Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[RayFrost]

MoI: You mean I thought you were town when quadz had yet to flip and I thought he was town and felt you were seeing the same thing. And now that quadz has flipped scum I have a different opinion on the matter that makes me feel slightly suspicious of you. And that I also have reason to feel you are town listed in the same post. My read of you at this time is a solid null due to the conflicting evidence for both sides.

[ooba]

Magna's claim can be confirmed tonight - this part I mean:

2. Moderation – Any cast that takes more than 2 faith are blocked that Night.

N2 I used Moderation – my theory being that scum are more likely to have generated concentrated faith for themselves and thus were more likely to be benefited by large faith casts than Town.

I am pissed off at that action if you're town though ..

[RayFrost]

Also, I used an ability that cost four faith last night. It resolved just fine. Just caught up to the fact he's claiming to have use it last night.

Hence, MoI is lying or was RB'd by scum.

Vote: MoI

[RayFrost]

The above vote should indicate that I find the latter unlikely in comparison to the former.

[RayFrost]

I won't go into more depth as to the ability I used unless people want me to.

[ooba]

Also, I used an ability that cost four faith last night. It resolved just fine. Just caught up to the fact he's claiming to have use it last night.

Likewise, I used a cast>2 last night but will get to know if it resolves only tonight ..

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hence, MoI is lying or was RB'd by scum.

Vote: MoI

Anyone want to claim to have Role-blocked me last Night as Town?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Likewise, I used a cast>2 last night but will get to know if it resolves only tonight ..

Based on us sharing Balance as a Domain and my N1 and N2 Faith amounts I gambled that you wouldn't have strong enough Faith do use a big Faith ability. I understand your 'anger' but it was a calculated risk.

[VP Baltar]

hint, scum wouldn't have roleblocked you Magna. You be da scumz. Good effort at a last second push against me. You die today.

[AlmasterGM]

So RayFrost used an ability and it went through, but ooba had his action delayed?

So that means either 1) RayFrost was specifically roleblocked or 2) Magna is lying an his ability only targets specific people and/or groups of people.

Obviously leaning towards the latter ... what a fucking good fakeclaim, though. It's so obviously fake, but you can't help second-guess the fact that if Magna is town, we're about to hand scum-VPB 10 faith, which could be a huge swing. Given there are three scum down, though, I doubt it would be game over, soo....CHOO CHOOOOOO.

[ooba]

So RayFrost used an ability and it went through, but ooba had his action delayed?

So that means either 1) RayFrost was specifically roleblocked or 2) Magna is lying an his ability only targets specific people and/or groups of people.

Obviously leaning towards the latter ... what a fucking good fakeclaim, though. It's so obviously fake, but you can't help second-guess the fact that if Magna is town, we're about to hand scum-VPB 10 faith, which could be a huge swing. Given there are three scum down, though, I doubt it would be game over, soo....CHOO CHOOOOOO.

My action resultion by definition is delayed - it has nothing to do with Magna. Whether it actually happens tonight will depend on if he's telling the truth or not..

Also, the simple workaround to that is to have 2 sets of worship plans - one if Magna flips town and one if he flips scum. Obviously, in the former, VP gets nothing.

[AlmasterGM]

Oh, nevermind then. And good point about the worshipping.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Obviously leaning towards the latter ... what a fucking good fakeclaim, though. It's so obviously fake, but you can't help second-guess the fact that if Magna is town, we're about to hand scum-VPB 10 faith, which could be a huge swing. Given there are three scum down, though, I doubt it would be game over, soo....CHOO CHOOOOOO.

Ok .. AGM gets thrown in the scum pool also.

Because VPB is a Serial Killer and scum would have every reason to not power them up.

Meanwhile the fence-sitting on me "is obv-Fake, yet if it isn't I worry" is bad.

Also meanwhile note that AGM didn't blink an eye at VPB's claim which is so much more powerful than mine yet mine is obv-fake claim. Scum worried about their Top end powers being comprimised.

[MagnaofIllusion]

hint, scum wouldn't have roleblocked you Magna. You be da scumz. Good effort at a last second push against me. You die today.

It's ok VPB - when I flip Town you are going to hang as scum. Don't fight it .. the noose is coming sooner or later for you.

[VP Baltar]

well if you want to be derpy and think I'm the SK, that's cool. I have signed my own death warrant by claiming anyhow. I plan to be killed off by scum the same night I get my shots off, so it's no sweat off of my back.

[Magua]

Since I only need two worships for my double vig, I wouldn't mind having two v. likely town and the rest v. likely scum on my team. That way the scum are either forced to worship Solism or build more incriminating data against themselves. Thoughts?

Given VPB's faith requirements + battery power, it's probably safer to put scummy people on his team (he only needs to get 2 worshippers for 2 vig shots).

=P

VPB, decide whether you'd prefer the hypothetical doc protect or the hypothetical PGO and direct Seraphim appropriately.

2. Moderation – Any cast that takes more than 2 faith are blocked that Night.

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N2 I used Moderation – my theory being that scum are more likely to have generated concentrated faith for themselves and thus were more likely to be benefited by large faith casts than Town.

I'm going to assume from your phrasing that Moderation is a global effect that affects everyone? Ie, you do not target a specific player with it?

The problem I have with your claim is that there were *four* kills last night. That requires there to be *four* kills in the game that are factional in nature, or require two faith or less. I can see two factional kills (mafia, SK). I'm having a lot more trouble seeing two kills for two faith or less.

You seem to be concentrating entirely on VPB's claim, but not thinking about how or why there'd be these four kills with your effect going off. What's your theory for all the kills?

[VP Baltar]

re: PGO - If seraphim is reasonably certain he can target me with that, I'd take it. Scum may have an unblockable kill ability or something that can pierce doc protects, but they are unlikely to risk targeting me if they think they're going to eat one in return.

[RayFrost]

I know for a fact mine resolved. Like 100% confirmed. It happened.

I was going to say "if anybody wants me to claim ask" but I really wanna claim what I did last night.

[RayFrost]

This is the part where people say whether they think it's a good idea.

[VP Baltar]

NO, don't claim. we've had too much come out today and we may need some aces in the hole later. It's not necessary for you to claim.

[RayFrost]

Mmmkay then. Moving right along: go-go MoI lynch.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm going to assume from your phrasing that Moderation is a global effect that affects everyone? Ie, you do not target a specific player with it?

The problem I have with your claim is that there were *four* kills last night. That requires there to be *four* kills in the game that are factional in nature, or require two faith or less. I can see two factional kills (mafia, SK). I'm having a lot more trouble seeing two kills for two faith or less.

You seem to be concentrating entirely on VPB's claim, but not thinking about how or why there'd be these four kills with your effect going off. What's your theory for all the kills?

Yes, Moderation is global. It affects everyone universally.

Yes there were four kills. We had three kills the Night before. There's a limit to the amount of speculation I can make about why there are four kills in context of my Ability usage. It's possible that there are multiple Vig casts that take 2 or less Faith. It's possible that we have a non-cast Vig out there also.

Another possibility is that I was specifically Role-blocked N2. Rayfrost, if he isn't lying, seems to support this. Not much I can say other than once I flip you know I have zero reason to lie about my actions and thus you have solid confirmation of a Scum role-blocker who likely isn't Faith driven.

As for focusing on VPB - his claim is what drove my claim so of course I'm going to focus on the aspect that I think conflict. If I was role-blocked and wrong about him being a SK so be it. I'm working with the information I have.

BTW, I'm True Neutral so no claims of blocking any other flavor of alignment (Law, Chaos, Evil, Good) are valid when assessing claims about blocking me.

[VP Baltar]

grr, now that I'm thinking of it, I could see a town player blocking MoI after his shittiness on the quadz lynch. Bleh. He might be telling the truth. Maybe we should lynch Plum today.

[Parama]

Whoa, it kinda looks like MoI is flailing from what I've

read

skimmed.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Whoa, it kinda looks like MoI is flailing from what I've

read

skimmed.

No, flailing is what you did D1 in regards to Magua calling you scum. Go back and look at your ISO and you'll get a good idea what flailing looks like.