New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[nhammen]

Zepher - In this post I kinda feel he left himself a bit too much wriggling room on Silverbullet. Even though he did express suspicion of Subzero. Hmm :/

This is completely false. Are you really telling me that my questions to you and max are me just dancing in the air having a good ol time?

Are you attempting to say you were scumhunting me?

What kind of shitty town are you to not want to pursue someone you think is scum unless your scum and... oh... now it makes sense.

Which is exactly what he did early game when he found a slight suspicion on Subzero and done nothing to pursue the suspicion or others.
He acted like mafia according to his own scumtell.


Posts like these always make me feel a bit uneasy. Mafia can uncommitally state this and wait to see what direction the town will go and then vote.
This vote then happened afterwards. I think Silver was on 5 at the time.

These are all good points that you bring up. This is good scumhunting, and seems to imply a town mindset.

I just think it's interesting how 2 suspected likely scum are currently on the Mastin wagon but

everyone else is still arguing over 50/50 scum/town

I think there are more scum pushing for a Silver/Sub lynch then other, sense-making lynches.

1) Why is Nobody Special likely scum?
2) You think at least one of Silver and Subzero is mafia? Why are'nt you voting or giving any thoughts at all on them then?
3) What "other sense-making lynches?" You stated your suspects it was Subzero and Amor. The latter being mostly gut?

Yeah. Zepher is such scum for 2 and 3. But point 1 should be obvious. Multiple people have posted cases against NS.

Subzero- Read post 279, that is my reason for voting silver. The reason I say silver has some innocence within him, say 40-60% is because other people have way different reasons. Usually, people's reasons for voting someone scummy are kind of the same (meaning they did something really really scummy) or their are multiple reasons (meaning they did many scummy things). Yet, the reasoning on silver, are mumbo-jumbo, all different and jumpy jumpy, get what I'm saying?

No. That doesn't make any sense. And having multiple reasons makes him more likely to be scum, not less.

Noticed something from Vote Count. Mastin and Silver cannot be scumbuddies. Mastin's meta and obsession with VCA would not allow him to be on the secondary wagon with a buddy. If/when SIlver flips scum, Mastin is confirmed Town in my eyes.

Amazing point! I hadn't noticed that! And you are quite right.

This

is how you use meta and combine it with VCA.

Also with the Silver wiggling room thing, that was my roundabout way of saying I'm not really sure on my read.
I want to think Silver is town, yes, but there are doubts. Hence why there's room for that to change. Make sense?

It makes sense from a scum perspective yes. Did you really just say that you are intentionally leaving yourself a way out of the wagon?

-Max
Are the quoted posts of me directed to me? I'll answer if you'd like but I wasn't sure.

How does scum nhammen post?

Well normally he's really lurky and barely posts in the first few days. The posts he does make are normally short as well.

I'm not saying Nhammen is town he needs to live forever and ever. But he reads as town for me for now.

Ummm... I didn't think I was making short posts in TWBB. So is this bullshit reasoning, or something else?

You don't see how "I'm voting for this person but I'm not sure if they're scum or town" isn't scummy? Your whole "sheep" schtick seems designed to allow you to hop on whatever wagon will get you a lynch without having to take responsibility for it afterwards. And the mindset you're referring to is being pro-town, you should try it sometime.

Who are the scum filling Silver's wagon? DK and KOC?

Them and maybe Pine. You and Mastin are right to say that it could be bussing, but I don't really get that vibe -- it seems like if they were bussing they would be making more forceful cases for town cred. In particular I don't think DK would be doing his "I'm just following the crowd" thing if he knew Silver would flip scum.

This is goodposting. In particular, the last sentence is well thought out. This means it is either silver or DK that is scum, but not both. However, this does not kill the Sub and silver bussing argument that mastin advocates. If you assume that Sub is scum, then this does look a lot like bussing.

[nhammen]

List of those I think are Scum: silver, Zepher and Deity (but not both silver and Deity, as per last post)
List of those I Suspect: Amor, KoC, NS, and mastin
List of those I think are Town: Wraith, Subzero, Pine, and Maxous

Toon could be on my Town list, but I don't think dumb town goes there unless you are fairly sure, and I'm not that sure.

The rest are null.

[Pine]

^Also not Silver and mastin

[Pine]

^Hmm. Worded awkwardly. Just reminding you that Silver and mastin cannot be scum together.

[silverbullet999]

-nham

Ummm... I didn't think I was making short posts in TWBB. So is this bullshit reasoning, or something else?

Late game you made short posts and *looks back* eh you did have walls but i don't remember them (guess I just ignored them?). Since your doing exactly what you did in TWBB, are you more or less claiming scum? Also don't worry you lost the town read you had from me anyway.

[silverbullet999]

-Zeph

Gimme a bit to make a real post w/ vote.

Glad this happened....

[Knight of Cydonia]

@Silver - posts 5, 6 and 11 from his ISO.

Also:

My one scum read is you,
I highly suspect Pine and Nhammen, and slightly suspect the rest of my wagon.

I also will throw Nobody Special in the highly suspect list because him being lurky as all hell is normally Nobody Special Scum though he normally does terribad posting as scum as well... and will probably eventually do so.

FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL I SUSPECT EVERYONE ON MY WAGON ALSO NS FLAILFLAIL HOW CAN I GET RID OF THIS WAGON QUICKLY

[nhammen]

You don't have enough reasoning to constitute a vote, but a vote not out is a vote not gathering information (I think I said this earlier to KoC). If there are scum pushing for a Silver/me lynch over better lynches, then why not use your vote to push one of those better lynches? Does. Not. Compute.

This.

@Amor

here

Hey, Sub and Silver might be town and all, I think I'll hop onto DK, I'll also ding Mastin for setting up chain lynches but than also suggest he might be right. Go Mastin, go!

Bwuh? Yeah, I want you dead.

Maybe I should have Amor back on my scum list after all.

List of those I think are Scum: Sub
List of those I Suspect: Nhammen (explained below) Pine, and slightly the rest of my wagon
List of those I think are Town: -----

So you are saying that you are suspicious of everyone on your wagon, and not suspicious of everyone not on your wagon?

why didn't you respond to the point that is the first quote in this post of mine?

Cause it's a wall and i missed it cause i skimmed it.
It's not the fact that he explains his vote that I found slightly scummy. It's that he kept basically saying "yeah this vote is slightly better than rvs etc"

Ummm... because it was? I don't get why you had a problem with this.

FALSE! He said that the fact that you were forcing him to answer pointless questions was what was scummy. Although, there is no such thing as pointless questions, so I disagree with this part of the case. But, the fact that you are twisting this like this is pretty scummy.

Incorrect sir (he loses his town read from this)
Here's the quote
"Fun fact: the questions were pretty dumb and

my answering them only points to how scummy you are. I didn't even feel them worth responding to but fine

."
Please read and reread bolded, please further read his response when I told him my thoughts on it...
"They were minute and pointless. It isn't as if I don't have enough reason to think you're scum."
There's no misinterpretation or twisting here mister.

Ummm... if you can't tell motivation from such phrases as "but fine", you really need to learn modern idioms. It was obvious (at least to me) that there was an implied "because you wont let it go" in his statement. That's what "but fine" means. SO that's what made it scummy. However, as I said before, forcing someone to answer questions isn't scummy. Dropping everything else while waiting for an answer is.

I would like everyone to take a look at this post and this post. What is NS doing? Modding a new game and joining a VERY COMPLICATED theme game. What's he not doing? Playing this game. Lurking scum, good for lynching possibly tomorrow.

I see some of the points against Amor, but we've got bigger fishes to fry. I'll look at the cases against him in more detail tomorrow. Scummy, but lower on the priority list.

Agree with these two points.

^Stop trying to get into things when I'm still waiting for responses... jesus^

You really need to die day 2

So now, not only can you not scumhunt while waiting for answers, but nobody else is allowed to either? How can you claim not to be scum?

Walls of realization thanks to nhammen. You're completely right.
Well for the most part; I think you're misunderstanding a couple things, but I need to change the way I'm approaching this game.

Gimme a bit to make a real post w/ vote.

OK, well. Either this is scum trying to fit in better, in which case we can get better reads, or this is town that is about to play a higher quality game. Either way, this can only be a good thing.

I also will throw Nobody Special in the highly suspect list because him being lurky as all hell is normally Nobody Special Scum though he normally does terribad posting as scum as well... and will probably eventually do so.

Deity wins some points for flip flopping me going "Eh you could be town or scum but I think town wants this so I'm gonna vote you" to then changing his opinion somewhere to "Silver is scum"

These are good points. When you get your head out of your OMGUS, you can actually think coherently. The fact that it took so long drives me to believe that this is faked, but at least it is effort.

^Also not Silver and mastin

Good point. Silver's flip should give us quite a bit of information. Hmmm... well, it seems that some people believe that silver being scum would implicate mastin. However, the wagon argument is a good one, so I disagree with this.

[nhammen]

I mean I disagree with the scum silver implies scum mastin, in case it wasn't clear.

[silverbullet999]

-Koc

@Silver - posts 5, 6 and 11 from his ISO.

Read them, and it's more him just saying, post better or I don't agree with this point and here's why. You don't really seem to say anything else about it so eh

FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL I SUSPECT EVERYONE ON MY WAGON ALSO NS FLAILFLAIL HOW CAN I GET RID OF THIS WAGON QUICKLY

Lol way to exaggerate the word slightly, I know there's scum on my wagon, I think it's those I suspect the most but I could be wrong. I'd be willing to bet $100 that my wagon is not pure town.

I also never understood this point or why it's "justified" am I really scaring anyone with saying this? Are you scared by me saying this?

-nham

So you are saying that you are suspicious of everyone on your wagon, and not suspicious of everyone not on your wagon?

Read above

Ummm... because it was? I don't get why you had a problem with this.

He made it a point to point it out. He didn't need to, it was implied. I said this before, it was a slight suspicion that had me decide to take a closer look at him.

Ummm... if you can't tell motivation from such phrases as "but fine", you really need to learn modern idioms. It was obvious (at least to me) that there was an implied "because you wont let it go" in his statement. That's what "but fine" means. SO that's what made it scummy. However, as I said before, forcing someone to answer questions isn't scummy. Dropping everything else while waiting for an answer is.

Wtf? He responded to it agreeing with my full fledged statement. How the hell am i misrepping him when he even agrees. This is really reminding me of your case on emp (he pretends to have reasons for joining the wagon but it all really doesn't make sense if you look at it closely)...

So now, not only can you not scumhunt while waiting for answers, but nobody else is allowed to either? How can you claim not to be scum?

What does this have to do with any of what I said? MISREP MORE PLEASE! How am I saying, "NOONE ELSE SCUM HUNT!". Sub was referring to you referring to me not wanting to comment about the three comments that I said i found interesting but didn't want to comment on, (I find it odd that three people literally repeated eachother, and knight seems paranoid as all hell for one reason or another, explaining now since knight just answered).

Nham's my new number 1, sub's still there but christ these recent posts of ham's are terribad.
VOTE: nham

[Wraith]

Sorry I had to be prodded. Time flies when you're not having fun.

Anyways, I do not and will not support the silver lynch.

However, he'll probably get lynched anyways since deadline is tomorrow, so if I ever get a moment of quiet around this fucking house I'll try to do a re-read with hunting based on his flip.

[silverbullet999]

-KoC

FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL I SUSPECT EVERYONE ON MY WAGON ALSO NS FLAILFLAIL HOW CAN I GET RID OF THIS WAGON QUICKLY

Wait how does me suspecting NS... get rid of my wagon?

[Maxous]

If we have a Vig (or Sk who wishes to be thought of as such) I will give sloppy kisses for a DK kill.

If somebody vigs or mislynches obvtown DK I will not be amused.
The same applies for Pine.

Mastin's refusal to help with Silver's inevitable lynch is major scumpoints if Silver flips Town.

I agree
Stregthened by Mastin's "I was'nt expecting that response" in the next post.

List of those I Suspect: Nhammen (explained below) Pine, and slightly the rest of my wagon

=====[]

Toon fighter - Explain this please.
What changed your mind?

Yeah getting real bad vibes from Mastin.

RE: Lynching Nobody Special - Not really a good idea. Ask him to put the time into the game or replace out.
The problem with lynching somebody who has lurked like that is, if he flips town we gain minimal information out of his lynch and it's basically a waste.

Not sure what to make of this. :/ Emm hmm..I'll see what he says.

[mastin2]

Hey, guys?

Guess what?

I investigated Silver as innocent during the day!
Yes this is a serious claim of using a daycop ability.

Now get off that wagon, 'kay?

[Maxous]

Shit

Unvote

VOTE: Toon Fighter

Willing for Amor either.

[mastin2]

I am not willing to vote for Toon.
He's one of my surprising town-reads.

I AM willing to go on Amor, under ONE condition:

If Amor flips town, lynch Thor

.

If people agree, then they have my support.
Otherwise, it's still SubzeroSith for me.

Just not Silver.

[Pine]

UNVOTE: Silver
VOTE: SubZeroSith
Bah. I don't have time to fully consider the ramifications of this.

I do note that this use of a claimed cop power is in

direct

contradiction to mastin's article about cops, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that he'd fakeclaim as scum. Town gambit on a strong gut read, maybe. Have to think about this. Looks like we're headed for a no-lynch.

[Maxous]

Bah, fine

Unvote

VOTE: Amor

We'll talk about Toon Fighter on day 2.
I really wish this was'nt left so late

[Toon Fighter]

The fact that the day was ending fast and my vote was being useless on SubSith. I have every intention of seeing him die, though, depending on silverbullet's flip.

[Toon Fighter]

just read mastins post,

unvote, vote: subzerosith

[DeityKabuto]

Sorry I had to be prodded. Time flies when you're not having fun.

Anyways, I do not and will not support the silver lynch.

However, he'll probably get lynched anyways since deadline is tomorrow, so if I ever get a moment of quiet around this fucking house I'll try to do a re-read with hunting based on his flip.

At the moment, who are your suspects, if any?

Also, what makes you against the lynch?

[DeityKabuto]

Re-voting right before the deadline, are you guys sure?

[Toon Fighter]

If mastin survives tonight, I propose we lynch either him on silverbullet tomorrow. he may be pulling a gambit here and be scum with silverbullet

[Surye]

UNVOTE: Silver
VOTE: SubZeroSith
Bah. I don't have time to fully consider the ramifications of this.

I do note that this use of a claimed cop power is in

direct

contradiction to mastin's article about cops, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that he'd fakeclaim as scum. Town gambit on a strong gut read, maybe. Have to think about this. Looks like we're headed for a no-lynch.

My thoughts exactly. And I expected scum on one end of the Silver/Sub exchange, so....

UNVOTE: Silver
VOTE: SubZeroSith

[mastin2]

If mastin survives tonight, I propose we lynch either him on silverbullet tomorrow. he may be pulling a gambit here and be scum with silverbullet

Good Idea, I suppose. Of course, for this to be valid, we must ensure no protective roles are on me.

Any Protective Roles: Do NOT be on me OR silver tonight.

Let's see if the scum have the guts to kill me or Silver.

Trust me, I know what I'm doing.