Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[Amrun]

Is this a joke or did you actually kill Pine?

P-edit: i see, gandalf. I thought passive abilities counted in that end of phase thing.

I won't participate in the claiming plan until we know the consequences.

[gandalf5166]

Why does it matter where the ability came from? What matters is it works.

Because where it comes from is related to how it works. And if it works differently than we think it does, we're screwed.

[IceyCupcake]

Why does it matter where the ability came from? What matters is it works.

Town mindset. I like.

[IceyCupcake]

Is this a joke or did you actually kill Pine?

P-edit: i see, gandalf. I thought passive abilities counted in that end of phase thing.

I won't participate in the claiming plan until we know the consequences.

HERP DERP I TOLD YOU NOT TO GET BACK TO ME UNTIL YOU STARTED USING YOUR BRAIN.

OR IS IT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ONE???

[SGRaaize]

Why does it matter where the ability came from? What matters is it works.

Because where it comes from is related to how it works. And if it works differently than we think it does, we're screwed.

The only way I see the ability hurting us is if its some kind of Serial Killer who wins if he kills X people because they claimed.
That would be a pretty unfair role to play.

[chesskid3]

so jjust dont claim jesus

[LimMePls]

It won't work because townies are bound not to claim and/or argue about why this plan isn't good.

Such resistance to an obviously pro-town plan would be grounds for lynching. No townie should resist that.

[LimMePls]

Actually, two advices from your friendly mod. First, though you can paraphrase your role pm and make a claim, it is not advised to do so.

If that was the rule then Pine was NOT mod killed!

[LimMePls]

Why does it matter where the ability came from? What matters is it works.

Because where it comes from is related to how it works. And if it works differently than we think it does, we're screwed.

The only way I see the ability hurting us is if its some kind of Serial Killer who wins if he kills X people because they claimed.
That would be a pretty unfair role to play.

S_B is pretty explicit about not playing "out guess the mod". Something about "you will lose and it will be hilarious". Therefore I do not accept the notion of "that would be a pretty unfair role".

[IceyCupcake]

Dude that obviously wasn't a modkill, seriously.

Also, if scum get unlimited kills based on claims, then all they'll do if we adopt the 'claim or lynch' strategy is to not do anything, then kill like 6 people on day 4 or something.

Overall, no fucking claiming seems like a solid rule.

[Amrun]

SGR, condescending cupcake seems to be implying such a role.

[Dry-fit]

Not seeing the case on Pine at all.

Not saying you're scummy or anything for it, but I'm curious as to whether you've genuinely read the last 2 pages.

Indeed I had, although I guess it doesn't really matter now.

What does everyone think of RBT?

Doesn't look good. Comes in only to defend himself, no suspects at all.

Would really like to hear more from SnakePlissken, not liking his contribution so far.

or just bullshit reasoning to justify when A) The BW ends up being on Town B) The BW ends up going nowhere and people start suspecting everyone involved (Dry-fit)

Wow way to attack me without even answering my question.

I answered your question, I always take time to change votes, its a meta from me, I even gave you links to the past games where I do that.

You answered it but not until a while after making this attack.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, and selfvoting, or the threat of it, is never a town thing to do. Never.

And I forgot a vote:

Vote: Pine

Red alert!

[SGRaaize]

Actually, I answered your question way before I made the attack, right below your post questioning that

[SGRaaize]

SGR, condescending cupcake seems to be implying such a role.

IceyCupcake is obviously joking, Pine was afraid of Icey being able to murder everyone that voted him or some crap like that.

[SGRaaize]

Why does it matter where the ability came from? What matters is it works.

Because where it comes from is related to how it works. And if it works differently than we think it does, we're screwed.

The only way I see the ability hurting us is if its some kind of Serial Killer who wins if he kills X people because they claimed.
That would be a pretty unfair role to play.

S_B is pretty explicit about not playing "out guess the mod". Something about "you will lose and it will be hilarious". Therefore I do not accept the notion of "that would be a pretty unfair role".

Its not out-guessing the mod, I am not out-guessing the mod by saying he didn't make a role that is almost impossible to win with and not fun to play as.

[SGRaaize]

Also, if scum get unlimited kills based on claims, then all they'll do if we adopt the 'claim or lynch' strategy is to not do anything, then kill like 6 people on day 4 or something.

Overall, no fucking claiming seems like a solid rule.

Fair enough, back to scumhuntan, then

[LimMePls]

Ugh, I'm not getting into another semantic argument with you, you're probably town.

I just don't accept your premise.

In other news

Vote: Beefster

[SGRaaize]

I went from having two Main FoSes to having no FoSes in less than three hours.
Gonna vote the next best thing:

Vote: Implosion

[SGRaaize]

^: Forgot to justify:

1) Voting Soben at the start of D1 before he even posted to Hydra-hunt (What?)

2) Changing his town-tell on Gandalf to a scum-tell for, basically, very mediocre reasoning (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3064825)

[Soben]

Alright, there's a bulk of new content in the thread since I've last read through properly, I should have it all read within an hour. I'm going to ask that you attempt to ignore my other side of the heads blatantly trolling remarks, he seems to gain happiness by annoying myself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't know what the fuck is going on, disappointed chesskid is alive, and I told you that Pine was town.

[Beefster]

This is a lie. Quote my vote on you.

Heh. My bad. I could've sworn you shifted your vote to me. Either way, I'm second on your scum list.

[chesskid3]

Don't know what the fuck is going on, disappointed chesskid is alive, and I told you that Pine was town.

hey screw you man

[Zdenek]

The Amrun - Beefster argument is making me crazy because they both strike me as scummy. On the one hand I see Beefster pushing one bad argument after another, and on the other hand I see Amrun caring about pointless things, failing to think about things, and her stance on the breaking the game strategy reads as scummy to me. Instead of being direct and game related, Amrun tries to appeal to emotion to get us to not use claiming - kill strategy.

Personally, I have a hard time believing that the game is broken, so I am opposed to the idea that we use it to kill off scummy players before finding one it fails on and then lynching him, but if there are competing wagons it could be used like a day-vig.
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Also, someone asked me to comment on a Katy slip. I didn't respond because I've never seen past renditions of this game and don't concern myself with flavor for much more than entertainment and still don't really get what the "slip" is supposed to imply.

This reads like a confession that he's not reading the thread, and doesn't really care to figure out what people are saying.

Here is what I haven't liked about SnakePl and why he earned my placeholder vote:
The first thing was his complaining about people posting with caps-locked while otherwise contributing little.

Then there was this post:

Im back, I need to read back properly (Ive skimmed thus far) but Pine's claim for self voting is horrible. I learned my lesson from that, I don't care what situation you are in self voting is scummy whether you are town or not. Im trying to find an up to date vote count as I don't want to move my vote to Pine if he's a L-1 and get into the whole Whoops Hammer debacle. Especiallyas there's plenty of time in this phase to be getting more discussion going. Didn't we learn anything from the last game about speed lynching?

I don't like that it ignored Pine's claim (although looking at this again, he could have missed is, since he was skimming). However, I also don't like the willingness to vote him expressed here, since at best it comes after a reread that that missed the most important event surrounding Pine. Then it closes with pro-town fluff.

What does everyone think of RBT?

Not enough content there to say yet, but I guess that is a bad thing in and of itself.

That's funny, considering you RVS'd after both of the posts you quoted on Gandalf. Or was that a serious vote?

I went to the last page of the thread, looked up, found something obvious to randomly vote on and then went to read the thread from the start.

Theoretically, didn't we just find a way to auto-win this game?
Instead of us actually vote-lynching people, we say "Vote: XXX", if there's a majority, that person is forced to claim his role and be killed.

Breaking the game for the town mindset = town.

I'm leaving my vote where it is.