Dynasty Warriors Mafia (Shu Victorious)

[GreyICE]

/confirm

[GreyICE]

Vi is a cyborg samurai, cyborgs are obviously scum as shown in the documentary

Terminator

Vote: Vi

[GreyICE]

Please read some other DK games before voting him

[GreyICE]

Why's AGM on the scumlist?

[GreyICE]

Oh

I like death so I was ignoring that because I just want to have the two scummiest players duel each day and only bother about electing townies if both refuse.

[GreyICE]

And heh, nevermind, yeah, he's scum.

Vote: AGM

Fool me once...

[GreyICE]

lol, u mad?

lol, u scum?

[GreyICE]

Nah, my scum strategy is to buddy you, remember?

Nah, you're scum. Saw a line in Vi's post and wanted to see if you could get a mislynch off it.

Confident, cocky, lazy, dead.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE- Your vote on Almaster. Based on meta or reaction fishing?

Based on his play. His first bunch of posts were setup speculation, which was at least interesting, and beats general RVS, but didn't particularly add any reads to the thread.

He added to me to the scum list pretty clearly off Vi's #150. His 'scumhunting' consists of quoting something someone said and nodding vigorously.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE 203 - Lol, dude...did you forget completely about Mafia with the Hydras and Brotherhood of the Wolf? Was I not cocky and confident there? I know Bebop must have been kinda embarrasing, but you could at least TRY. You haven't commented on anything other than me, and what you have said is laughable. Hellllooooo scum-GreyICE.

You were cocky and confident there. Here? You're speculating on the setup and borrowing reads while basically pushing no one.

You got lazy. And when you're scum, that means you get dead.

I'll comment on someone other than you when someone other than you and condemned-to-death Lugi pings my scumdar hard.

[GreyICE]

This is a TEAM game AGM, have a little faith in your fellow townies. I would also be fine with everyone electing the most townie person to be the duel partner. But the point is the same.

I do have faith - please don't mistake my argument for some sort of arrogant power trip that I think I'm the only one who should duel, I certainly don't think that - BUT if someone is about to be lynched, it's because they are either A) scum or B) were incapable of presenting themselves in a townie people. These aren't the people I think should be starting duels.

You were cocky and confident there. Here? You're speculating on the setup and borrowing reads while basically pushing no one.

First of all, it's not setup speculation, it's gaming the setup. I'm working with the known rules, not making vapid guesses about roles. Second, setup gaming is fine so long as you are ALSO scumhunting, which I am doing. Third, you (by your own admission) haven't done anything except say "AGM is scum," so by your own argumentation you are scum. Fourth, (this is most important) - are elvis_knits and Juls scum? Because they're talking about the setup, too.

You're doing nothing else. So far Toasty is scum because he disagreed with you, Ludi is scum because he's so bad that his partners are probably bussing him hardcore after that post, and I'm scum because...

Hmm.

Nice scumhunting.

"They did it too!" is a scum response. There are clear reasons why their posts are different from yours.

[GreyICE]

Amrun 244... GreyICE read unfounded. Skimming Bloodbath in Camden with GreyICE isolated... Scum play determined to be weaker than Town play to the point of the level of play shown in this thread.

You mean the game where we swept the town and never had a wagon on scum higher than TWO MOTHERFUCKING VOTES at any point? And collectively the dead QT managed to get two of the three remaining scum on day 4, neither of which was me? This is my face right now:

Explanation for town read on AGM is required.

[GreyICE]

Hmm, you make a point. Evidence suggests that ReaperCharlie doesn't read the thread ANYWAY when he's town.

[GreyICE]

WHAT THE FUCK
SINCE WHEN DO YOU READ THE FUCKING THREAD BEFORE VOTING AND SHIT
WHAT IS THIS HETEROSEXUAL WITCHCRAFT?
aY

[GreyICE]

DUM

He's supposed to lurk and then randomly hammer a wagon. And then insist that he be given all the hammers. And then lurk.

[GreyICE]

No.

I just have no idea what to do with a Unicorn slot that actually is playing the game.

I think he's been abducted by space aliens.

PEdit: AGM town read is wrong, obviously. RayFrost scumread wrong. Toasty scumread also wrong. Not going to go check the post #s, I can't really care, so I'm not following that annoying commentary. Wall posting where you quote/post is no better than wall posting where you don't quote the random shit you're responding to. Make notes in your hydra QT then come back when you have something coherent would be my advice.

[GreyICE]

ITT My reads are better than yours so I dun care

I never read those PBP# posts anyway. The conclusions are all that's interesting.

PEdit: Um yeah, you're labeling people scummy when you think you see a potential for a mislynch or because they disagree with you, not because of any real or observed scumminess. You're saying that regardless of whether I have good points (AKA

regardless of whether you're scum

) I'm still tunneling on you, and that's scummy. Seriously, did you just softclaim multiteam? Or am I bussing you? 'cause that's rich

[GreyICE]

Greyice - who else do you think is scum?

ATM Magister Ludi, although he's probably a vig detector, and possibly Amrun for:

Hmm.
I am in that [redacted] game.
These posts are so different from Ludi.
I change my mind.

Unvote

VOTE: Deity Kabuto
I need to re-read this game asap.

Since Deity Kabuto has done nothing specifically scummy, and frankly given his past history is a free fucking mislynch. Which doesn't exempt him from being scum, but does mean I look hard at people floating to a wagon on him.

[GreyICE]

This is sad. If Amrun is seriously, as town, voting for DeityKabuto because he's playing BETTER than he did in other games, I'm going to have some very harsh words in the post game.

THIS IS WHY META SUCKS ENORMOUS DONKEY BALLS

[GreyICE]

Sorry chuckles, I'm town, same as the last time you decided to lynch me.

Explain 277 to me again.

Elaborate on the scumtell detected in Amrun's post.

Preferably in a style that makes me want to read your posts. This is fucking alignment neutral to the person who invented an entirely too-complex breadcrumb as miller.

[GreyICE]

Not suspicion. Irritation. Feel free to cut your patience loose at any time and start being readable. I can call you VI-Bot to help you along

Do like the scumtell though. Raw AtE.

And we add that to the fact that she explains that she's voting entirely based on a meta case that he's playing BETTER THAN HE NORMALLY DOES (and no matter how you parse it, saying he's "usually a VI" and isn't this game is saying he's playing better) and this is a fairly good bet.

Vote: Amrun[/b

[GreyICE]

Vote: Amrun

[GreyICE]

No, I said I didn't like DK's vote on mykonian and that he's coming off as overly cautious. But that's all meta, I guess.

And

The main thing that disturbs me about DK is his lack of VI behavior. I've played with and mislynched him before and it was flagrant and over the top VI behavior.

The main thing that disturbs me about DK is his lack of VI behavior.

No, I said I didn't like DK's vote on mykonian and that he's coming off as overly cautious. But that's all meta, I guess.

The

main thing

that disturbs me about DK is

his lack of VI behavior.

No, I said I didn't like DK's vote on mykonian and that he's coming off as overly cautious. But that's all meta, I guess.

Hey AGM, time to bus your buddy.

[GreyICE]

Yes, that AND those things I said (vote and overly cautious). As in, in addition to. Is it that hard to understand?

Ludi, what is the difference between C-Worl's vote and DeityKabuto's vote? I think DK's is even worse, but they're both bad.
In fact:
VOTE: DeityKabuto

Or when you circled back after wagoning Ludi

Hmm.
I am in that [redacted] game.
These posts are so different from Ludi.
I change my mind.

Unvote

VOTE: Deity Kabuto
I need to re-read this game asap.

Not impressed Amrun. Not impressed.

[GreyICE]

Hey AGM, time to bus your buddy.

Why is she my buddy, specifically?

Oh right, this could be two teams. Fair point. I'd hate to lynch you for being the

wrong sort

of scum. That'd be downright rude


@RayFrost: Bad meta again, I ignore stuff town or scum. Also I don't ignore people, I just ignore silly ideas. Lynching Fatso was a silly idea because he was obvtown. Lynching danaspot was a silly idea, same. I bounced ideas off quite a few people, and I remember following your hydra after I poked you enough to confirm the alignment.

I'm actually kind of impressed that none of the wagons are silly except the ToastyToast one.

[GreyICE]

@RayFrost: Bad meta again, I ignore stuff town or scum. Also I don't ignore people, I just ignore silly ideas. Lynching Fatso was a silly idea because he was obvtown. Lynching danaspot was a silly idea, same. I bounced ideas off quite a few people, and I remember following your hydra after I poked you enough to confirm the alignment.

And here you actually prove my

real

meta on you... totally.

Huh someday you must share my secret towntells with me.

Anyway, donuts to the first person who tells me what's wrong with Ludi's last post. Hint: AGM

[GreyICE]

Elvis Knits has 37 posts, most multiline, and many of them quite good.

LETS GET A WAGON TO L-2, BECAUSE IF GAMMA DUELS ELVIS I'M VOTING FOR BOTH OF THEM TO DIE.

[GreyICE]

Hey Grey, I'll give you a dolla if you challenge AGM to a duel.

Tempting. He needs to die. But I'd so much rather see Amrun challenge him to a duel AND THEN KILL BOTH.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

[GreyICE]

Lack of contribution =/= scum.

Try harder

~CSL

Lack of contribution is not necessarily a scumtell.

If we were in a game with 20 people, and 4 of them were inactive and only posted like once every 3 days (activity posts) and the town decided to have them lynched, the chances of them being scum are

very slim.

remarkably high

In that circumstance I'd fucking guarantee you that one of them would be scum, and it's a fair bet two of them would be.

[GreyICE]

I like the idea from the sign up thread much better.

Have two wagons, have either of them pull the trigger on the other. If NEITHER of them pull the trigger on the other, we have townies duel them and then we get DOUBLE DAYS.

I'll trade mysterious night powers that may or may not go to town for TWO DAMN LYNCHES.

[GreyICE]

...
#522

Load(VI-BOT.dat,Subject_Data)

[Iec_Index,temp] = find(Subject_Data,"Iecerint")
tempString = Subject_Data(Iec_Index,4) + ",Extremely cautious"

Save(VI-BOT.dat)

Load(Notes.txt)
Save(Notes.txt,"VI-BOT has nine scumreads in a twenty player game. Suggest the town is most likely not in on day 1. Encourage VI-BOT to reread and improve reads",'-append')

End

[GreyICE]

How come I never even knew you were in this game, GI?...

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Prolly 'cause you only read whatever page you're posting on?

[GreyICE]

GreyICE - At least I

have

reads I'm willing to share. While I will freely acknowledge that I'm not some omniscient Mafia deity I would also suggest that the underlying cause of most of my scumreads are the fault of the people in question being scummy.

Ah and here you're calling me out because I am doing what you are doing. But let me check, there is a much bigger problem at the moment, Vi. Magister Ludi posited pages ago (before he started lurking madly, because lurking makes you town) there were two teams.

Was it flavor or a genuine slip?

1.)Katsuki
4.)inHim
5.)Gammagooey
7.)AGM
16.)RayFrost
19.)RedCoyote

These are the competent players I've seen playing subpar. Gamma can be explained by time, Katsuki... might be town, AGM is definitely scum. Wagons are fizzling all over the place. Were there really 5 scum around here, some wagon would go to lynch. They're extending the day because it's beneficial to them too, they need their reads and their eggs lined up as much as we do.

AGM is free scum or your money back. Why? He was pushing me and then backed off with LOLSEKRET META TELL. This is obvious bullshit. Is no sekret meta tell. He just figures that he's declaring a general truce with the other scumteam for day 1. Joke is on him, I is not scums.

There's a lot of crappy scumhunting, fast backdowns, wagon hopping, and people who are scumhunting at 25% right now.

With town as heavily non-VT as the OP suggests, is not 1+SK, is 1+1

Vote:AGM

Toasty wagon is 75% crap. Claiming town reads on the people on the wagon is 99.9% crap.

[GreyICE]

I'm playing... subpar???!

Considering that my play is generally terribad, I'm curious to hear how my play in this game specifically is worse than usual.

Do I look like MoI to you?

[GreyICE]

Alright, so here's the secret stuff I was talking about.

One of my passive abilities, called "intelligence," confirms that there are three anti-town factions in the game.

In other words, we're (almost certainly) dealing with two scumteams and a serial killer. I initially planned to hold on to this information in an attempt to catch someone in a lie (e.g., the serial killer fakeclaiming vig, or something). However, RedCoyote's flip negates that potential benefit and it's likely there will be two people dead tonight anyway, so I see no reason not to claim now.

As a side note, this information is why I was so adamant about trusting obvtownies to duel scum. It's multiscum, so even if we accidentally label scum town, they still have an incentive to honestly hunt and nail the other team in order to look obvtown.

Here's how we can use this information to our advantage: Scum already know that this is multiscum from the size of their teams. With 20 players I would guess 3 person scumteams ... possibly 4, but that's unlikely. 3/17 or 3/1/16 is unheard of - thus scum are automatically going to know the setup is 3/3/14 or 3/3/1/13. Thus, what we are looking for is people who already seem certain that it's multiscum. It's not a slam-dunk tell, of course, but I think it's definitely something.

My secret towntell on GreyICE was this.

Hey AGM, time to bus your buddy.

Oh right, this could be two teams. Fair point. I'd hate to lynch you for being the wrong sort of scum. That'd be downright rude

The manner in which he "discovers" the possibility of multiscum sounds way too natural and legitimate for me. Don't get me wrong, I HATE everything else about his play, but this was enough for me to at least discount lynching him before I came forth with this information and discussed it with other people. However, GreyICE lost a LOT of that town cred in this post:

AGM is free scum or your money back. Why? He was pushing me and then backed off with LOLSEKRET META TELL. This is obvious bullshit. Is no sekret meta tell.

He just figures that he's declaring a general truce with the other scumteam for day 1.

Joke is on him, I is not scums.

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With town as heavily non-VT as the OP suggests, is not 1+SK, is 1+1

Emphasis mine. Here, GreyICE is 100% certain about multiscum, which is the exact scumtell I was looking for. Moreover, this "heavy non-VT" assumption doesn't exist ANYWHERE in the OP. All it says is everybody gets to do something if they win a duel, which isn't even that good, since (in most cases) only one person will be winning a duel per day. Thus, GreyICE is moving WAAAY back up on my scumlist. Near the top, now.

It's memorial day weekend so I don't have a ton of time right now, but I will be combing through the rest of the thread when I get a chance to look for more reads surrounding this issue.

Oh man, it's 13:3:3:1. With a third party flipping, I bet no scum would know that.

AGM, I called it in [REDACTED] too. I'll link to it when it's over, but anyone crosspollinated from that game can confirm it. You suspect by page 10, are fairly certain by page 20, and KNOW by page 30 if its multiteam. Only thing that's ever screwed with me was a team of neutral survivors, and the game was odd to begin with. Multiteam smells different from single team.

[GreyICE]

Fuck you, VI. Fuck you.

[GreyICE]

Full list of town players:

RedCoyote
ToastyToast
inHim
Juls
GreyICE
DietyKabuto
AGM
elvis_knits
Magister Ludi
mykonian
Maxous
Vi
Katsuki
Gammagooey
Druken Unicorn Master

Full list of town players who played well:



Like how scum let both vig roles live because you were playing so poorly it was like having an extra scum kill.

[GreyICE]

Vi and You pretty much narrowed the scum down? *chokes laughing*

What happened to you saying "EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY READS WERE WRONG?"
What happened to Vi being a loose cannon and shooting townies EVERY SINGLE TIME?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You and Vi would have had it allllllllll under control!

I'm actually with RC on this one. Complaining that he dueled the wrong person when Vi vigged about infinity townies is ridiculous.

[GreyICE]

I think my favorite part of the whole deal is that 'well we were narrowing it down and with Maxous out of the way we could have gotten it.'

So there's 6 players and 3 of them are scum and Katsuki is more or less alignment confirmed, so you think you might have narrowed down the scum team...

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[GreyICE]

Like voting "draw - both survive" and not having a duel but being able to lynch? Seems like a decent addendum over "YOU MUST DECIDE"

"Both survive" is more polite than "too much of a waste of life, brains, and time", but yes.

I am proud of my reads. What I don't understand is why no one except Ludi even considered them on my death.

I thought about them momentarily, and then moved on

Complaining that

[ReaperCharlie]

dueled the wrong person when Vi vigged about infinity townies is ridiculous.

You probably don't need me to say this, but I'm going to anyway.

RedCoyote was acting like scum. I shot him. If presented with a similar situation in the future I will do the same thing.
You were acting like scum. I shot you. If presented with a similar situation in the future I will do the same thing.
Amrun was acting like scum. I shot her. If presented with a similar situation in the future I will do the same thing.
mykonian was acting like scum, then he claimed something that needed to be killed ASAP regardless so what I thought didn't matter anymore.

And to think, I claimed ReaperCharlie and he still gives me the bird. No respect.~

Yeah my point on day 1 was that you had enough scumreads that we were in LyLo, and that was before we hit the 'null' category.

Maybe you should tighten your definition of 'acting like scum' a bit. I especially love the bit where you used Camden to show that my scum play was weaker than my town play... you know, the game with NINTY SIX HOUR DEADLINES AND WHERE SCUM NEVER EVEN GOT CLOSE TO LYNCH and then killed me because I play differently in a game with FOUR DAY GAMEDAYS.

Just saying, if you ever claim vig again I'm voting to lynch you and I don't even care if you're town.

[GreyICE]

^ And then if Vi flips town vig, I'm voting to lynch you. And you are going to flip scum.

Nope, I'll flip town. Really, looking at Vi's record, the town would probably have had more luck if she'd been a serial killer.

[GreyICE]

Yeah sure I'm a little bitter that between graduation and slicing my foot open and I get back and I didn't even get a chance to say anything before you shot me with the deadline like an eon away.

It was bad, bad play. Plus I thought that you thought my play in CBR was pretty terrible, what with you deciding to see if you could mislynch me on day 1.

[GreyICE]

Yeah all I'm saying is at some point you're going to vig a mason. Happened in one of my early mini normals.

Like "Daykill:X"
"X: Town Mason has been shot"

Ever seen a collective facepalm?

[GreyICE]

Really. So Red Coyote was scummier than C-Worl, Deity Kabuto, Magister Ludi, Ray "What's the Reply Button" Frost, Bastard "10 scummy posts and a reread" Bros, and Iecerint (aka "he's even in this game?).

Maybe shoot some motherfucking lurkers next time? You could have hit the ENTIRE SCUM TEAM

[GreyICE]

Or maybe just shoot scummy lurkers or lurkers in general. You know how much info you get off a lurker lynch? Zero. Even if they're scum, you don't learn anything because they're NOT POSTING.

But no. You wanted to be the vig who shot the scum who were getting away with it. The big damn hero. Well here we are, very heroic.

You didn't shoot the scummiest people in the thread. Red Coyote, scummier than C-Worl? NOOOOOOOO. You shot people based on a complex meta analysis that was so deep in the 'overreading' category you could have confirmation biased me into a serial killer.

[GreyICE]

Or maybe just shoot scummy lurkers or lurkers in general. You know how much info you get off a lurker lynch? Zero. Even if they're scum, you don't learn anything because they're NOT POSTING.
But no. You wanted to be the vig who shot the scum who were getting away with it. The big damn hero. Well here we are, very heroic.
You didn't shoot the scummiest people in the thread. Red Coyote, scummier than C-Worl? NOOOOOOOO. You shot people based on a complex meta analysis that was so deep in the 'overreading' category you could have confirmation biased me into a serial killer.

Vi gets MVP because she's the only person responsible for shooting people who weren't town. so, despite the fact that she did not play a 100% game, you can't blame it all on her. Ir you were more active or more like the GreyICE most of us are used to, then maybe you wouldn't have gotten vig'd

So you admit it was meta and if I'd been on some alt account I wouldn't have been scummy.

Very good. You suicide your argument in your own post.

[GreyICE]

Yeah 'cause I'm right. You didn't find one scum on meta and cleared C-Worl on meta. The only scum who died suicided to power up a buddy.

*Impression: Play completely unlike expectation. Lurking perhaps explained by wanting objective opinion for impending duel.
*Impression: Play sufficiently resembles expectation. Reversal on GreyICE questionable.
*Impression: Play is completely unlike existing meta for excellent reason. No further consideration given.
*Impression: Entrance to game very weak. Involvement in game particularly unlike previous game within which GreyICE was Town.
*Impression: Previous Town read upheld. Other posts not great but not overtly bad. Mass suspicion suggests slight Town read.

GreyICE 944... Label of RedCoyote as "third party" most probably wrong and most probably deliberately wrong.

Yeah god forbid I read the OBVIOUS FLAVOR and made the OBVIOUS CONCLUSION.


There was so much garbage meta play in this game. I mean you realize that you're ACTIVELY HURTING THE TOWN by doing this bullshit, right? 'cause you're encouraging people to not do anything different ever because then they'll be lynched for Meta. If everyone does nothing new SCUM JUST PREDICT WHAT YOU'LL OBVIOUSLY DO.

[GreyICE]

I'm sorry this in some ways exemplifies everything I hate about certain games. People blather on and on about meta and irrelevant things. Tons, TONS of good town players and we lose to like 4 lurker scum who have ISOs that should make everyone cry. C-Worl didn't even PRETEND to town after day 2 at any point, Iec discussed how flavor might give us a clue on scumteam size for about a year, RayFrost posted garbage infrequently, Bastard Bros/T-Bone was DEAD.

PEdit: C-Worl, it's a fucking embarrassment that you were alive over ANY of those shots.

Vote: Gamma

If Toasty's voting for him too then I don't see a reason not to.

So people have said they want more content from me, well here it is:

Content.

See that wasn't too hard.

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Oh you want reads and analysis and shit? Alright I'll get on it. BTW, @Rayfrost calling me dim.

hahahahahahahahahah...

<3

I mean you just decided to see how obviously scum you could possibly be and NO ONE KILLED YOU.

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

[GreyICE]

Oh I'm not hating on YOU. It's quite the trick to more or less claim scum around day 2 and get ignored until endgame.

[GreyICE]

Everyone said "town are all gonna be morons and randomly kill people and themselves for no good reason and we have to stop this.

Town was morons and randomly killed people for no good reasons and it got so bad people were wondering if T-Bone was town after he CLAIMED SCUM BY STARTING A RANDOM DUEL FOR NO REASON.

[GreyICE]

That baffled me.

T Bone claimed scum in his opening post.

At no point in this miserable game did any scumbag feel the need to do anything remotely townie though. C-Worl skated on the concept that scum wouldn't have the balls to not do one single thing that a townie might do, T-Bone just claimed and watched town run around like decapitated chickens, Iec decided to role claim wikipedia and do nothing, and Frost replaced out without telling anyone including the moderator.



Okay, yeah, I'm done.