiple groups, which I'm not sure whether we have or not.
Btw, RC did you ever answer my questions for you as a pro alliance person?

Misrep

in post # 297 you clearly either did not read my post 197 or decided to misprep me.

My 197 does have information, that's true, but it also has my thoughts the information afterwards. Next time you make a claim try not to just skim a post.

policy lynching

for lurking and other things that scum can use to hide themselves, I do believe in policy lynching when no scummy target can be found.

Lurking is a constant weak scum tell. Posting random bits of information or just random posts constantly repeating the same thing is also a scum tell to me.

So Stef, while I won't currently push for a Hiraki lynch based on policy I would if I had no one else.

my case

apparently my case on Zod is weak as no one has commented on it at all yet?

Will anyone at least challenge some of my points?

Epilogue

Will be gone for the weekend, but at the rate the game is going I don't think that'll be much of a problem.

EN1: Zod
Towny feel: Stef, Doom, Tans, Rinox (except for his recent lurking)

Nmh this is just what I'm feeling right now, haven't gone over the thread again.

Btw, umbrage, I enjoyed the wall post. Especially since I'd read most of it at least once before.

[Zodiark13]

Oh I see what you've done now Hayl, you naughty girl. ;P

@tans, stop trying to mod-confirm Umbrage and actually play the game.

I never nessicarily said it was scummy. A reason to vote != something scummy.

Then why would you want to vote him for that? I see no reason for it.

Ever heard of a thing called anti-town?

Plus, he was trying to break the game through mod intervention, and threatening to quit if he didn't get his game-breaking. Scum are more likely to do this because a free kill is a free kill.

He wanted Umbrage to get a warning for attacking him. How the heck does this break the game?

He wanted a warning AT MINIMUM. He also listed force-replacement and modkill as alternatives.

Do the same for Zod, if you like.

ignores questions, doesn't give many reads on people, finds asking Haylen for a warning scummy.

1) All questions put forward by you to me have been answered.
2) You want my reads?
3) As said.

[Doombunny9]

Ever heard of a thing called anti-town?

Voting someone for being anti-town is one thing (A policy lynch). Voting someone for being scummy is another (A fo' sho vote). Tell me, which do you think is better?

1) All questions put forward by you to me have been answered.
2) You want my reads?
3) As said.

1a) Yes, but not as quickly as you could have. If I have to remind you to answer something, we have an issue.
1b) This point is bull. You never answered by second question in the post where "Then why would you want to vote him for that? I see no reason for it." came from (Namely How does asking the mod to give someone a warning break the game). I see NO reason whatsoever why someone would see one question but miss the other.
2) Yes. You've only given real cases on tans and RC (to a point). Surely you have more than this.
3) As just stated Lynching scummy people>Policy lynches

[Hiraki]

Doombunny. Let's have a chat, shall we?

Its basically a way of saying "Was your vote a RV or not", I see no harm in that question.

3. Who would you have voted for if RC had not preformed an act you thought scummy, why?

How the hell did you conclude that? This is asking if RC never did anything scummy, who would be next. Pulindar is obviously trying to find out who NS thinks is scum, and also doesn't see RC's topic that scummy.

I have no problem with the shun. This is where I liked you. It wasn't the best vote, but it wasn't the worst vote.

How will more people posting change your answers? I agree with RC, if you have something to say, stop avoiding it.

Because you've totally said a lot too. Not that you've promised things, but still. You should get my drift.

I find Charlie most scummy for his failure to answer RC's questions and his auto writing off Krypt as town for D1. So I suppose my pressure vote is partially a real vote and the "pressure" part is just a bonus.

This is crap.

Pressure vote=/=claims. I am pressure voting because I am expressing that I want Charlie to explain the "tons of things" he can say about RC's post.

This seems like you're just going after Charlie for revenge at this point because you believe he can't say much about it.

Ha. I bet if Charlie did explain, you'd probably say it wasn't enough. Ahh. Dreaming.

Your nitpicking has been noted

Can we end this here?

At this point, Doombunny has been buying cars at Honda, and only the blue ones.

These answers seem "off" to me.

Thanks for explaining.

Yeah I'd like to finish this, but another game made me

extremely annoyed.

Can I leave this like this for now?

I mean, this is convincing enough, but there is more.

You just need to do this cool thing.

It's called reading. Some humans made it up.

[Charlie]

This is me asking.

OK. Think about it this way; put yourself in the shoes of a mod. Now you're the mod. You decide to have a PR-ed player in your game. You weigh the pros and cons of a Town one vs. a Mafia one (or, you automatically make a Town one no questions asked). The PR Townie here is limited in so many ways; they'll be difficult to read, they have the ignored by the lazy, they'll have difficulty in getting their points across. Generally, a crippling role. Very suited to Town. I hope this is logical.

Contradiction much? Also, you say you took away the null reads but you listed Umbrage and Rhinox as null. Care to explain? Do you find RC scummy or null/town? do you find Umbrage and Rhinox null or scummy? Also, you skipped over the last part of my question- Why is RC a better lynch than any of these people?

No contradiction. Look at that list again, I've picked out the players who seems null to me but they've done things that stand out in the spotlight to be memorable. They've either been at the center of attention or are causing it. The 2 players I've left out, tanstalas and Zodiark13, managed to duck the spotlight and IMHO are doing a good job of it.

RC is scummy. He's wallposting and verbose because he's excited.

Umbrage had an argument with ReaperCharlie. I think nobody won that one. He's null.

Rhinox's posting seems like he's posting without actually posting. This is what stands out to me. He's null, but since you've asked about his specifically I'll say that he's slightly on the scummy side to me.

Why is RC a better lynch? I'm not sure, I'll defend my vote as where it is but in terms of deciding the best lynch on D1, I'm not good at that. I'll look at the cases on others, judge which is the most convincing one and support it.

Don't get me wrong. Not every mafiascum player plays by 'leading'. Others prefer a more supportive role, and work better co-operating with Town reads.

[Doombunny9]

Because you've totally said a lot too. Not that you've promised things, but still. You should get my drift.

I don't beleive I do get your drift. Enlighten me.

This is crap.

Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to remember how convincing this is.

This seems like you're just going after Charlie for revenge at this point because you believe he can't say much about it.

While not being able to say much about it may have been one of the ways it could have ended up, there could have been plenty of other ways as well. Tell me, why

wouldn't

I have wanted to know the information?

Thanks for explaining.

Oh the irony.

The reasons these seemed off to me is that NS looked like he was ready for a lynch early on in the game off of a weak case. Which is you know... Bad.

And yes, I have been reading.

Rhinox's posting seems like he's posting without actually posting.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

[Stefunny]

This is me asking.

OK. Think about it this way; put yourself in the shoes of a mod. Now you're the mod. You decide to have a PR-ed player in your game. You weigh the pros and cons of a Town one vs. a Mafia one (or, you automatically make a Town one no questions asked). The PR Townie here is limited in so many ways; they'll be difficult to read, they have the ignored by the lazy, they'll have difficulty in getting their points across. Generally, a crippling role. Very suited to Town. I hope this is logical.

This definitely falls under "Expect the Unexpected" and It's realistically WIFOM. Yes, it makes more sense logically that the PR is town, but how do we know that the mod didn't anticipate that and make the PR mafia knowing that some would write it off as town. This whole discussion is null. We do not know either way. You should judge what you think Kryptin's position is by the content of her posts, not by her PR.

RC is scummy. He's wallposting and verbose because he's excited.

Being excited is a scum tell?

[kryptinen]

Suponía que debía decir algo, pero luego hubo Festival de la Canción de

Eurovisión

y el Campeonato Mundial de

Hockey

Sobre Hielo.

Ganamos. Contra Suecia. <3

[[Cállate, es importante para nosotros. Tenemos una historia.]]

traducir

[tanstalas]

Suponía que debía decir algo, pero luego hubo Festival de la Canción de

Eurovisión

y el Campeonato Mundial de

Hockey

Sobre Hielo.

Ganamos. Contra Suecia. <3

[[Cállate, es importante para nosotros. Tenemos una historia.]]

Supposed to say something, but then there was the Festival Song Contest and the World Championship of Ice Hockey.

We won. Against Sweden. <3

[[Shut up, it is important to us. We have a history.]]

This seems like you made a post just to make a post.

Anyhow. I am still content with an Umbrage or Zod lynch. Though RC is narrowing that gap to get into the top 2

[ReaperCharlie]

Back!(ish)

[Doombunny9]

I'm sorry I have to do this but due to things out of my control, I won't be able to dedicate as much time to this game as I probably should and it would be best for me if I replace out.

[tanstalas]

This game has certainly gotten stagnant lately

[Hiraki]

I blame the lack of Doombunny votes.

Do I really need to go on?

[Haylen]

Sending a message to Nachomamma. Will be V/LA for the next two days due to exams, if something pressing comes up contact me on haylen46@aim.com or kettle-cheeze@hotmail.co.uk

[ReaperCharlie]

Back!(ish)

Really? Only 3 posts since yesterday?

Haylen, can you begin to prodify people?

[Rhinox]

I was prodded. Sorry for sucking at keeping up with this game. I'll do my best to get caught up today.