Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[ooba]

@VP - Post 67 in scotty's ISO
P-edit- Ninja'd by Ray

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@Ray - you had me at

I'm going to come out and say my cast is also awesome. Let's double our awesome.

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@VP on worship
Consider that town people with information\protective roles should rather use their abilities than worship. Trust me when I saw I like the teams as they are.

[Magua]

I do not trust RayFrost. If you've got a third party win condition, out it. Scum have no reason to stop you from removing yourself from the game. Town has no reason to stop you removing yourself from the game as long as your win condition doesn't hurt town.

The fact that you're so secretive about what it is does not lead me to believe that it will hurt town. It's possible that singersigner was worshipping Justice to power up hitogoroshi. It's also possible she was doing it to power up you. Fuck, it's possible she was powering up ooba. It's also possible that sottyrulez is simply lying. So it goes.

You're right that we need to maximize our gains for the town. This game will not be in our favor if it's mountainous. But we still need to minimize the gains for the scum. VPB is fine to power up because I don't think he's scum, and if he's SK, he's a threat to scum. So that's all fine by me. Let VPB shoot, and if he shoots scummy people, great. If no one scummy dies, I'll be the first on the wagon. This is a fine plan.

Ray's not in the same position. Most importantly, I don't have the Ray-is-definitely-not-a-tiger vibe.

I have the same reservations about ooba, but too many people I trust to be town are telling me I'm wrong.

The Plan

Going with ooba's list here:
Team VPB: VP Baltar, Demonic Angel, sottyrulez, Parama, Seraphim, Faraday
Team ooba: ooba, AlmasterGM, MagnaofIllusion, Nobody Special, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Plum, RayFrost

1) AlmasterGM - Worship Balance/Justice
2) Debonair Danny DiPietro - Worship Balance/Justice
5) Faraday - Worship Solism/Will
8) Demonic Angel - Worship Solism/Will
9) MagnaofIllusion - Worship Balance/Justice
10) Magua - Do whatever the person who gets lynched was supposed to do
13) Nobody Special - Worship Balance/Justice
14) ooba - Worship Balance/Justice
15) Parama - Worship Solism/Will
16) Plum - Worship Balance/Justice
18) RayFrost - Worship Balance/Justice
19) Seraphim - PGO cast on VPB
21) sottyrulez - Worship Solism/Will
23) VP Baltar - Drain battery

If they're alive and you have a relevant read, consider:
RayFrost will benefit from a Justice worship.
MagnaofIllusion will benefit from a Balance worship.

- Acceptable deviation: If you have a protective ability/cast you can use, protect ooba

[VP Baltar]

well, MoI's probably going to be dead. not enough people think Plum is scum for it to happen today I think. I hope reconsiderations are made tomorrow.

[ooba]

I have the same reservations about ooba, but too many people I trust to be town are telling me I'm wrong.

Strange. You did read my ISO right? Is it the plum defense on D3?

- Acceptable deviation: If you have a protective ability/cast you can use, protect ooba

Plus if you have an informational role, you should probably use it.

[Demonic Angel]

Plum may be scum, but I at least am far more sure about MOI.

Anyone want us to look into something, or just stick with powerup plan?

[VP Baltar]

I prefer Magua's strict plan because it has less wiggle room for scum to wifom why they didn't power up. Controlling night actions is crucial.

[Demonic Angel]

Oh I just read ooba's post.

Still what I said in my last post.

[ooba]

I prefer Magua's strict plan because it has less wiggle room for scum to wifom why they didn't power up. Controlling night actions is crucial.

True. But they'd have to lie about the informational role and by that I mean Watcher\Tracker type roles - either way will net us contradictions if they're not telling the truth during massclaim. Think it's worth it with the extra slack present in your team ..

[VP Baltar]

Perhaps, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers are in 'ban together at all costs' mode. Meaning that they could simply corroborate each other's claims. Majority can decide on the issue.

[ooba]

Perhaps, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers are in 'ban together at all costs' mode. Meaning that they could simply corroborate each other's claims. Majority can decide on the issue.

Well they tried that once and see where it landed them.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, but what other options do they have is my point. I know if I was Tigers, I'd be going for the high-risk, high-reward buddying at this point because playing it safe and/or buddying is just going to lead to a loss.

[sottyrulez]

We confirm that we will be worshipping a VP domain tonight.

We'd also prefer a Plum lynch lots more that a MoI lynch but that doesn't look like it is going to happen, so sadface.

[Magua]

Magua – What is your stance on VPB and DA mudslining? Hmmmm? Are they scum for doing it? If your answer is No and involves “it’s in their nature not yours” that’s bullshit.

It is in their nature. I really dislike Fate, on a personal level, when he gets into that mode, and I've already made that clear. But that doesn't make it a scumtell for him.

For VPB, unbound arrogance is way more of a scumtell. But no one, and I do believe that includes you, thinks VPB is a Tiger. That's really all I care about at this point. So everything else gets ignored. I literally do not care if VPB is the SK. Even if he were to claim it in the thread, I would not vote him.

Question about your Donation power, Magna. Please elaborate on how it works. Here's how I think it works from what you said in a hypothetical setup with you (Balance + Austerity), ooba (Balance + Justice), and RayFrost (Justice + Syncretism).

N1, no one has any faith.
ooba worships Austerity.
RayFrost worships Austerity.
You use Donation, targeting ooba.

N2, you have 0 faith.
RayFrost has 0 faith.
ooba has 2 faith.

Is that correct?

[Demonic Angel]

Magua I need to know if we're worshipping or using an ability tonight.

[RayFrost]

Okay, just got confirmation from the mod. My plan doesn't work. I can't remove myself from the game

and

remain awesome. FFFFFFFUUUUUUU. Still, I can die and remain awesome. Just that how I was planning on doing it would prevent my awesomeness. Sorry guys, I had a wrong idea in my head. I can't remove myself from the game, but I can do something else. The six faith cast is still worth it, just not in the way that I was thinking. Slight change of plans, nothing major. I shouldn't need to die at all, which is nice and wonderful and stuff. Assuming I have 3 faith tonight, we can actually just worship balance. The issue is... I'd rather not gamble on that unless three people want to come out saying they worshiped one of my domains last night.

P-edit: DA, you're worshiping unless you have a protective / VALUABLE information role to be using.

[Demonic Angel]

Nanananana I'm not listening to you~~~~~

You really should just claim now if you're 3p or not though, would make the trust factor much simpler.

[RayFrost]

Unless Town is now Third Party, I'm not third party. Sorry. <3

[RayFrost]

The Plan

Going with ooba's list here:
Team VPB: VP Baltar, Demonic Angel, sottyrulez, Parama, Seraphim, Faraday
8) Demonic Angel - Worship Solism/Will

- Acceptable deviation: If you have a protective ability/cast you can use, protect ooba

[RayFrost]

- Acceptable deviation: If you have a protective ability/cast you can use, protect ooba

Plus if you have an informational role, you should probably use it.

[Demonic Angel]

Is your name Magua? :/

And I already hinted at an informational role earlier.

[RayFrost]

It's not, but Magua already said the answer to your question. Shocking, I know.

[Magua]

Magua I need to know if we're worshipping or using an ability tonight.

If you have a protection ability, use it on ooba. I would consider watcher a protective ability, for what it's worth.

If you have some other ability...well, without knowing anything about the effect, approach it with the understanding that if you do use it, you'll very likely get lynched. So the question to ask yourself is, "Is using this effect worth getting lynched over?" If it guarantees finding a scum, the answer might be yes. If it's more like a tracker, then the answer is probably no.

[Demonic Angel]

I would say it's more of a checks and balance ability.

[Magua]

RayFrost, what were your faith totals N1 and N2?

[RayFrost]

Just going to come out now and say that I've inactively broken both my scum and town meta this game. I could point out what I believe my meta to be, but self-meta etc. Suffice to say I kinda wish I had replaced into this game. More fire under my feet. Being in a game from the start but coming in 20 pages late just really dims my motivation, though I've been trying to get it back. I think it'd be easier for all of us if I got six faith, used my cast, got lynched, and then continued to be of use to the town. It's a fine plan even though it ends in a town lynch, as my value to town doesn't stop upon death and it removes someone suspect from the game.

I am 100% willing to get lynched provided I am able to use my six faith cast beforehand. I'm saying this now because I realized I fucked up this game. I haven't exactly been tip top shape, so my value alive is less than worthwhile.