Mini 1170: Nowhereville Mafia '11- Over!

[Elfen]

@ the kool, what forum did you come from??

[Espeonage]

Because he is. Kinda hard to explain. Combination of tone, content and my newbie gut.

[SleepyKrew]

Esp, why was your unvote directed at Elf?
I wasn't answering because I don't have an answer... That's a lot different than RVing and saying you're anti-RVS.
Also, I have experience off-site, if that helps your sanity :p
Why is he clear?
Why Kool and not one of the other two that basically the entire town is FoSing?

[Espeonage]

1. He had done enough to not claim. I was answering that.
2. But not answering when you can just makes it look really bad.
3. Makes me less happy about your lack of answers.
4. See my post above.
5. Well Kool is a good one to get out of the way as he has the potential to be a liability because he isn't very definite.

[Espeonage]

Btw. This may seen weird if you haven't played much but I've decided that I'm not even going to bother with scum hunting. Today is town hunting day.

[Elfen]

Btw. This may seen weird if you haven't played much but I've decided that I'm not even going to bother with scum hunting. Today is town hunting day.

What, didn't someone say that teh best way to hunt is the one who tries the hardest to be town and fit in?

[Espeonage]

?

[Espeonage]

There is no best way to hunt. Everyone does it differently.

[SleepyKrew]

1. He had done enough to not claim. I was answering that.
2. But not answering when you can just makes it look really bad.
3. Makes me less happy about your lack of answers.
4. See my post above.
5. Well Kool is a good one to get out of the way as he has the potential to be a liability because he isn't very definite.

1. My mistake, I thought you were voting someone else.
2. But I can't...
3. I enjoyed Town there, but the playstyle and culture was COMPLETELY different than here.
4. Yeah, I see it. And I don't like it.
5. Or you could agree with the rest of the town and lynch a anti-town townie or scum...?

This townhunting thing is BS. I have half a mind to vote Esp now... But it depends on Elf's flip.

[Espeonage]

That's all it takes. We now finally have discussion. What we had before was pure mush.

Ok, let's go. Agreeing with the rest of the town is seriously not a good thing to do. Can you see how much day we have left. Don't you think we should use it. Elfin is town accept it, move on to something else. Townhunting is certainly the better option here as it is going to be impossible to scum hunt as I will constantly find myself with too many options as everyone will be spurting an even flow of scum tells. Nothing against your play but this isn't going to be the kind of game where you will be able to differentiate people. Especially if you are prescribing to the town is doing it so i should to play style. That my friends is not how we do it on this site. Stand out on a limb, convince someone else of something they didn't see. That is how you play mafia.

Now let's get this wagon going if you really want to follow the leader and be a sheep, or do what a good townie would and make a case on someone else.

@ SK: That was originally at you but it can go to the whole town.

[SleepyKrew]

Your entire argument rests on two central points, neither of which is confirmed.
1. Elf is town.
2. Esp is town.
We have no proof of either.

[Espeonage]

Actually no. Even if I was scum Elfin would be town. Take a look at Elfin's iso. Especially look at the stuff just before I unvoted. Look at it with the mindset of he is a confirmed town. You should be able to then see the motivations which is what separates town from scum. He has town motivations thus he is town.

That is completely independent of my alignment.

[SleepyKrew]

Or he could be scum WIFOMing you into believing newbtown. If you want to "confirm town" on anyone else, it should be NeEvil or Kalofer.

[Elfen]

Dude, I dont even know what WIFOM means or how it works >_> no one has ever used or explained it on the games I have played

[Espeonage]

No no no. It's I could be scum trying to WIFOM myself some town cred from pointing out the obv townie before anyone else can.

Now can you vote Kool. We need at least an L-2 wagon within the next day.

PEDIT: WIFOM = Wine in front of me. There is a wiki page. It is one of the few wiki pages that is actually more accurate than someone actually explaining it to you.

[SleepyKrew]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Esp
Prove just how town you are.

[Elfen]

Wait the top part before the preedit, was that directed to me to vote?

[Espeonage]

Said Kool, not Esp. I can see how you could get them confused.

[Espeonage]

Part above pedit @ sk.
Part below pedit @ you.

[Elfen]

.. I read it, but i clearly do nto understand it >_> is there any game that you know of that you have played in that has a good example of this?? cause I am not getting a lot of it.

[Elfen]

IGMEOY: Cloud ocean, reason, you voted for me without reason.

[SleepyKrew]

I think he was using the same reasons as everyone else.

[Kalofer]

Seeing as I have nothing else to do I am just going to follow espeonage
UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Kool

[CooLskins]

I'm a going to fix the quote tags for my convince, no content has been changed.

Okay where to start with this, lets break this down.

Well to answer your question. No, I am against it.

Great, no problems what so ever. But after this it falls through with this:

I hate the idea of lynching some one(if the RVS is still on) and it always end up town and the person always seems town but other people some how think they are suspicious, I always think they are town.

1) No sane town lynches off of rvs. You will NEVER ever see it happen ever. The only reason a player who was wagoned in rvs will get lynched is if he responds badly under pressure.
2) Generalization. I can point to a game where the town wagoned me to l-1 in the confirmation stages and I was scum. Your chance of hitting on a truly random vote are 3/13 right now (again, assuming 3 man team, blah blah).
3) I don't know where you come from (no offence, you may have different mafia customs...) but people never really believe in early game reads. They will tell you otherwise to shake up the wagonee in order to get reaction.

1) To be honest, I feel lost and confused on day one >_> I really don’t know what goes on it it. And by the time its out of RVS half of the day is over(a week was the time so after 5 days after that’s when I reline and it is kind of to late to do anything.
2)okay?
3)But wouldn’t it be best to try to get more than one person than on one person? Unless some one else comes along and trys to defend that person(which is me right now I suspect)

That is why, on most of the games, I don't vote on the first day

This is anti-town and provided vig powers I would shoot you now. You should have

no

reluctance to vote for a player who is scummy on d-1 at all.

The point is I usually see no one as scum, but I most likely will since the day is longer.

it is way easer to find scum on the second day, looking back on what people have said and all. That is my style, waiting for information to pass by then go at it, not try to strive for it when I know I won't able to get it.

No argueing scum are found more on d-2 then on d-1 just by more information being available. But have you ever thought about where that information comes from? How do we have more information on d-1 then d-2? Well because people talk and bandwagon people that's why. And withholding your vote is in essence withholding information to a certain extent.

*sweat drops* >_> I know I know.. I really do need to change my ways.

Okay lets take part1...

1) To be honest, I feel lost and confused on day one >_> I really don’t know what goes on it it. And by the time its out of RVS half of the day is over(a week was the time so after 5 days after that’s when I reline and it is kind of to late to do anything.
2)okay?
3)But wouldn’t it be best to try to get more than one person than on one person? Unless some one else comes along and trys to defend that person(which is me right now I suspect)

1) This is most likely due to no fault of yours. Most likely you come from a place that has very short deadlines and where scum hunting isn't as encouraged. The the advice of the guy with 3d glasses on darthvader, play a good portion of a "noob" (trust me they are just as competitive as normals) game and read the wiki and you should be fine.
2)generalizations hurt the town. This is because they discourage discussion, scum hunting, etc. But it is a minor point.
3)I'm having some difficulty with your point #3. But from my understand you are saying that we should build up wagons correct? Well that's the point of rvs. And actually someone going over the top to defend a really silly point is a "Scum tell" so yeah...

The point is I usually see no one as scum, but I most likely will since the day is longer.

Again, you don't have to see anyone as scum to use your vote for town purposes. This may seem counter intuitive, but when you start to think about it it makes more sense. And naturally you will accumulate more reads later on.

*sweat drops* >_> I know I know.. I really do need to change my ways.

Its not a matter of changing your ways, its more about making the logical choice and thinking about the repercussions of your actions. This will improve over time. Look up any one of my games (this is CooLDoG) and you will see that I really suck (Go to mafia disscussion/forum 62 and ask anybody, except for a very select few). That's mainly due to me not see what my actions really mean. And with my self made "improvement project" I can already see my play develop and increase.

Esp, you mean the questions from RQS, before the RVS, which we are now out of? What's so scummy about my answers?
I make mod appear
Also:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elf
You're either a very anti-town townie or scum, and I'm down with lynching either. If a bw picks up on one of my FoSes, I'll gladly
change my vote.

Also, some friendly advice. Since you're new and not used to the way things work here, you should play at least one Newbie Game. Not just one day, but a significant part (if not the whole game). I know I'm a newbie too, but I'm not coming from a completely different culture like you are. GL in the future, and I hope to play you again.

Thanks, but since im 5/7 do i claim now.

also, wait nvm.

This isnt a themed game so the mod won't give false claims to the mafia.

And thanks

Okay, and why is this relevant if you are town? I find this to be a major slip. (stupid head again. I'm going to wait until he comes up and posts why he thinks kool is scummy...)

and the justification after the post, of course you

meant

to say it

I honestly don't know. I'd wait until L-1, but there might be a quickhammer before you claim. Defer to more experienced player.

Did you just claim Maf...? Also, you know Maf can make their own fakeclaim...?

And no problem

Oh, well I thought the mod gave them and no I am not claiming mafia. I was going to say i was iffy about claiming since mods give fake claims >_>

Still even if he did give out fake claims why wouldn't you still claim your real role? I'm just asking why would your claim change at all?

RQS questions

So wait a second. You are basing your votes off of questions that you asked to more or less kill time? Or are you just voting for the biggest wagon to try to get a townie lynched?

Also My join date (CooLDoG) is in 2009 so is Bub's. And I'm pretty sure you can infer by that that we are not fresh out of noob games...

[CooLskins]

Damn it! their was a 6th page? Bah, I just won't post about it right now and read it later.