Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Can anyone tell me anything about Magua as a player? Like is he a lot better known than I think he is because I had never seen his name mentioned before this game; has he played in any/several Vi games before? Any sort of information along those lines would be appreciated.

[ooba]

Your points are noted. I'd like to see what everyone has to say on the massclaim bit.

VP, what are your thoughts on DA and NS?

[VP Baltar]

@DDD - my main experience with Magua is from Percy's Stars Aligned II. He was a very good scum player there. He tends to focus on strategy as either alignment I think. I think he can be a strong player as either alignment, so his performance this game doesn't do much for me.

@ooba - I think both of them need to contribute a lot more. NS really hasn't done much of anything. I don't quite follow your AGM-hito-NS link, but I could see him as lurky scum regardless of that. DA was on quadz, but they were also kind of reluctant from what I recall. I need to read back over them from yesterday to see how genuine I think their play was. I will get back to you on that when I get a chance.

[Faraday]

Can anyone tell me anything about Magua as a player? Like is he a lot better known than I think he is because I had never seen his name mentioned before this game; has he played in any/several Vi games before? Any sort of information along those lines would be appreciated.

Very good player. Has played in Vi games before, but that's not where I know him from. Tends to look town regardless due to his posting style, I think. Funny guy too, if you're interested.

[Magua]

Can anyone tell me anything about Magua as a player? Like is he a lot better known than I think he is because I had never seen his name mentioned before this game; has he played in any/several Vi games before? Any sort of information along those lines would be appreciated.

I'm terrible. I only got into this game because Vi confused my name when I /in'ed with Magna's.

My games are on my wiki page -- the only other Vi game I've played was Mafia of the Chosen Ones

Magua, were you neighbors with Hito?

No. I'm not neighbors with anyone.

Fun fact the second: So I was wrong on the quadz-lynch-being-pushed-by-opportunistic scum. I was right that there's no way that quadz-scum would neighborize someone instead of doing something more productive with his time, like killing.

Looking over quadz's claim, I don't think the casts were faked; I think those were actually what he had available. Note that the kill is conditional -- it only works on Good players. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the scum kills are like that -- only usable on those of a certain alignment, who worship a certain domain, or who satisfy certain conditions (like Scumputer and the being-last-on-the-wagon). For reference, I have a kill-cast that's non-conditional -- I use it and the target dies. I think that's going to be one of the main differentiators between scum and town.

However, for the time being, this leads me to believe that massclaiming anything at this point is a bad idea.

Despite that, I'd like VP Baltar to claim his N2 action.

[VP Baltar]

Um, why exactly?

[ooba]

I was right that there's no way that quadz-scum would neighborize someone instead of doing something more productive with his time, like killing.

Split scum teams is an incentive to neighborize people you think are other scum.. Your thoughts on that theory?

[Magua]

Um, why exactly?

Because I want to see if you're going to lie about it.

[VP Baltar]

Implying you know my night action. Which, if you actually do have an insight into any potential action I took last night ( who I targeted, what action I used etc.) I'm unsure of why you're asking me to claim.

[VP Baltar]

Sorry, that's not entirely clear. If you have insight, you should know I'm town is what i"m saying.

[Magua]

Split scum teams is an incentive to neighborize people you think are other scum.. Your thoughts on that theory?

Split scum teams is doubtful. First, in the other Vi games with split scum teams, the teams were differentiated (Shadow Demons and Dark Demons, eg).

Second, how do you imagine that conversation goes? "Hi, neighbor! Um, this is kind of awkward, but...I'm scum. So...um...are you scum too?"

No, my guess is that quadz worshipped both nights.

Implying you know my night action. Which, if you actually do have an insight into any potential action I took last night ( who I targeted, what action I used etc.) I'm unsure of why you're asking me to claim.

Sorry, that's not entirely clear. If you have insight, you should know I'm town is what i"m saying.

Then why don't you let everyone else know how town you are too?

[VP Baltar]

Frankly, I don't think you have the sway to bully night actions. So, I suggest you give me a better reason than that brosef. How's about this, since you apparently do know my night action last night, give me a reason why you doubt it was a town action. If I think it's a legit doubt, I will claim my night action last night. Deal?

[Magua]

Frankly, I don't think you have the sway to bully night actions. So, I suggest you give me a better reason than that brosef. How's about this, since you apparently do know my night action last night, give me a reason why you doubt it was a town action. If I think it's a legit doubt, I will claim my night action last night. Deal?

I prefer my plan where you claim your night action, so I can tell if you're lying about it or not. I like that element of tension.

[VP Baltar]

Meh. I don't see the value in outting any potential power I have at this point. You get town members behind you (and by that I mean the people I've already named as sure town) and I'll fullclaim for all I care. Until then, i see the potential of keeping my role secret to potentially out scum. I'm biased of course, but I'm also operating on better info than you are.

[VP Baltar]

Additionally, I hope you realize that if I claim, you damn well better be prepared to full claim as well.

[Magua]

Additionally, I hope you realize that if I claim, you damn well better be prepared to full claim as well.

I don't want you to fullclaim. I want you to claim last night's action only. Not your casts, not your domains, not your alignment.

[VP Baltar]

Potentially putting a target on my back for a NK, therefore I'd rather full claim if info is coming out.

[Magua]

Potentially putting a target on my back for a NK

Stop it, you're turning me on.

[VP Baltar]

Like I said, get some town cred son, then get back to me.

[Magua]

Like I said, get some town cred son, then get back to me.

VOTE: VP Baltar

[VP Baltar]

lol

[MagnaofIllusion]

I don't really like his response to you admittedly though, but eh. it seems really weird to go through your post like that, just to try and discredit you though. am I missing something obvobvscum, cos fate/kats have called him scum too and they're obvtown, but I don't see it for the life of me.

1. Specifically what don’t you like about my presented opinions / response. Give me specifics (I know you love to!)
2. I’ve obvscum to VPB by suspecting him

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@MoI - lol, keep posting bro. Still not reading it and my vote is still there.

Yep, if you can’t actually show how I’m wrong the best thing to do is put your head in the sand.

[Demonic Angel]

LOL

LOLOLLOLOLL

HITOSCUM IS SO EASY TO READDDDDDDDDDD

VOTE: MOI

-Demon

[Demonic Angel]

THOUGH I don't see why scum would even have safe name-claims, unless there's obviously "scummy scummmers." I almost flattered myself into thinking High Priest/ess of Fate would be scum, <_< >_>

but realize I'm likely not in this game nor would it not make sense to just real name-claim me if going for a miller fake.

--- singersigner --- High Priestess of Fate, and a TIGER --- Embraced Destiny's Bond Night 2!

OH YOU VI

OH YOU

[Demonic Angel]

TEEHEHEHE

/ENDORSES MOI LYNCH