Newbie 1103: Just Another Chaotic Town (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.03

Elsa von Spielburg (2) - Miss JJ, Staeg
FireStorm (1) - TripMyWire
Meransiel (1) - Quilford
Scumhunter (1) - Elsa von Spielburg
Staeg (1) - Meransiel
Thor665 (1) - Scumhunter

Not Voting (2) - Thor665, FireStorm

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, June 1, 2011, at 11:59 PM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

Thor665 is V/LA May 12-15

[Miss JJ]

Hi Elsa, nice to see you again. I'm not seeing anything too alarming right now but as to your slight read on Scumhunter: I wouldn't have thought about that but it could be something. For now, I don't see a reason to keep my vote on you, let alone a reason you should have two. I do want to nudge Quil, though.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Quil

[TripMyWire]

I'm cool with my vote on Scumhunter not being random on the basis of his "hopefully a town win". Town don't typically need to affirm they're town and seeing that reads slightly of scum trying too hard.

Ohhhh nice observation. I did a little snooping and I see that he's been active in other games but hasn't posted in this one in a while. Perhaps he too forgot he was in this game. Are we that forgettable? Hehe...

Anyway. Does everyone have pretty decent availability? As you might be able to tell by my number of posts, I'm usually always at a computer during the week so I'm on here fairly often.

[Quilford]

I have exams throughout this week and next, so I'm studying hardcore at the moment.

I'll get a post up today, hopefully. Rereading.

[TripMyWire]

I have exams throughout this week and next, so I'm studying hardcore at the moment.

I'll get a post up today, hopefully. Rereading.

It's that time of year again. Ah, I remember those days... oh, to be young again. Good luck.

[Miss JJ]

Maybe his other games are more exciting. Could be true for Quil, also, lol, as I saw his posts in another game.


Edited during post: Yeah, looks like he's busy.

[Miss JJ]

Anyway. Does everyone have pretty decent availability? As you might be able to tell by my number of posts, I'm usually always at a computer during the week so I'm on here fairly often.

I'm usually a posting whore but I will admit playing with all you experienced players intimidates the heck out of me.

<<<Little fish in big sea

[TripMyWire]

Anyway. Does everyone have pretty decent availability? As you might be able to tell by my number of posts, I'm usually always at a computer during the week so I'm on here fairly often.

I'm usually a posting whore but I will admit playing with all you experienced players intimidates the heck out of me.

<<<Little fish in big sea

Haha. Don't let that stop you. This is a newbie game so spread your fins and post... you gotta start somewhere. Thor is the only IC here and so the rest of us are still learning how to find our place in the big sea.

[Quilford]

I'm going to vote Scumhunter because I know from various games IRL and on (dare I say it) Epicmafia, that mafia tend to state the obvious (e.g. 'hopefully town will win this one') or make subtle affirmations that they're town (e.g. 'I'm voting XXX because he voted for me, and I'm town' - that wasn't exactly subtle, but you know what I mean). Elsa's pointed this out, too.

Plus it's the best we've got at such an early stage in the game.

[Quilford]

I fail.

VOTE: Scumhunter

[Miss JJ]

I'm getting a town read on Quil because of two things:

1. He placed a vote on someone who was already voted.
2. I feel it was for a good reason.


UNVOTE: Quil

[Scumhunter]

Fair enough Quilford. However, a townie might also overstate the obvious to try and emphasize his towniness to the rest of the game. Yes, some might see it as a form of buddying, etc, but ya not really a scumtell particularly from me (not that you would know that though).

What is your name on epicmafia? I have played a ton there up until recently.

[Staeg]

1. He placed a vote on someone who was already voted.

Not a town-tell.

Townies should be by far more concerned about scumhunting rather than their own survival.

Vote: Scumhunter

That should be L-2

[Staeg]

Damn unvotes >.>

Unvote: Elsa von spielburg
Vote: scumhunter

[Miss JJ]

1. He placed a vote on someone who was already voted.

Not a town-tell.

Townies should be by far more concerned about scumhunting rather than their own survival.

LOL one thing I notice about this site is there seems to be a "playbook" where there are rules about what is a towntell or what is scummy, etc. I usually just make my own decisions about what I think. Not everyone is cut out of the same cloth and I can't see looking at it that way. In my opinion, he wouldn't have done that if he were mafia but, of course, that's just one action and we're only on page 4 of Day 1. And yes, I agree that townies should be more concerned about scumhunting than their own survival but what does that have to do with my post?

[FireStorm]

ugh, I hate timezones, you guys are all awake while I'm sleeping Ok, I saw some questions directed towards me, but I was skimming through, so I didn't actually read them, so I'll go ahead and read the questions now, then I'll answer them

[Staeg]

1. He placed a vote on someone who was already voted.

Not a town-tell.

Townies should be by far more concerned about scumhunting rather than their own survival.

LOL one thing I notice about this site is there seems to be a "playbook" where there are rules about what is a towntell or what is scummy, etc. I usually just make my own decisions about what I think. Not everyone is cut out of the same cloth and I can't see looking at it that way. In my opinion, he wouldn't have done that if he were mafia but, of course, that's just one action and we're only on page 4 of Day 1. And yes, I agree that townies should be more concerned about scumhunting than their own survival but what does that have to do with my post?

I should've explained it better, but that was also my opinion, not a hard fact ._.
"If he were mafia..." is WIFOM. That stuff is best kept out of games of mafia.

[Meransiel]

First time I saw Elsa's observation about Scumhunter, top be perfectly honest, It felt like SHE was trying too hard. But this post doesn't feel right, and so I feel justified to:

Unvote

Vote: Scumhunter

That is L-1. If somebody quicklynches he will be considered scum. Don't do stupid things, people.

LOL one thing I notice about this site is there seems to be a "playbook" where there are rules about what is a towntell or what is scummy, etc. I usually just make my own decisions about what I think. Not everyone is cut out of the same cloth and I can't see looking at it that way.

Those playbooks are for...reaching common ground. Relying only on personal thoughts and tells is good for nightpicking someone as a PR, but not for convincing others to go for the right lynch.

[Staeg]

Also: Don't claim yet. I promise you won't be hammered until you do, but you can still wiggle out of the lynch without giving maf priceless info.
Don't get overdefensive -- just look for scumtells/scumslips and point them out.

[FireStorm]

Hmmm, I've read everything so far, and while I kinda want to vote Scumhunter for being scummy so far, I won't. That's only because I don't want to hammer when people still haven't seen the game.

[Meransiel]

Hmmm, I've read everything so far, and while I kinda want to vote Scumhunter for being scummy so far, I won't. That's only because I don't want to hammer when people still haven't seen the game.

We have plenty of time to go over everybody ho has posted, and for everyone to give content. Any premature hammer goes directly against what's beneficial for town. Plus, I'm not sure yet (and so should feel everybody on the wagon) he's scum, which is perfectly normal for Page 4.

[Staeg]

I'm not even remotely convinced he's scum. He's simply the scummiest player so far.

[Scumhunter]

I'm not scummy. You guys just play bad. Get it right. L-1 on page 4?

[Miss JJ]

I should've explained it better, but that was also my opinion, not a hard fact ._.
"If he were mafia..." is WIFOM. That stuff is best kept out of games of mafia.

"If he were mafia" is no different than "town read" or "scum read." How is it WIFOM? Again, sorry but I can't just keep my opinions out of the game because they are "supposed to be" according to the wiki. Maybe you disagree with my analysis but I'm not just going to conform to the cookie-cutter mantra of the mafiascum wiki. I would certainly think that players aren't going to form their posts to comply with how they think their role should act according to the wiki. If that were the case, it would be super easy to identify everyone.

[Scumhunter]

Staeg, I will admit I use a bit of appeal to emotion regardless of alignment. For some reason, people tend to think its a scumtell because they are so used to rote-analyzing "x= town, y= scum" without really thinking about why the actions they are interpreting are necessarily representations of anything. I think appeal to emotion is a great weapon for town-sided players that is underutilized. People just call it a scumtell because they are too bad to be able to read if its a townie actually trying to appeal to fellow townies or if its scum bullshitting. Other times, I try to joke around and be nice to people in games and it gets called "buddying, scumtell".

Personally, I like to generate my reads from reading interactions between players etc.

Anyways, I will claim if you guys want me to do, but really I shouldn't have to as I shouldn't be being voted in the first place.