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[SnakePlissken]

VOTE: DeityKabuto L-1. Let's see what happens next?

[[Low Key]]

OK TIME FOR THE VIG CALL. IF ANYBODY HAMMERS THEY WILL BE AUTO-LYNCHED TOMORROW.

Town Vig

: Please do us a favor and declare your presence openly and quickly (no more than 72 hours from now) by shooting DK. Please also understand that we need to know that you are out there and need to see evidence of it today rather than tomorrow and your shot will do that for us.

[[Low Key]]

OK OOPS. Sorry we still need the hammer call. We need someone to express their desire to hammer so the vig can shoot. That means the person just needs to say "I want to hammer" and explain why.

[[Low Key]]

@Snake: Can you please explain why you voted for DK?

[Spadille]

Cutting my V/LA today, also forgot to say my reason. I had a lot of projects that needs doing and I mean A LOT. These are also the months that I need to focus on my studies for the College Entrance Exam. So please bear with me ^^
This post is just a heads-up I'm here. I'm gonna catch up on 8 pages? Right.

[Toro]

Maybe if the one-shot were to claim on D3, when we can decide for them who to kill, as a second vote?

Ok, so I guess I just misunderstood. You're saying we should just wait and use the vig shot on D3 then?

This question is addressed to CJ.

When I first thought of when the vig should use their power (assuming they're town), I didn't think D1 was an ideal time to use it as I didn't think that we'd get THIS MUCH info out. I thought it would be more useful to use it D2 at the earliest when we could start establishing a clearer picture on who's who.

This is nice but doesn't address what is unclear about the original post. I will bold what I could not understand:

When I first opposed it I (as I said) thought it'd be a shot in the dark as I thought there were stronger chances at the time that the vig would shoot an innocent townie.

My thoughts on DK and zMuffinMan buddying up (which there is strong evidence of this on this page, with DK trying to direct Muffin and Snake to do what he wants) have blown that entire thought process away.

With their buddying up I felt that there was some sort of connection between the two so I felt the vig target should be used, I mean it's just flat-out suspicious how it appeared that DK would also turn to MuffinMan for help or tell him what to do.

[Spadille]

Okay, I just received a call from my group mates and they need me. M#%^#@ S#&$!!! Well, off I go. I will just V/LA upon the moment I can't really post in 42 hours. Sorry bros.
Also, note that I facepalm everytime DK posts. He thinks everyone attacking him is scum. It makes me go: lolwtfbbqwtfisthatplaysrslyitsantitownwtfhowoldishewtfishe12yearsoldwhatthefuckinghellisheomgOMGomgandheclaimstohaveplayed10gamesthenwtfisthisplaystyleomg.
I'm gonna launch the first part of my extravagant wall, the only things I finished which is the replies part. Figured to post it since I have it now.
I might also... review meta from DK just to make sure.

Replies:

How would his flip confirm my alignment?

This will be discussed if he flips because there are alot of things to be discussed. If I discuss it, it will just wreak the town havoc(because eventually, they will question it.. especially DK-scum) and town will lose focus. So not yet.
But I'm gonna spoil you and one of it is stating this:

Yeah, I have a good laugh when I read his posts. I like him.

Even if he claimed goon

, I wouldn't want him lynched D1.

This is what I'm talking about. Why the hell will a town keep a scum? Oh I think you said it. It's because he's a real killer, isn't he?
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Because this is a matter of utmost urgency, I would kindly ask every player to weigh in on this issue in their upcoming posts.

I would like a DK-scum vig-kill obviously. I need to learn more because I got me some suspicions that rely heavily on DK-scum flipping. And because I believe DK-scum is scum.
If the Town-Vig uses it now, he is just any other townie and the mafia would care less about him anymore. Though if he hits a mafia member, he will be a confirmed town. This might raise the mafia's panic-meter but if they kill the town-vig, this will divert their kill to town PRs.

[Spadille]

EBWOP:
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Because this is a matter of utmost urgency, I would kindly ask every player to weigh in on this issue in their upcoming posts.

I would like a DK-scum vig-kill obviously. I need to learn more because I got me some suspicions that rely heavily on DK-scum flipping. And because I believe DK-scum is scum.
If the Town-Vig uses it now, he is just any other townie and the mafia would care less about him anymore. Though if he hits a mafia member, he will be a confirmed town. This might raise the mafia's panic-meter but if they kill the town-vig, this will divert their kill to town PRs.

My opinion? Epic D-1 win. And who wouldn't want a longer day? Days are the only time we can talk. So if there will be two lynches in one day, better. We just need to maximize it with fast activity since there is a deadline,
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Don't be silly, for sure I needed to say I found him scum in order to pressure him. And I really THOUGHT he was the scummiest, but it was too early in the game to be SURE he was scum.

You actually said that you believe he was scum at the same post I took the "pressure vote" thingy:

My vote is on the one I beleive to be scum.

my vote is there for pressure because I think DKs the scummiest player of all.

All of that in ISO#15. Now please tell me, what really?
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Okay, I get now why all of you are accusing me of TunnelVision. It's because I'm not giving off reads, is it not? Well, I'm a man who disagrees with giving reads. It will give the scum the idea who the most townie player is. My playstyle, just changed after my newbie game, is never to give off reads as town. Keep in mind that I know what's the deal with Snarky, DJ or anyone else. I just pursue whom I believe is scummy. I don't see anything scummy or Anti-Town in my play, most probably even Pro-Town.

[[Low Key]]

When I first thought of when the vig should use their power (assuming they're town), I didn't think D1 was an ideal time to use it as I didn't think that we'd get THIS MUCH info out. I thought it would be more useful to use it D2 at the earliest when we could start establishing a clearer picture on who's who.

This is nice but doesn't address what is unclear about the original post. I will bold what I could not understand:

When I first opposed it I (as I said) thought it'd be a shot in the dark as I thought there were stronger chances at the time that the vig would shoot an innocent townie.

My thoughts on DK and zMuffinMan buddying up (which there is strong evidence of this on this page, with DK trying to direct Muffin and Snake to do what he wants) have blown that entire thought process away.

With their buddying up I felt that there was some sort of connection between the two so I felt the vig target should be used, I mean it's just flat-out suspicious how it appeared that DK would also turn to MuffinMan for help or tell him what to do.

I don't understand how this relates to your assertion that the vig should be used on D3?

[Toro]

The thing you bolded should actually be the reason why I switched it to Day 1. That doesn't relate to why I used to want it being used on D3 really, I put it in the wrong paragraph my bad.

[[Low Key]]

Well I still don't understand your thought processes at all. To clear it up, I would suggest the following:

1) Post your thought processes when you wanted the vig to be used D3.
2) Post the change in thought processes that caused to you agree with a D1 vig.
3) Explain how the bolded relates to number one and two.

I ask this because at this point I am thoroughly confused.

[Toro]

1. I thought that the vig would hit a townie more easily if we used it D1, but then again, this was all prior to DK blowing the door wide open.
2. Pretty much what you bolded was one of the reasons why I switched to the idea of a D1 Vig. I then realized a small problem if we held onto it for too long, the vig could be killed during each night phase before use by scum.
3. See 2.

[[Low Key]]

This was all prior to DK blowing the door wide open.

This is the point I don't understand. How did DK "blow the door open"?

[Toro]

This was all prior to DK blowing the door wide open.

This is the point I don't understand. How did DK "blow the door open"?

He's come off INCREDIBLY scummy (even for Day 1), and I suspect his flip could reveal MuffinMan's alignment.

[[Low Key]]

That's not the only reason I believe DK is scum, I'm not doing it just to see a flip,

I genuinely believe he's scum

. My vote's not going anywhere on him.

Using it on D1 kind of looks as if you're shooting blindly in the dark...

So if the town agrees with your first quote, then how does your second quote make any sense?

So after vigging off DK, who would be your candidate for a lynch?

May I ask why you asked me this question in response to my post?

[Toro]

Who's the second highest person on your scum list at the moment?

[[Low Key]]

Are you asking me that question right now in real time?

[Toro]

No, that's what I was asking in you in the quote you just brought up.

[[Low Key]]

My question to you though in post #314 was: Why did you ask me that question at that time in response to my question at that time?

The question still stands.

[zMuffinMan]

Cool.

Vig DK.

See him flip town.

Move on to lynching Toro-scum.

Nothing else to add.

[[Low Key]]

@Muffin: I am encouraged by your last post. Thank you. (I mean that sincerely)

@Toro: Your question to me (when I made that post many pages ago) was a direct dodge of the question that I asked you and I want to know:

1) Why did you dodge that question?
2) Why did you ask the question?

[Snarky]

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Don't be silly, for sure I needed to say I found him scum in order to pressure him. And I really THOUGHT he was the scummiest, but it was too early in the game to be SURE he was scum.

You actually said that you believe he was scum at the same post I took the "pressure vote" thingy:

My vote is on the one I beleive to be scum.

my vote is there for pressure because I think DKs the scummiest player of all.

All of that in ISO#15. Now please tell me, what really?

Your playing with words. I don't see how these three quotes are contradictory.


I still don't really agree with using the day-vig today, I think it would be preferable using it on day 2, but still, I see pros and cons for both, and using it today is maybe less risky, so I won't oppose it.

[popsofctown]

back, not able to post quite yet.

[Parabollocks]

the irony.

@mod i'm V/LA until Friday, i have simply been inactive, so no johns there, however, i'm dealing with exams right now so there's that, if you feel the need to replace me feel free to do so

[DeityKabuto]

You fucking scum

You just subbed in, and you already feel like scum

Snake, you don't have a reason.

I'm so fucking mad right now, I feel like there's two scum teams, and one scum team thinks that I'm scum on the other team, and vice-versa.

LIKE I SAID. I AM TOWNIE. GET YOUR MIND OVER IT.

Some of you guys are mentally deficient or are just purposely bringing the town down at the start.