Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[Pine]

You were not at L-1...

So? Claiming at L-1 is usually futile unless you claim a Town-critical role. It's my claim, I'll tell it when I feel it is necessary.

[Soben]

@Soben: I've been instructed by Katsuki very clearly that claiming anything in a Snow_Bunny game is a Very Bad Thing^TM. I will say is that we've thrown a spotlight on ourselves right at the start of day 1, and there's town motives in our actions. You've been reaching pretty hard here (A cult recruiter that recruits based on voting?) and it's all wrong as hell Honestly, on a scale of 1-10, how likely is it that we're scum here?

Also Nicodemus, I can guess who you are, so nyah

Alright, I was just given the go ahead to reveal my hydra partners account, it's Scumhunter who shall be named (S) for conviences purpose and from now on he's on a leash so he doesn't talk about another game. I completly disagree with S, you don't need to claim anything at all, doing so is actually harmful.

I've stated this already, I believe there is

zilch

chance that you're scum, and I believe the likelihood that you're a third party would be about a 4/10 however I still see no reason to follow your voting system. For the record, I'm close to positive that Pine is town given his claim, I recommend people unvote as soon as possible and start moving their votes to someone they might actually be scum. Hint: It's not SGR or Pine.

[Bunnylover]

Mana_Ku above post just reads as bussing scum.

Either read or read, before mentioning something like this.

I do not understand what you are saying. Explain?

I would never play this suicidally as scum. It's just not a good idea.

I would link you to games where I've played this way as Town, but at least one is ongoing. I think there's an offsite game like this, I'll find the link when I get home

This further my thinking that you are scum =/. You are trying to use a tactic that you have evidence as town using it. Meta provided by your ownself is idiotic.

@Feysel: I do believe Pine is scum, but that doesn't mean he will flip scum. So I have to look at both sides. Im more then sure I've seen scum give up, although thinking about it, scum would fight harder seeing as they would be playing against their win condition, while as town even if they give up they still have a chance to win.

@ABR: Why do you believe Pine?

[Soben]

BunnyLover, there's really no way you can see his claim and still believe he's mafia, I suggest you move your vote now.

[Pine]

Ha! I

thought

it was SH.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR: Why do you believe Pine?

...

[Soben]

Nothing like accidentally clearing yourself in two games. Shit is so cash. Hi Pine. This hydraing feels like a homework assignment. Not sure I can keep up with Regfan's demand for me to logically explain my reads. Feels like I'm in an abusive relationship to be honest. This is me reaching out for help.

[Soben]

No means No Regfan. I will not explain my scum read on LMP or my town read on Gandalf on your OCD google doc. I don't care if you typed the other 20 reads yourself. I'm here to win but I also want to ENJOY the game.

[SGRaaize]

According to Snow_Bunny, claiming is the worst possible thing you can do. So that didn't see much of a good move. Regardless, I'l

Unvote

[SnakePlissken]

Im back, I need to read back properly (Ive skimmed thus far) but Pine's claim for self voting is horrible. I learned my lesson from that, I don't care what situation you are in self voting is scummy whether you are town or not. Im trying to find an up to date vote count as I don't want to move my vote to Pine if he's a L-1 and get into the whole Whoops Hammer debacle. Especiallyas there's plenty of time in this phase to be getting more discussion going. Didn't we learn anything from the last game about speed lynching?

[CryMeARiver]

A friendly advice: Actually, two advices from your friendly mod. First, though you can paraphrase your role pm and make a claim, it is not advised to do so. Really, listen to me this time. Second, don't try to outguess me. You will fail so hard it won't be funny.

"Leave it to me!" one of them said. "Me, Andrius the Vamp-" the poor featureless body hadn't even finished his speech when a gosthly hand appeared out of the jar and grabbed him and devoured in a matter of seconds.
"It seems we can't speak our names."
"Then, let's speak no more nonsense and start hunting those bastards!"
"Yeah" and so, the hunting game began.

Andrius, a vampire aligned with the sorcerers, was killed pregame.

I suppose we'll see.

Unvote

@Soben: I don't think that action itself had any scum or town motivation, however it was highly antitown. On the contrary, I've found his general play scummy.

[Mana_Ku]

@Beefster
Can you even fail more than you're doing now? You were scummy, post 430 is making everything much worse. Instead of responding to Amrun good reasons about being suspicious about you, you attack her even more with weaker reasons.
-You're accusing her of being defensive, while she's pointing out why you're suspicious to her.
-You mentioned that she has only been focusing on you after your vote, while her vote against Pine came afterwards.
You're just reaching for reasons to keep your vote against her.

@Mana: Your reaction to this post (Post 246) by SGR?

If anything, it shows something against Pine as Pine has also mentioned he doesn't want to be ignored.

@Implosion
Your wallpost is terrible. You mentioned that you were hydra-hunting, because there was little to go on. But in that same post, you agreed with Pine that there was scum on the SGR-wagon, which already existed when you looked at the hydra. This needs an explanation.

Finally, a topic-starter (as if we didn't have enough anyway):
-Do you think there are any players with town wincon, but evil alignment?

Why do you want to know?

To end, I'm not unvoting Pine.

[Zdenek]

Do you? You avoided saying whether or not you think I did, then you asked your scumread if they think I did. Why?

I think making a mistake like that is null considering the town and scum were reversed in the last game, and people on either side could make the same mistake.

I asked without saying what I thought because giving scum answers to questions is stupid.

Pine's claim makes him likely town.

Unvote

I'm at work now, so I'll put down a placeholder vote because I didn't like his most recent post, but I'll revisit this game later today.

Vote SnakePlissken

[inHimshallibe]

ohai.


Did I miss anything over the weekend?

[SGRaaize]

ohai.


Did I miss anything over the weekend?

Pine self-voting and claiming even though Snow_Bunny has warned everyone not to do that.

[inHimshallibe]

ohai.


Did I miss anything over the weekend?

Pine self-voting and claiming even though Snow_Bunny has warned everyone not to do that.

Snow_Bunny warned us not to claim?

[Mana_Ku]

ohai.


Did I miss anything over the weekend?

Pine self-voting and claiming even though Snow_Bunny has warned everyone not to do that.

Snow_Bunny warned us not to claim?

See the rules

[Pine]

I interpreted it as forbidding name claims, rather than role claims.

Well hell, if I'm modkilled we'll find out for sure.

SGR, I have not self-voted, and the overwhelming negative response received to the suggestion is convincing me not to.

[WrathChild]

@Beefster
Can you even fail more than you're doing now? You were scummy, post 430 is making everything much worse. Instead of responding to Amrun good reasons about being suspicious about you, you attack her even more with weaker reasons.
-You're accusing her of being defensive, while she's pointing out why you're suspicious to her.
-You mentioned that she has only been focusing on you after your vote, while her vote against Pine came afterwards.
You're just reaching for reasons to keep your vote against her.

@Mana: Your reaction to this post (Post 246) by SGR?

If anything, it shows something against Pine as Pine has also mentioned he doesn't want to be ignored.

@Implosion
Your wallpost is terrible. You mentioned that you were hydra-hunting, because there was little to go on. But in that same post, you agreed with Pine that there was scum on the SGR-wagon, which already existed when you looked at the hydra. This needs an explanation.

Finally, a topic-starter (as if we didn't have enough anyway):
-Do you think there are any players with town wincon, but evil alignment?

Why do you want to know?

To end, I'm not unvoting Pine.

Why are you fishing?

[Soben]

I love mass claiming Regfan is trolled by my overall game play and even threatened me to replace out if I decided to claim for us. What a complainer!

[Soben]

Coming from the half of the hydra that likes trolling from time to time....self-voting is hard core trolling and playing against your win condition, unless of course you are some sort of jester role or mafia wifoming. But you know that already Pine.

[IceyCupcake]

What does everyone think of RBT?

[SGRaaize]

Seems like a guy that has yet to analyze everyone via ISO.
Just like me.

[Mana_Ku]

-snip-

Finally, a topic-starter (as if we didn't have enough anyway):
-Do you think there are any players with town wincon, but evil alignment?

Why do you want to know?

Why are you fishing?

Learn the definition of fishing.

As for RBT, null so far.

[Amrun]

WrathChild looks like he's looking for wikitells to accuse people of without looking at motivation.

Icey, I'll tell you what I think of RBT if you tell me what you think of Beefster. :3 If you did and I forgot it in a sleepy stupor, nvm. >.>