Mini 1170: Nowhereville Mafia '11- Over!

[SleepyKrew]

I've never been 100% sure. You never can be without a follow the cop or auto-win situation. But I'd say I'm 80-90% sure, and that's sure enough for me.

[charter]

What I find more disturbing about Quinn than his terrible rolefishing attempt, is his total lack of mention of Kool and his town read on Sleepy. I mean, Quinn has an inexplicable town read on Sleepy and Kool, Sleepy has an inexplicable town read on Kool. Kool has no reads at all. The connections write themselves.

I like where CoolSkins's head is at, he's not going overboard on a very poor rolefish that had about zero chance at working, but instead is identifying a pattern of questionable behavior, not just one post. Good point about Quinn's reaction to that one vote.

Well, I wish Kalofer didn't claim, it certainly wasn't necessary. If there weren't bigger fish to fry, I'd say call it a day and just lynch him.

I'm still voting Sleepy, and he's still the scummiest person here, though I would change to Quinn if we don't get a roarin' wagon on Sleepy by the end of the page. Still find Kool and ocean suspect as well. Sleepy is pretty obvscum at this point.

[Supreme Overlord]

Oh, sorry. Overlord

did

vote for Kal back with his first post. However, his remaining posts have been spent asking weak questions directed at Kal and others that don't have any weight behind them.

I'm sorry, but I find I just have to outright disagree with this. Some of my questions have been asking for clarification (which could be counted as 'weak'); however most of the ones in my ISO 2 and 3 directed at Kalofer trying to find holes in his reasoning - and since he hasn't responded to those in #3, that gives me an indication that he

doesn't

have good (read: town) reasons for his actions and statements.

You said this (about Quninster):

We never know why he thinks kool is pro-town. "Ohh, he's pro town" is the only reason we get.

This is what I've been trying to establish about Kalofer; he's started with the assumption that at least one person is town, gone on to 'confirm' other players, then used those to confirm the first player (Espeonage). Could you give me an exapmple of a question that might hold 'more weight'?


SleepyKrew; I still want you to explain exactly why you thought your 'deal' was a good idea (at the time).

Quinnster, dammit, why would you do that? I had you leaning town, but that was just stupid. Your entire sequence, from 'I think Kool's town' to 'I think Kool's breadcrumbing' to 'hey, Kool, claim' is just ridiculous.

Panzer, could you give me some links to games where you have correctly identified the alignment of newb players?


I hate that Kalofer claimed prematurely, too. Honestly, what's so hard about waiting until L-1 with a hammer ready?
THIS, people:

As a general rule, unless you have to claim to share some kind of information from a night action, don't claim until someone off the wagon who is willing to hammer asks you to.

Panzer, why did you go from 'if Quinnster is scum, Kool is town' in #326 to 'the scum team is Quinnster, Kalofer and Kool' in #341?
Also, I'm willing to cut you some slack over letting newbscum linger; it somewhat mirrors my own opinions, I think.

I'm going to stick with Kalofer for now until he answers my questions in #310, but I do see the merits of both the Quinnster and Sleepy cases.

[charter]

ah, in that first sentence, meant to say was "What I find more disturbing about Quinn than his terrible rolefishing attempt,

is his town read on Sleepy and Kool

"

[SleepyKrew]

charter, if I am obvscum (which btw, I'd like to see a point detailing reasons), then why do I only have one vote against me?
The deal was offered, like I said, while I was flustered. I cannot justify it because there is no excuse.

[Elfen]

*brain overloads on to many facts on whats what* @_@ Gah!

[charter]

Sleepy, I already highlighted why you were scum, you didn't respond to it at all, which says you agree with my points.

[Espeonage]

SK is vig. (lols at pun)

Ok that means DOC ON SK tonight. SK you should kill Kool tonight.

Now we can decide on a lynch. There have been more than enough claims. Kal and Elfin are now 10s and I will seriously consider stopping playing mafia if either are scum.

[SleepyKrew]

It's scummy to say that I'm not the only person using my logic? How so? I was asking Kal what separated me from the pack. Sure enough, I got the "I like bandwagons" post. Then there's the part where you thought I was talking about Kool when I was actually talking about Kalofer. That's all I see. Maybe I'm not looking close enough? Open my eyes please.

[Elfen]

How did you get a vig from SK??

[SleepyKrew]

Esp, you're dropping everything against me, and saying I'm vig, just because of a misinterpretation?

[Espeonage]

Why else would you post that. Last time I saw something like that it was when I claimed SK immune Vig in an open game without meaning to. It was a complete slip but it broke the game.

Are you a vig?

[SleepyKrew]

No. I meant what I said I meant.

[charter]

I hope no one is actually listening to most of what Espeonage is posting. Almost all of it is just terrible mafia theory.

Also, I'm going to be V/LA most of thursday-sunday

[SleepyKrew]

That's all good. Now address my post.

[charter]

What post?

[SleepyKrew]

It's scummy to say that I'm not the only person using my logic? How so? I was asking Kal what separated me from the pack. Sure enough, I got the "I like bandwagons" post. Then there's the part where you thought I was talking about Kool when I was actually talking about Kalofer. That's all I see. Maybe I'm not looking close enough? Open my eyes please.

[charter]

None of that has anything to do with what I said in 255

[SleepyKrew]

Actually, it does. Nice try. Now answer.

[charter]

No. Let's just lynch you.

[cloudocean]

I don't understand any of Espeonage's theories/reads

[Supreme Overlord]

Charter, it might be more effective to respond to Sleepy's post, then demand he responds to yours. Not ideal, but it would give you the 'moral high ground', as it were.

Espeonage, you should probably just drop any role speculation, and the direction of PRs in #357. What good do you think it does to tell a doc to protect SK and for SK to kill Kool, even if he is a vig?

Elfen and cloudocean, just off the top of your head, who (2-3 people) strikes you as scummiest?

[Espeonage]

Well Kool is the obv vig target if there is a vig.
And if there is an outed PR then the doc should obv protect them.

Nothing that profound.

It wasn't role spec. It was response to what looked like a breadloaf

tm

[Espeonage]

You know please for my frame of mind. YES OR NO. Are you an SK?

Please do not leave town in what will be a constant state of wifom. You opened this with your choice of words so you will need to settle it. I'm not asking for a claim unless you are the vig.

[Kalofer]

Oh, sorry. Overlord

did

vote for Kal back with his first post. However, his remaining posts have been spent asking weak questions directed at Kal and others that don't have any weight behind them.

I'm sorry, but I find I just have to outright disagree with this. Some of my questions have been asking for clarification (which could be counted as 'weak'); however most of the ones in my ISO 2 and 3 directed at Kalofer trying to find holes in his reasoning - and since he hasn't responded to those in #3, that gives me an indication that he

doesn't

have good (read: town) reasons for his actions and statements.

No I just agree with the view that your questions are weak and mainly meaningless and have given up on answering them. Even if I did answer them it wouldn't change anything and you seem to misunderstand almost every answer I give.