Battle for Olympus - Game Over!

[AurorusVox]

Chess is pretty obvTown. I dunno why everyone's crying about it :\

Gandalf, you've played enough with Chess to know that he claims to be unmeta-able. Why are you trying to meta him here?

[MagnaofIllusion]

My super is funny
when I die, everyone I rbed gets rbed for the next two nights

so i'll be Rbing MoI tonight

On the one hand I’d almost rather you be lynched instead of Conspircy based on this claim as you’ve only had 1 Night to make you typical horrible decisions if you aren’t scum.

But I know this is just your typical trolling. And its funny because you seem to have the mis-conception that I need any sort of Night actions to be effective.

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Chronopie’s

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is bad. After the observations previously about his play this is further active lurking fodder (says ‘The plot thickens’ with no comment at all on who is scum among the three). He gets slotted on my ‘Kill before LYLO’ also now based on his play.

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Iecerint instead of AGM please.

@Magna: Why AGM on that list?

Let’s engage our thinking caps, shall we? If Conspiracy is Town then we should have a fairly good idea when AV flips Scum that AGM is likely Town.

1. His behavior around AV’s claim is consistent with a Town Doctor.
2. No counter-claim of any sort.

If AGM is Town making the Doctor Night-kill immune for a Night is Win on Epic levels.

We likely lost our Vig in diddin so AGM scum (if AV flips Doc) isn’t going to die overnight anyway so giving him a Night of immunity is a risk I’m willing to take. We can certainly hang him tomorrow in this scenario.

If you both want Iec (for ‘double protection’ ) on the list I’d say we need to shift Shadow or AGar off. At this juncture AGar would be my choice.

And Conspiracy is likely not Town anyway so having him fake protecting AGM isn’t going to do anything in that case.

@CONSPIRACY

– Revise the super use to Iec, AGM and Shadow / AGar if you are Town.

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I disagree on the "Let's lynch CK if Cons is town" chain lynching by Magna.

You need to provide a reason why then. Do you realistically think that there are three Town aligned Role-blocking roles in this game? If not you need to explain why Chesskid isn’t a logical lynch if Conspiracy does flip Town.

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now i'm baffled. is this chess claiming scum?!?

Perhaps. It’s certainly him claiming butt-hurt Troll.

[ooba]

Magna, the reasoning on keeping AGM on the list there is sound enough. Conspiracy, if you're town, make it so.

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Well part of the reason why I think three RB roles would be good is that, a week back I made an experimental setup with three anti town factions [1 SK plus an even\odd night killing scum team] + vig and a doc, 2 RBs and 1 JK. Just because it is anti-meta doesn't mean its not possible. I certainly wouldn't call it a logical leap from "Conspiracy town" -> "Chess scum".

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well part of the reason why I think three RB roles would be good is that, a week back I made an experimental setup with three anti town factions [1 SK plus an even\odd night killing scum team] + vig and a doc, 2 RBs and 1 JK. Just because it is anti-meta doesn't mean its not possible. I certainly wouldn't call it a logical leap from "Conspiracy town" -> "Chess scum".

I disagree. You're using a self-described experimental setup you specifically concocted as evidence when the mass majority of games actually run here on MS, be they single or mutli-scum, do not have two Town role-blockers, much less three.

Is it completely out of the question? Of course not. But the simpler conclusion is that at least one of the three is scum. Mafia is about taking calculated risks. I think the risk of hanging Chess and him turning up Town if Conspiracy flips Town is minimal compared to the risk of not lynching him and having Chess turn out to be scum.

Question

- can you give me reasons based on Dayplay why you think Chess absolutely can't be scum if Conspiracy flips Town?

[Shadow Dancer]

Concerning town Cons super protection:
I agree with AGM being protected. AGM can care for Iec then. AGar is also set. 3rd one would be me. But I would volunteer to be off the list when in doubt, simply because my normal is rather mediocre and I'll likely end up with little information left to claim that would be helpful for town...
Only magna should obviously not be protected. His hated townie status should take care of him when it come to NKs.
I suggest Cons consideres carefully and uses his super now.

[Iecerint]

I was operating on the assumption that everyone has some kind of power...I guess he could only have a Passive or something, though...fair enough...

[AurorusVox]

Vote: ConSpiracy

[AurorusVox]

Derp

Unvote; Vote: ConSpiracy

[MagnaofIllusion]

Someone out there needs to vote AV just to keep him above the pack so he doesn't skip out on the lynch.

[Iecerint]

Hey, isn't ConS's super kind of the same as what AGM claimed, albeit framed differently?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey, isn't ConS's super kind of the same as what AGM claimed, albeit framed differently?

Not that I can see.

AGM claims his Super Target will be protected from the next 3 Nightkills.

Consp claim his Super will protect three players from any action the following Night.

[Iecerint]

Oh, I misread Consp's a little. OK.

[chesskid3]

Unvote

Vote: AV

[ooba]

Question - can you give me reasons based on Dayplay why you think Chess absolutely can't be scum if Conspiracy flips Town?

Yes. Who is chess scum with then? He's been dogging Chrono, LC for the most part of the game. Only AGM as a partner is a possibility.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yes. Who is chess scum with then? He's been dogging Chrono, LC for the most part of the game. Only AGM as a partner is a possibility.

Whut? You are jumping directly to Partnership pairings?

1. Why can't he be distancing the hell out of either Chrono or LC?
2. There are more players on the list still alive aside from those three and AV. Why is your Partner speculation restricted to them? Where is Axelrod on this list? Gemini? Gandalf? Me?

At this point I don't want to get into a big conflict about this. Conspiracy's flip needs to happen before I really go digging into Chess's ISO.

[gandalf5166]

Chess is pretty obvTown. I dunno why everyone's crying about it :\

Gandalf, you've played enough with Chess to know that he claims to be unmeta-able. Why are you trying to meta him here?

Because he ISNT unmeta-able.

[gandalf5166]

Someone out there needs to vote AV just to keep him above the pack so he doesn't skip out on the lynch.

Would if I could.

[Iecerint]

It's not clear how earnest CK's Chrono/LC attacks have been, anyway, since neither of those players have been under much scrutiny.

Best CK towntell I can think of was D1 when he thought BS was a mislynch pretty aggressively. That seemed real to me, and I remember thinking the same thing. Could've just thought the lynch didn't need his help, etc.

[ooba]

Yes. Who is chess scum with then? He's been dogging Chrono, LC for the most part of the game. Only AGM as a partner is a possibility.

Whut? You are jumping directly to Partnership pairings?

1. Why can't he be distancing the hell out of either Chrono or LC?
2. There are more players on the list still alive aside from those three and AV. Why is your Partner speculation restricted to them? Where is Axelrod on this list? Gemini? Gandalf? Me?

At this point I don't want to get into a big conflict about this. Conspiracy's flip needs to happen before I really go digging into Chess's ISO.

I always think of a game in terms of linkages ..
1. Too genuine to be distancing
2. Axel = Gemini = Town. I've also put you down to probable town based on claim. Gandalf play post BS power usage = Town.

I also agree that a Conspiracy flip will help my reads ..

[Shadow Dancer]

How can you even tell if Chess' blabla is genuine?

[Axelrod]

I was going to do a thing on Chronopie, but see Conspiracy has claimed.

It's pretty bad.

I know this is not exactly breaking news.

If the only argument in your favor is "Why would scum Conspiracy claim to have RBed AGar when only a scum would have attempted to RB AGar," well, it's pretty bad. Chesskids RB ability makes it slightly worse looking, but I wouldn't just say "this is too many RBers" and use that as the reason. Basically, Mothrax was pretty scummy, Conspiracy hasn't said anything to change that, and the claim didn't help.

I'm good with those 2.

I'll still post a thing on Chronopie a little later, just to get it out there.

[ConSpiracy]

Color is light blue.

ConSpiracy -- Is there any chance that you were redirected/etc.?

Well, I am not action immune or anything...

The way I am reading this you select three players and anyone who targets those three will fail, correct?

If you are Town then please confirm that you will use this Super before you are lynched on the following 3 players – AGM, Shadow and AGar.

Not alma. He still is a scumread of mine. I did Agar, Iece and ooba. <- My three top town reads.

Can I vote Aurorus? (or myself, if I have to)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Not alma. He still is a scumread of mine. I did Agar, Iece and ooba. <- My three top town reads.

Can I vote Aurorus? (or myself, if I have to)

If you are Town you need to set aside your read and do it on AGM. He's a claimed Doc. No reason to not take a chance on protecting him from kills tonight when there is little downside if he is scum (as I have outlined).

Yeah, voting AV at this juncture is fine as long as you submit your Super.

[Iecerint]

I'd say the chances of AGM being killed tonight are pretty low. My result on him is mislynch bait pending future results if he's town.

w/e tho

[ooba]

Color is light blue.

Ok - this doesn't gel with whatever color theory I had - much more confident in this lynch now ..