[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

Quilford · Post Post #3300 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 3:03 am

Scales of Justice:

5x vanilla townies
2x (33% chance of mafia roleblocker, mafia godfather [receives a goon role PM], mafia goon [no duplicates])

-- if mafia roleblocker + mafia goon --
1x doctor
1x (50% chance of cop or watcher)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia roleblocker --
1x watcher
1x (50% chance of doc or cop)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia goon --
1x cop
1x (50% chance of doc or watcher)

I generated a few games with this setup with the results in spoilers.

Spoiler: Results

Thoughts and nominations kthx

chkflip · Post Post #3301 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 4:43 pm

1x Godfather
1x Framer
1x Janitor

2x Town Lover Masons
1x Hated Townie
1x Miller
1x Cop
1x White Mage
8x Vanilla

Powerrox93 · Post Post #3302 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 5:52 pm

chkflip wrote:1x Godfather
1x Framer
1x Janitor

2x Town Lover Masons
1x Hated Townie
1x Miller
1x Cop
1x White Mage
8x Vanilla

What's a white mage?

chkflip · Post Post #3303 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 5:56 pm

Doc who's protection works over two nights instead of just one.

Amrun · Post Post #3304 (ISO) » Tue May 17, 2011 7:50 pm

Quilford wrote:Scales of Justice:

5x vanilla townies
2x (33% chance of mafia roleblocker, mafia godfather [receives a goon role PM], mafia goon [no duplicates])

-- if mafia roleblocker + mafia goon --
1x doctor
1x (50% chance of cop or watcher)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia roleblocker --
1x watcher
1x (50% chance of doc or cop)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia goon --
1x cop
1x (50% chance of doc or watcher)

I generated a few games with this setup with the results in spoilers.

Spoiler: Results
FOR SETUP GENERATION:
1 - goon
2 - gf
3 - rb
4 - cop
5 - doc
6 - watcher
7-11 - vt
________________________

1. --goon--
2. --gf--
3. cop
4. watcher
5-9. vt5, --vt6--, vt7, vt8, vt9

d1
lynch gf

n1
goon kills vt6
cop investigates goon
watcher watches cop

d2
lynch goon - GAME (TOWN)

1. goon
2. --gf--
3. --cop--
4. --doc--
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, vt8, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt6

n1
goon kills vt5
cop investigates vt5
doc protects goon

d2
lynch gf

n2
goon kills doc
cop investigates doc
doc protects goon

d3
lynch vt7

n3
goon kills cop
cop investigates goon

d4
lynch vt9 - GAME (MAFIA)

1. goon
2. rb
3. doc
4. cop
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, --vt8--, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt9

n1
rb kills vt6
rb blocks doc
doc protects vt8
cop investigates vt8

d2
lynch vt7

n2
rb kills vt8
rb blocks doc
doc protects vt5
cop investigates vt5

d3
lynch vt5 (cop is ccd) - GAME (MAFIA)

1. rb
2. gf
3. --watcher--
4. doctor
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, --vt8--, vt9

d1
lynch watcher

n1
gf kills vt7
rb blocks vt6
doc protects vt8

d2
lynch vt6

n2
gf kills vt5
rb blocks doc
doc protects rb

d3
lynch vt8 (GAME - MAFIA)

1. gf
2. --rb--
3. --watcher--
4. --doc--
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, vt8, vt9

d1
lynch vt6

n1
gf kills vt7
rb blocks vt8
watcher watches vt8
doc protects vt5

d2
watcher outs
doctor outs
gf claims doctor
rb claims watcher
lynch doctor

n2
gf kills watcher
rb blocks nobody
watcher watches himself

d3
lynch rb

n3
gf kills vt5

d4
lynch gf (GAME - TOWN)

1. --goon--
2. gf
3. --cop--
4. --doc--
5-9. - --vt5--, --vt6--, vt7, vt8, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt9

n1
goon kills cop
cop investigates gf
doc protects gf

d2
lynch goon

n2
gf kills vt7
doc protects vt7

d3
should doc out (if him or vt7 not being lynched)? (y/n) n
lynch vt7 (doc outs with saved, lynch cancelled)
lynch vt5

n3
gf kills doc
doc protects vt7

d4
lynch vt6 (GAME - MAFIA)

Thoughts and nominations kthx

Looks interesing.

Nominate.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #3305 (ISO) » Wed May 18, 2011 10:41 am

What does nominating even DO?

As in, does anyone actually make anything happen in this thread?

Or does it just.... exist. (kind of like the Title Fairy thread)

Tragedy · Post Post #3306 (ISO) » Wed May 18, 2011 10:58 am

Nominate -> It becomes an Official Open Setup for anyone to use for their Open Games.

chkflip · Post Post #3307 (ISO) » Wed May 18, 2011 12:09 pm

Darth Yoshi created Faith + 1 here. We nominated -> nth'ed here. It's now being used by myself and DY in our Open games.

I'm sure a lot of this thread does just

exist

, though.

Mr. Flay · Post Post #3308 (ISO) » Thu May 19, 2011 1:23 am

Tragedy wrote:Nominate -> It becomes an Official Open Setup for anyone to use for their Open Games.

Nominate + Support + I think farside's stamp of approval, actually.

Quilford · Post Post #3309 (ISO) » Thu May 19, 2011 1:59 am

Amrun wrote:
Quilford wrote:Scales of Justice:

5x vanilla townies
2x (33% chance of mafia roleblocker, mafia godfather [receives a goon role PM], mafia goon [no duplicates])

-- if mafia roleblocker + mafia goon --
1x doctor
1x (50% chance of cop or watcher)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia roleblocker --
1x watcher
1x (50% chance of doc or cop)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia goon --
1x cop
1x (50% chance of doc or watcher)

I generated a few games with this setup with the results in spoilers.

Spoiler: Results
FOR SETUP GENERATION:
1 - goon
2 - gf
3 - rb
4 - cop
5 - doc
6 - watcher
7-11 - vt
________________________

1. --goon--
2. --gf--
3. cop
4. watcher
5-9. vt5, --vt6--, vt7, vt8, vt9

d1
lynch gf

n1
goon kills vt6
cop investigates goon
watcher watches cop

d2
lynch goon - GAME (TOWN)

1. goon
2. --gf--
3. --cop--
4. --doc--
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, vt8, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt6

n1
goon kills vt5
cop investigates vt5
doc protects goon

d2
lynch gf

n2
goon kills doc
cop investigates doc
doc protects goon

d3
lynch vt7

n3
goon kills cop
cop investigates goon

d4
lynch vt9 - GAME (MAFIA)

1. goon
2. rb
3. doc
4. cop
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, --vt8--, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt9

n1
rb kills vt6
rb blocks doc
doc protects vt8
cop investigates vt8

d2
lynch vt7

n2
rb kills vt8
rb blocks doc
doc protects vt5
cop investigates vt5

d3
lynch vt5 (cop is ccd) - GAME (MAFIA)

1. rb
2. gf
3. --watcher--
4. doctor
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, --vt8--, vt9

d1
lynch watcher

n1
gf kills vt7
rb blocks vt6
doc protects vt8

d2
lynch vt6

n2
gf kills vt5
rb blocks doc
doc protects rb

d3
lynch vt8 (GAME - MAFIA)

1. gf
2. --rb--
3. --watcher--
4. --doc--
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, vt8, vt9

d1
lynch vt6

n1
gf kills vt7
rb blocks vt8
watcher watches vt8
doc protects vt5

d2
watcher outs
doctor outs
gf claims doctor
rb claims watcher
lynch doctor

n2
gf kills watcher
rb blocks nobody
watcher watches himself

d3
lynch rb

n3
gf kills vt5

d4
lynch gf (GAME - TOWN)

1. --goon--
2. gf
3. --cop--
4. --doc--
5-9. - --vt5--, --vt6--, vt7, vt8, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt9

n1
goon kills cop
cop investigates gf
doc protects gf

d2
lynch goon

n2
gf kills vt7
doc protects vt7

d3
should doc out (if him or vt7 not being lynched)? (y/n) n
lynch vt7 (doc outs with saved, lynch cancelled)
lynch vt5

n3
gf kills doc
doc protects vt7

d4
lynch vt6 (GAME - MAFIA)

Thoughts and nominations kthx

Looks interesing.
Nominate.

Thanks! More opinions?

Tragedy · Post Post #3310 (ISO) » Thu May 19, 2011 8:52 am

Mr. Flay wrote:
Tragedy wrote:Nominate -> It becomes an Official Open Setup for anyone to use for their Open Games.

Nominate + Support + I think farside's stamp of approval, actually.

Yeah, I was planning to get a game that wasn't truly nominated by more than 2 people, to get Farside's awesome stamp of Approval.
I already planned pre-ins..

Pending for Approval.

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #3311 (ISO) » Thu May 19, 2011 1:13 pm

Mafia of the Gods V3

1x Cop
1x Picky Lover A
1x Picky Lover B
1x Picky Lover C
1x Picky Lover D
6x Townies

1x BP PGO SK Picky Lover E

2x Mafia Goons
1x Mafia Picky Lover F

Ok so each Picky Lover is paired with another Picky Lover Randomly. Each night the lovers can individually choose to either do nothing or kill their partners. If they kill their partner and their partner does not kill them then they will not die.
The SK Picky Lover can not be killed by his partner or at night by the mafia. This creates a nice WIFOM I think. Also is the SK chooses to off his partner he cannot kill that night.
The reason I made the SK a PGO is because it gives the mafia picky lover a reason not to just kill his lover N1 no matter what, also it makes the SK think twice about killing his lover night one because he could kill someone else in stead and hope his lover tries to kill him.

Re posting for urgency.

chkflip · Post Post #3312 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 8:47 am

Quilford wrote:
Amrun wrote:
Quilford wrote:Scales of Justice:

5x vanilla townies
2x (33% chance of mafia roleblocker, mafia godfather [receives a goon role PM], mafia goon [no duplicates])

-- if mafia roleblocker + mafia goon --
1x doctor
1x (50% chance of cop or watcher)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia roleblocker --
1x watcher
1x (50% chance of doc or cop)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia goon --
1x cop
1x (50% chance of doc or watcher)

I generated a few games with this setup with the results in spoilers.

Spoiler: Results
FOR SETUP GENERATION:
1 - goon
2 - gf
3 - rb
4 - cop
5 - doc
6 - watcher
7-11 - vt
________________________

1. --goon--
2. --gf--
3. cop
4. watcher
5-9. vt5, --vt6--, vt7, vt8, vt9

d1
lynch gf

n1
goon kills vt6
cop investigates goon
watcher watches cop

d2
lynch goon - GAME (TOWN)

1. goon
2. --gf--
3. --cop--
4. --doc--
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, vt8, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt6

n1
goon kills vt5
cop investigates vt5
doc protects goon

d2
lynch gf

n2
goon kills doc
cop investigates doc
doc protects goon

d3
lynch vt7

n3
goon kills cop
cop investigates goon

d4
lynch vt9 - GAME (MAFIA)

1. goon
2. rb
3. doc
4. cop
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, --vt8--, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt9

n1
rb kills vt6
rb blocks doc
doc protects vt8
cop investigates vt8

d2
lynch vt7

n2
rb kills vt8
rb blocks doc
doc protects vt5
cop investigates vt5

d3
lynch vt5 (cop is ccd) - GAME (MAFIA)

1. rb
2. gf
3. --watcher--
4. doctor
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, --vt8--, vt9

d1
lynch watcher

n1
gf kills vt7
rb blocks vt6
doc protects vt8

d2
lynch vt6

n2
gf kills vt5
rb blocks doc
doc protects rb

d3
lynch vt8 (GAME - MAFIA)

1. gf
2. --rb--
3. --watcher--
4. --doc--
5-9. --vt5--, --vt6--, --vt7--, vt8, vt9

d1
lynch vt6

n1
gf kills vt7
rb blocks vt8
watcher watches vt8
doc protects vt5

d2
watcher outs
doctor outs
gf claims doctor
rb claims watcher
lynch doctor

n2
gf kills watcher
rb blocks nobody
watcher watches himself

d3
lynch rb

n3
gf kills vt5

d4
lynch gf (GAME - TOWN)

1. --goon--
2. gf
3. --cop--
4. --doc--
5-9. - --vt5--, --vt6--, vt7, vt8, --vt9--

d1
lynch vt9

n1
goon kills cop
cop investigates gf
doc protects gf

d2
lynch goon

n2
gf kills vt7
doc protects vt7

d3
should doc out (if him or vt7 not being lynched)? (y/n) n
lynch vt7 (doc outs with saved, lynch cancelled)
lynch vt5

n3
gf kills doc
doc protects vt7

d4
lynch vt6 (GAME - MAFIA)

Thoughts and nominations kthx

Looks interesing.
Nominate.

Thanks! More opinions?

Seconded.

Flay's right about the approval, the list mod looks it over as well.

farside22 · Post Post #3313 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 12:52 pm

Mr. Flay wrote:
Tragedy wrote:Nominate -> It becomes an Official Open Setup for anyone to use for their Open Games.

Nominate + Support + I think farside's stamp of approval, actually.

This plus discussion. Some people are nominating games that are not balanced. I like to see a discussion of those people that are not only coming up with the game but those who look at the balance and can see the flaws.
I'm talking to mith about having someone become a person to look at these and determine if it's balanced, based on the nom's from others.

farside22 · Post Post #3314 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 12:58 pm

Quilford wrote:Scales of Justice:

5x vanilla townies
2x (33% chance of mafia roleblocker, mafia godfather [receives a goon role PM], mafia goon [no duplicates])

-- if mafia roleblocker + mafia goon --
1x doctor
1x (50% chance of cop or watcher)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia roleblocker --
1x watcher
1x (50% chance of doc or cop)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia goon --
1x cop
1x (50% chance of doc or watcher)

I generated a few games with this setup with the results in spoilers.

Thoughts and nominations kthx

I like the WIFOM of this design.
This is a 9 player game? I saw your spoiler and it looked like it was 12. Can I confirm the number of players in the game.

farside22 · Post Post #3315 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 1:00 pm

Tragedy wrote:
Mr. Flay wrote:
Tragedy wrote:Nominate -> It becomes an Official Open Setup for anyone to use for their Open Games.

Nominate + Support + I think farside's stamp of approval, actually.

Yeah, I was planning to get a game that wasn't truly nominated by more than 2 people, to get Farside's awesome stamp of Approval.
I already planned pre-ins..

Pending for Approval.

My biggest issue is trying to fill this game up. Any game that has more the 12 players gets difficult to fill. I would want to see big support for a game like this and more discussion.

farside22 · Post Post #3316 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 1:01 pm

chkflip wrote:Doc who's protection works over two nights instead of just one.

Does the mage protect each night?
If so bad

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #3317 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 1:30 pm

Yeah that's terrible if he gets to protect every night, lol.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #3318 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 1:33 pm

Mr. Flay wrote:
Tragedy wrote:Nominate -> It becomes an Official Open Setup for anyone to use for their Open Games.

Nominate + Support + I think farside's stamp of approval, actually.

Yeah but why wouldn't people just run Themes?

Amrun · Post Post #3319 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 2:22 pm

farside22 wrote:
chkflip wrote:Doc who's protection works over two nights instead of just one.

Does the mage protect each night?
If so bad

I was a white mage who protected every night, once. But I was scum on a small team in a large game.

Tragedy · Post Post #3320 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 4:17 pm

ReaperCharlie wrote:
Mr. Flay wrote:
Tragedy wrote:Nominate -> It becomes an Official Open Setup for anyone to use for their Open Games.

Nominate + Support + I think farside's stamp of approval, actually.

Yeah but why wouldn't people just run Themes?

You need 1 Modded Game to start with Mini Themes. There's Mini Normals, but yeah, who knows? It's got to be reviewed, you know. Even Open Games.

Quilford · Post Post #3321 (ISO) » Sun May 22, 2011 9:03 pm

farside22 wrote:
Quilford wrote:Scales of Justice:

5x vanilla townies
2x (33% chance of mafia roleblocker, mafia godfather [receives a goon role PM], mafia goon [no duplicates])

-- if mafia roleblocker + mafia goon --
1x doctor
1x (50% chance of cop or watcher)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia roleblocker --
1x watcher
1x (50% chance of doc or cop)

-- if mafia godfather + mafia goon --
1x cop
1x (50% chance of doc or watcher)

I generated a few games with this setup with the results in spoilers.

Thoughts and nominations kthx

I like the WIFOM of this design.
This is a 9 player game? I saw your spoiler and it looked like it was 12. Can I confirm the number of players in the game.

9 players indeed.

<3 chkflp

Ranmaru · Post Post #3322 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2011 2:09 am

Do thieves fall under INSPECTION? I mean, when they steal, does their action count as an inspection when relating to natural resolution?

cjdrum · Post Post #3323 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2011 2:37 am

I think of a Thief as a Flavour Cop + Roleblocker that has to target the same person for both abilities.

So I'd put the Thief's action under both "Blocking"

and

"Inspecting", to be worked out as if they were separate actions.

Of course, if the Thief doesn't Block the target, then definitely just under "Inspection" or "Investigation".

Ranmaru · Post Post #3324 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2011 3:30 am

Ah, I see. That does make sense. <3 I really needed that. : D

Can mafia have DELAYED kills? For example, they would say Delay kill: PLAYER Killed N2 and then they'd be able to kill on N2 as well? (meaning the kills would stack up)

I'm just wondering : D