New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[Toon Fighter]

Also, why use it on mastin?

[Pine]

Nah, screw it. I'll counter-claim. I was debating whether a Jailkeeper and Roleblocker could exist together, hence my hesitancy without an unvote. I rather doubt it. Especially as DK's claimed rolename was "Roleblocker" while describing a Jailkeeper's role.

I am a Town Roleblocker. Deity Kabuto is fakeclaiming.

[DeityKabuto]

Nah, screw it. I'll counter-claim. I was debating whether a Jailkeeper and Roleblocker could exist together, hence my hesitancy without an unvote. I rather doubt it. Especially as DK's claimed rolename was "Roleblocker" while describing a Jailkeeper's role.

I am a Town Roleblocker. Deity Kabuto is fakeclaiming.

Fuck it.

I admit, I am scum. I am scum along with Amor, Surye, and Pine.

Screw it!

But, if you think about it. Am I the biggest threat among the lot?

Chose your vote wisely.

[Surye]

Nah, screw it. I'll counter-claim. I was debating whether a Jailkeeper and Roleblocker could exist together, hence my hesitancy without an unvote. I rather doubt it. Especially as DK's claimed rolename was "Roleblocker" while describing a Jailkeeper's role.

I am a Town Roleblocker. Deity Kabuto is fakeclaiming.

Fuck it.

I admit, I am scum. I am scum along with Amor, Surye, and Pine.

Screw it!

But, if you think about it. Am I the biggest threat among the lot?

Chose your vote wisely.

Nice try. VOTE: DeityKabuto

[Maxous]

So I came by to start my Amor re-read....

and really?

Shit, I was convinced DK was town.. bleh

I think Toon Fighter bussed him though. His suspicion and vote came out of nowhere and the manner of how he went about it looks like he received instructions to do it during the night.
So yes I still think Toon is mafia.

Only one hesitiation.
@Mastin: If you can still use your day ability use it by your next post.
Then somebody hammer.

[Pine]

We should lynch all of DKs claimed scumbuddies. WIFOM-tastic with claiming scumbuddies, bleh.

[nhammen]

You are one of the claimed scumbuddies and a claimed power role. Are you serious about your statement?

On another note: who did you target last night?

[Toon Fighter]

Why, if I were, mafia, would I bus both Amor and DK?

[Maxous]

Pretty sure Pine was joking there..
Obviously we ignore lists and 'suspects' given by caught mafia.

Why, if I were, mafia, would I bus both Amor and DK?

So you could turn around afterwards and say 'I am town because why as mafia would I do this...'

[Pine]

@nhammen: I targeted Uite. He's been very lurky and I had few other leads. Like with cop-investigation, I think it's more likely that scum would send their lurkiest member to make the kill. Remember in TWBB how we always sent you to make the kill?

As for lynching the claimed scumbuddies, we have mislynches to spare and we won't know for sure whether he was WIFOMing or not until they flip. I'm comfortable taking one for the team, and RB is pretty weak and can work against Town if I make the wrong choice.

PE: I agree with Maxous

[Surye]

@nhammen: I targeted Uite. He's been very lurky and I had few other leads. Like with cop-investigation, I think it's more likely that scum would send their lurkiest member to make the kill. Remember in TWBB how we always sent you to make the kill?

As for lynching the claimed scumbuddies, we have mislynches to spare and we won't know for sure whether he was WIFOMing or not until they flip. I'm comfortable taking one for the team, and RB is pretty weak and can work against Town if I make the wrong choice.

PE: I agree with Maxous

And when we both flip town, where is town left? No better position. The WIFOM is null, I realize it looks survivalist from me, but you KNOW he is WIFOMing without a flip. That's the whole point.

[Nobody Special]

OMG this GAME.

Waiting for A) Mastin, B) my re-read of DK D1 (and D1 overall), C) my head to stop exploding.

[Pine]

Yes, Surye, it does sound survivalist of you.

[Surye]

Yes, Surye, it does sound survivalist of you.

And? How does your plan help town? As town, I should try to survive, if my death would be in vein. Lets say we lynch me, and I flip town, does that effect you? And vice versa? Your plan is a WIFOM on a WIFOM.

[Pine]

No, my suggestion is to call his bluff.

Why are you so concerned with your personal survival? I can see DK naming a buddy to try and clear them, and I think it's you, and now you're flipping your shit at it backfiring.

[Surye]

No, my suggestion is to call his bluff.

Why are you so concerned with your personal survival? I can see DK naming a buddy to try and clear them, and I think it's you, and now you're flipping your shit at it backfiring.

I'm not flipping my shit, I'm pointing out the flaw in your plan. It just happens to include me. Doesn't change the fact that you're not answering my questions or responding to anything I'm saying other than it's me saying it.

[DeityKabuto]

I said who's scum, and whenever I claim, 99.8% of the time, it's honest.

[Toon Fighter]

So I came by to start my Amor re-read....

and really?

Shit, I was convinced DK was town.. bleh

I think Toon Fighter bussed him though. His suspicion and vote came out of nowhere and the manner of how he went about it looks like he received instructions to do it during the night.
So yes I still think Toon is mafia.

Only one hesitiation.
@Mastin: If you can still use your day ability use it by your next post.
Then somebody hammer.

My suspicion of him came when I re-read D1 during the night. I don't know what's so wrong with it

[Toon Fighter]

I said who's scum, and whenever I claim, 99.8% of the time, it's honest.

0.2% being?... Also, you claimed 2 times already in this game. (at least) One of them is obviously a lie. That must have ruined your score

[Toon Fighter]

@DK: Why claim scum on the player that just counter-claimed you?

[mastin2]

Why no protection? Why did you predict the mafia wouldn't kill you?

Simple, really. We had three mutually confirmed town. Protecting me would be a waste, because killing me would be a waste. If that makes sense.
My plan was my strategy for re-reading the game and getting solid reads. It was quite elaborate, but I unfortunately did not have the time to finish it.

. In this post, Amor seems to be using an associative tell by addressing two now confirmed town and then DK. DK is almost without doubt his buddy from that alone.

Whoah. Hadn't noticed that. It's a solid tell, to say the least.

I require explanation of why Toon is Town to you, Mastin.

Alright, brief summary:
1: VCA. Toon looks favorable on it, pretty much the whole way through.
2: Being the Counter-wagon to Amor yesterday. Tell me, Pine, when was the last time you saw BOTH the lead wagons going on be on scum, in a single-faction game?
It doesn't happen. Toon is Town, because his wagon was the counter-wagon to a scumwagon, and therefore he is town.
3: Mislynchable. Toon has been acting a bit like an idiot (no offense meant, Toon), so is an easy mislynch.
4: Scumhunting. Toon is doing some quite legitimate scumhunting.
5: General reads of the game. Look at who've been pushing Toon as scum--Amor was one of them, for instance.
6: Gut. I know, the weakest of my reasons by far, but still a legitimate reason.

Toon's town for so many reasons it's not even funny; this is just a summary and I could ramble all day about why Toon's not scum.

If one of these is actually incorrect, it is Zepher.

This is my view as well.

Toon, myself, jmurph, Pine, and nhammen all vote Deity.
I share Toon's view. I think all people there are town, but the weakest town on the wagon are Pine and nhammen, just for the record.

I'm pretty sure this is a scumclaim. Let's review, shall we?
1: I know, this is general mod meta, but roleblocker is a far more powerful role in the hands of scum than it is town. Which is why so many mods give scum one--it works.
2: He used it on me, the guy who claimed a cop result on Silver. This sounds an awful lot like an attempt to block me from doing something last night.
3: His claim is actually that of a Jailkeeper, not Roleblocker.
4: I specifically told no protective roles to be on me. The fact that half his role is one is reason enough for me to want him dead itself.
5: Just feels wrong.

I can see it as potentially being wrong (it IS a fast wagon, after all), but I still think Deity's scum.

Nevermind. The lynch today is either Deity or Pine, now that Pine's counter-claimed. And guess who has no reason to counter-claim as scum? (Hint: their username ends with the letter "e".)

Bussing. Deity's giving us one confirmed scum, likely one buddy, and probably one townie. (If that really was the scumteam this game, well, then, quadz will have to call the game ruined. >_<)

Conclusions:

-Deity's scum.
-If Deity truthfully named his buddies, the game's ruined.
-If Deity's WIFOM'ing us, he still likely included ONE buddy, and it's almost certainly not Pine who just CC'd him.

[Pine]

Shut up, scum.

What questions did I ignore, Surye? How it helps Town? I answered that. I find it increasingly likely that he included you in an attempt to clear you. Added to others' suspicions, I think you're our next lynch (or vig)

PE: Mastin who did you investigate?

[Surye]

And for the record, I also believe Pine is town. Just that his plan is bad.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Wow, this is... certainly something to come back to.
Deity confirmed scum, Pine counterclaiming... at this rate, it'll be quicker to lynch everyone who hasn't been confirmed.
Agree with mastin on Nobody Special. WIlling to give him benefit of doubt on yesterdays inactivity. Happy with the DK lynch, willing to go ahead once everyone's had their say. Oh lawd this is confusing, I typed this and suddenyl 10 more posts.

[Surye]

Shut up, scum.

What questions did I ignore, Surye? How it helps Town? I answered that. I find it increasingly likely that he included you in an attempt to clear you. Added to others' suspicions, I think you're our next lynch (or vig)

PE: Mastin who did you investigate?

Let me reword it.

Lets say I am vigged/lynched next. If I flip town, does that clear you? Damn you? If I flip scum, same questions. Lets say you are the one vigged/lynched first, same questions about me.