Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Pine]

Hell, started with 13 players? 3 scum is pretty standard, 4 max. May as well massclaim (though let's not start until we get consensus on this).

Thoughts?

[Hoppster]

Eugh.

Hazard is probably town.

Only have time for a quick post right now, but expect a post with details later.

[vezokpiraka]

Mass claim.

I like that.

[Morthas]

+1 to mass claim ;D

[Hoppster]

Umm.

Upon re-thinking, I'm going to withhold my reasoning for Hazard-town atm.

And, accordingly, I'd rather not have a mass-claim today.

I believe it would hurt our chances of finding scum. I'm not sure what benefits we get from it, and we know that scum can be candy animals and have goodies.

I also have some role-related reasoning, but you don't need to know it right now. So let's stop talking about a mass-claim.

And instead...

VOTE: Pine

There was no pro-town motivation to claim Even-Night Commuter instead of trying to draw the NK. And your play just stinks of setting up mislynches (which, assuming one-scum left [by the usual 3:10 setup of 13p games], scum would certainly need to do).

First you set up 3 lynches in myself, TT and morthas.

Then, today, you suggest lynching the targets of any Town Roleblockers/Jailkeepers, when really the lack of a NK in no way means that their target was scum. Paticularly with Jailkeepers.


Your case on me is also weak. Amrun had me as a town read. Kalofer's suspicion of me was over my role, just like TT (who is still alive today). Other than that, your case is essentially just meta, which is incorrect/bad, anyway. (Link to my ISO for the game Pine is talking about.) How is my play similar? You say that you say you read me as 'town' on first-read. Oh, so I'm scum for reading as town?

The two points about me wanting townie points are just absurd. Firstly, mb claimed 3rd party, but besides that, I actually unvoted so that you and Hazard could post something. That's not overeagerness. Also, you think that my hammer of cp was designed to get townie points? Just because I went "WOO HAMMER"?

You're putting me ahead in the lynch order over TT and morthas, who you've actually got decent points on, and just on (faulty!) meta? That just reeks of scum trying to get rid of a PR.

[Pine]

The above post reeks of deflection, OMGUS, and worry. My case on Hoppster is pretty solid, and I can back it all up. I'm at work right now, so I can't pull it together at the moment.

Lacking any roleblocker claims, I'm going to assume it was a protective role that got lucky.

Also, lynching a jailkeeper's target in this scenario has roughly a 50% chance of being scum, and a roleblocker's target approaches 100% scum.

Hoppster is scrambling in the face of an impending loss.

VOTE: Hoppster

If a Roleblocker or Jailkeeper steps forward with a result, I'll go with that.

[vezokpiraka]

vote hoppster

You're the other commuter right? And the scum tried to kill you? A probable myslinch?

Are you kidding me?

[Hoppster]

The above post reeks of deflection, OMGUS, and worry. My case on Hoppster is pretty solid, and I can back it all up. I'm at work right now, so I can't pull it together at the moment.

Lacking any roleblocker claims, I'm going to assume it was a protective role that got lucky.

Also, lynching a jailkeeper's target in this scenario has roughly a 50% chance of being scum, and a roleblocker's target approaches 100% scum.

Hoppster is scrambling in the face of an impending loss.

VOTE: Hoppster

If a Roleblocker or Jailkeeper steps forward with a result, I'll go with that.

Nice dodging, Pine.

You're also completely ignoring situations where a Roleblocker or Jailkeeper's targets somebody who, say, isn't the NK target or the person making the NK. Correlation /= Causation. You're willing to lynch based on a claimed roleblock/jailkeep?

vote hoppster

You're the other commuter right? And the scum tried to kill you? A probable myslinch?

Are you kidding me?

Um what.

[Pine]

Dodging? I'm at work, asshat.

And yes. Excluding weird interactions, a no-kill means that either a roleblock/jailkeep went into effect, a Doc got lucky, or the scum smoked the good weed and hit my commute.

So yes. A roleblocker's target is VERY likely scum.

[Hoppster]

Dodging? I'm at work, asshat.

And yes. Excluding weird interactions, a no-kill means that either a roleblock/jailkeep went into effect, a Doc got lucky, or the scum smoked the good weed and hit my commute.

So yes. A roleblocker's target is VERY likely scum.

Not talking about your case. If you have time to accuse me of OMGUS you have time to say why you claimed so prematurely and unnecessarily.

You have listed two possibilities, roleblocker blocking correctly or Doc protecting correctly. Why is it more likely that a Roleblocker has roleblocked correctly than a Doctor protecting correctly (and thus Roleblocker's target is very likely scum)?

[Pine]

It's just as likely. But a roleblocker's result will give us a probguilty, Doc will give us probinnocent.

I have a very good reason for claiming when I did. I'll tell you post-game. It's a very pro-Town reason.

[Hoppster]

>>

UNVOTE:

I need to re-read.

[Zyrconium]

Pine, actually, you'll be telling us sooner than that, it's 3rd on my list of things to have explained(it was second until Hoppster got all uppity).

#1 is the lack of death last night.
#2 is Hoppster claiming(like, all the way).

we can skip to #2 if Pine and Hoppster state that they have nothing to do with #1

(you crazy impatient tards are ruining my subtlety here btw)

[Pine]

I had nothing to do with the lack of a kill last night, unless scum targeted my commute.

I will not be explaining. Suffice to say that, unlike Amrun, there is more to my role, and if I tell you I won't be able to implement it properly as it is quite conditional. If I get to L-1, I'll reveal and ruin it. Just trust me, okay? With any luck I'll get a result tonight and reveal the next morning.

[ToastyToast]

For me, the last scum is either Morthas or Hoppster. More later, but zyrconium is now confirmed town as far as i'm concerned.

[Pine]

Agreed (re: Zyrconium)

TT, if you're down to Morthas or Hoppster, why is your vote uncommitted? Hoppster is today's lynch.

[Zyrconium]

Ok, here's a funky question: Pine: does your ability have a use that could conceivably benefit mafia?(I had a much more conceited way of asking this, btw, enjoy that I proofread for retardedness in my posts)

[ToastyToast]

Agreed (re: Zyrconium)

TT, if you're down to Morthas or Hoppster, why is your vote uncommitted? Hoppster is today's lynch.

Not sure what the lynch threshold lynch is, and I'd prefer Morthas.

[Pine]

Ok, here's a funky question: Pine: does your ability have a use that could conceivably benefit mafia?(I had a much more conceited way of asking this, btw, enjoy that I proofread for retardedness in my posts)

Not even a little bit.

Trust me here. If I don't reveal in my first post at day start on D6 (if there is a D6, I think Town is about to win) I'll self-vote.

[Hoppster]

Pine, actually, you'll be telling us sooner than that, it's 3rd on my list of things to have explained(it was second until Hoppster got all uppity).

#1 is the lack of death last night.
#2 is Hoppster claiming(like, all the way).

we can skip to #2 if Pine and Hoppster state that they have nothing to do with #1

(you crazy impatient tards are ruining my subtlety here btw)

#1: nothing to do with me.

Claim: Cowardly and Weak Zoo Security Guard

I am a Cowardly and Weak Zoo Security Guard.

I've heard that there are suspicious people about and I am the zoo's hired protection. Unfortunately, I'm also a bit of a wimp.

I have two actions, of which I can perform one each night.

One of these is hiding myself. This makes me immune to all Night actions.

The other is protecting a player. If the player I target is not a Candy Animal, this makes them immune to a night-kill attempt for that night. However, if the player I target is Mafia-aligned, I will die of fright.


Target Hazard last night. Doubted scum would NK me, and thought it worth the risk. Figured that if I died, town would put 2+2 together and lynch Hazard based on my suspicions of him.

[Pine]

Hmm. I actually believe the claim, but mb had a convincing fakeclaim too. Need to think about this.

[Pine]

Hmm. Why'd you say "probably" town about Hazard at day start?

UNVOTE: Hoppster

For now.

[Hoppster]

I may have been roleblocked/jailkeeped. Unlikely, though.

[Pine]

Full list of action choices as well, please.

[Hoppster]

N1 - Hid
N2 - No Action
N3 - Hid
N4 - Protected Hazard