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MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:45 am

Magua wrote:
Tell me the gameplan for VPB claiming as SK. Tell me how this gets to him winning.

It doesn't. Does the fact that he was VERY reluctant to do so and you had to continually hammer on him based on your role information not play into your thought process at all?

VPB did everything to not claim earlier today. Pretty much plain as Day. Your unspoken role information put him in a VERY hard spot.

sottyrulez · Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:47 am

Even if VP is an SK, I'm not seeing a path to victory for him. It's not something I'm concerned about today.

ooba · Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:47 am

The jump from three to four kills is because of VP's extra kill from the cast on N2. Couldn't do it on N1 cause he didn't have the faith.

MagnaofIllusion wrote:
ooba wrote:Magna is a tiger, VP is SK.

Well, you are at least half wrong on that. And I don't think the VPB is SK half is incorrect.

VP is telling the truth about that kill - and I'm guessing the cast power too. While scum roleblocking you is possible, I'd rather stick to the simpler explanation that you're lying given it matches my earlier reads too.

Magua wrote:Tell me the gameplan for VPB claiming as SK. Tell me how this gets to him winning.

Alternate win con: Cast of 7 power - win the game. (or) In other words, get 2 people to worship Solism and you win. I'm not advocating we lynch VP, I am advocating we not boost him (at least with Solism) - that is why I am checking if someone else has that.

P-edit: Magna's reasons are ok but I'll stick with the above.

VP Baltar · Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:50 am

MoI wrote:VPB did everything to not claim earlier today. Pretty much plain as Day. Your unspoken role information put him in a VERY hard spot.

Trust me, I had way more pull than Magua at that time and had I not wanted to claim to get it out of the way, I'm sure I could have gotten away with not doing it. Additionally, I had NO REASON to full claim. Like I said before, you had better be scum because your play is simply terrible otherwise.

@ooba - what does it matter what domain you boost of mine? Any domain you have gives you faith. Also, Vi would never put an ability in the game where you auto win by casting it. Jesus.

Magua · Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:54 am

@Sottyrulez:

Is singersigner worshipped Justice the only information you have?

ooba wrote:Oh and Plum is town.

Agreed.

MagnaofIllusion wrote:Do either Furcolow or Yosarian seem like players with likely Hider / Weak Doctor roles to you? I’ve been mulling over the jump from 3 kills to 4 last Night and that’s the one element I can come up with to answer the swing.

I know who my slot is, and I still don't get how the abilities line up. So I don't think any sort of speculation about what sorts of effects the dead might have is worthwhile.

ooba wrote:Alternate win con: Cast of 7 power - win the game. (or) In other words, get 2 people to worship Solism and you win.

No. Just, no.

ooba wrote:I'm not advocating we lynch VP, I am advocating we not boost him (at least with Solism) - that is why I am checking if someone else has that.

Fine with this part.

VP Baltar wrote:Unvote, Vote: Plum

More confident that she's scum than MoI now.

No. Just, no.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:54 am

VP Baltar wrote:Like I said before, you had better be scum because your play is simply terrible otherwise.

Yeah, this is funny. I'm just going to assume you are a SK. Your rhetoric, reaction to light pressue and attitude fit much better with scum flying solo than Vig.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:56 am

Magua wrote:
I know who my slot is, and I still don't get how the abilities line up. So I don't think any sort of speculation about what sorts of effects the dead might have is worthwhile.

But set-up speculation about the number of casts in a PM is much more likely to be useful.

ooba · Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:57 am

VP Baltar wrote:@ooba - what does it matter what domain you boost of mine? Any domain you have gives you faith. Also, Vi would never put an ability in the game where you auto win by casting it. Jesus.

The real question is why does it matter to you so much that we stick to "Solism"?? Why haven't you even claimed the other domain - you're usually more proactive when you ask different people "Do you think I should claim this?" ..

An SK who has the alternate win condition of manipulating the town to get extra faith (or "Worship him") sounds reasonable.

VP Baltar · Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:59 am

I explained why I didn't claim my other domain. But regardless, to end this pointless debate, I will. My other domain is Will, which is also a character trait of ABR.

VP Baltar · Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:02 am

@Magua - Seriously, Plum is scum here. Listen to Sottyrulez if you don't trust my judgement.

Plum · Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:02 am

VP Baltar wrote:
ooba wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:@Seraphim - can you make sure your PGO ability would be active on me the same night you grant it. Want to make sure.
VP sets up a reason for his being alive tomorrow.

Magna is a tiger, VP is SK.

Ah no, the point is for me to live so I can shoot the following night. AFter that I don't give a shit if I die. It's critical I live through tonight though.

Unvote, Vote: Plum

More confident that she's scum than MoI now.

You do that. Now please answer the damn question: why Worship one of your own Domains Night 0?

Parama · Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:03 am

I am not the solism.

VP Baltar · Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:06 am

Plum wrote:why Worship one of your own Domains Night 0?

So I could vig obv? Why wouldn't I worship my own domain N0? Should I have randomly worshipped another domain and hoped someone from the town had it? Continue not making sense

Magua · Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:07 am

MagnaofIllusion wrote:But set-up speculation about the number of casts in a PM is much more likely to be useful.

1) 1 of the 3 points I had against you. The other two, you may note, did not involve setup speculation in any way.

2) Disprovable (and has been disproven). No way to prove or disprove the abilities of dead players.

VP Baltar wrote:@Magua - Seriously, Plum is scum here. Listen to Sottyrulez if you don't trust my judgement.

Sotty's given me no reason to trust them. I trust you more than I trust them. I just disagree with you.

sottyrulez · Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:10 am

Magua wrote:
@Sottyrulez:
Is singersigner worshipped Justice the only information you have?

Yes.

Plum · Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:11 am

VPB: Yeah. Except if you Worshipped Night 0 you

couldn't

Cast Night 1. The Faith you put into your own Domain through Worshipping wouldn't benefit you at all. And the general Town assumption would be that if a Townie has known Domains, it's slightly less likely that the Domain would be shared with a greater Townie:scum ratio for use Night 1 as opposed to Worshipping any other Domain.

Vi wrote:
You may only Cast N1 if you do not Worship N0.

Something doesn't line up here, bro.

ooba · Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:11 am

VP Baltar wrote:
Plum wrote:why Worship one of your own Domains Night 0?

So I could vig obv?
Why wouldn't I worship my own domain N0? Should I have randomly worshipped another domain and hoped someone from the town had it? Continue not making sense

.. Scum caught ..

Magua · Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:14 am

Oh, for fuck's sake.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:17 am

Magua wrote:1) 1 of the 3 points I had against you. The other two, you may note, did not involve setup speculation in any way.

2) Disprovable (and has been disproven). No way to prove or disprove the abilities of dead players.

1. I understand. My point is clearly it’s a pretty flimsy double standard to have when you can use set-up speculation yourself but immediately dismiss others doing the same.
2. Actually with 5 Faith I can confirm the abilities of any dead player once. But of course since you think I’m scum you are going to dismiss that out-of-hand.

--

@VPB

– Who did you kill N1? Just curious. My guess is Duplicity.

VP Baltar · Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:19 am

meh, so I messed up with my N0 action. Regardless, I still killed scum and I'm still town. If another person vigged hito, I'm sure they would have countered me, yeah?

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:21 am

VP Baltar wrote:meh, so I messed up with my N0 action. Regardless, I still killed scum and I'm still town. If another person vigged hito, I'm sure they would have countered me, yeah?

Lulz ... I got caught screwing up my claimed actions. Wait ... I don't want to correct them. I killed a Mafia so I can't possibly be a Serial Killer.

Just believe me.

DIE SK DIE!!!

ooba · Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:22 am

VP Baltar wrote:meh, so I messed up with my N0 action.
Regardless, I still killed scum and I'm still town.
If another person vigged hito, I'm sure they would have countered me, yeah?

Right you're not a tiger .. Doesn't mean you're not scum ...

VP Baltar · Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:25 am

I don't care if you think I'm the SK, frankly. Nor have I ever. Still doesn't make any sense to lynch me over Tigers today. Once I shoot tiger and/or SK tomorrow, you can lynch me for all I care. So you can herp a derp all you want over a messed up night action, I'm still not getting lynched today. Doesn't that just eat you up inside.

sottyrulez · Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:25 am

Scum would want VP's role eliminated as soon as possible regardless of being town or SK at this point, they can't afford to have him killing as many times as he claims he can. If VP is lying SK playing to a wincon that is contrary to any town plan, it will very quickly become apparent to the town and VP likely won't make it through an endgame situation.

Even entertaining the notion of lynching VP today is something incredibly stupid that only scum would support.

ooba · Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 8:27 am

VP Baltar wrote:I don't care if you think I'm the SK, frankly. Nor have I ever. Still doesn't make any sense to lynch me over Tigers today. Once I shoot tiger and/or SK tomorrow, you can lynch me for all I care. So you can herp a derp all you want over a messed up night action, I'm still not getting lynched today. Doesn't that just eat you up inside.

True. Not lynching you today. Magna first, then you.

But I oppose any plan to boost either Solism or Will in anyway today.