Mini 1170: Nowhereville Mafia '11- Over!

[Espeonage]

Brilliant, we have tomorrow's lynch. Panzer, i don't care if you're town or not (If Earworm is you probably aren't) that was out of order. You ask for a claim instead. And you are only allowed to do that if they are at L-1 and you aren't on the wagon already.

[Elfen]

Well, Every since that self hammer thigny and what esp said, Pan has went leaning to the scum side. So what shall it be

1) A Pan lynch
2) Quin/Ear lynch

[charter]

If you think we're lynching Panzer for that, you're very wrong.

[Elfen]

xD I know, Well, if there is yet again another tornado watch, I may not be able to be on(And for some reason, mycomputer keeps me logged in most of the time) Soo Imma go with a quin/ear one later :/ but imam read to see what he has said.... Damn you texas weather Dx

[charter]

Brilliant, we have tomorrow's lynch. Panzer, i don't care if you're town or not (If Earworm is you probably aren't) that was out of order. You ask for a claim instead. And you are only allowed to do that if they are at L-1 and you aren't on the wagon already.

Oh wow, major FOS here. Once again, Espeonage continues to spit horrid mafia theory. Hasn't even thought about whether Panzer is town or scum, and yet is trying to lynch him tomorrow. Horrible idea. Scummy too.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Vote Count D-1 #11

(3) Kalofer- Supreme Overlord, SleepyKrew, LordChronos

(2) The Kool- cloudocean, earworm

(6) earworm- Espeonage, Panzerjager, CooLskins, charter, The Kool, Kalofer

(2) Not voting- Nobody Special, Elfen

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is June 3rd, Midnight Central.

Also, please, for my sanity, bold any and all V/LA's in the future, so I don't miss them like I embarssingly did a couple days ago.

[Elfen]

Oh wow.. ear is L-1?? Shouldn't he claim or w/e?? cause I would happily to oblige to hammer

[earworm]

Oh wow.. ear is L-1?? Shouldn't he claim or w/e?? cause I would happily to oblige to hammer

I take this as intent to hammer. I'm a VT.

[PJ.]

I don't see what was so out of line. If he were a PR, he'd have claimed when Kal put him at L-1 instead of pandering to us by talking about Quinn's actions that he said he wouldn't talk about. Also any analysis of his on Quinn's play would assuredly be seen through rose-colored glasses. In my humble opinion a self hammer is a sign of good will. I understand that is controversial but it hardly is something to call for my lynch on. At that cases' best, I'm eccentric, not scum.

Also how does him being town make me scum? The correct play is to lynch him today. Does being wrong mean everyone on the wagon is scum? No. I would look for people who jumped on the wagon in a scummy fashion, not the guy that built it.

As far as I can tell, all the rest of the day has to offer is talk about quinnster's play, which was scummy beyond defense. I'm ready for a lynch unless he has something to claim.

Preview Edit: I was correct in my first paragraph, lynch em

[SleepyKrew]

Some things I want to comment on. I will as soon as I can. Please, nobody hammer in the meantime.

[PJ.]

I think we need a replacement for Supreme Overlord

[CooLskins]

If you think we're lynching Panzer for that, you're very wrong.

I hate to quote people and say, "he is right." but in this case I must. Panzer has always been advocating the ear lynch. He wants ear dead. And if a slightly humoristic comment can get him lynched then so be it. He is NOT tomorrow's lynch at all.

@charter, is spitting out bad mafia theory scummy? Or just misinformed?

Brilliant, we have

tomorrow's lynch

. Panzer,

i don't care if you're town or not

(If Earworm is you probably aren't) that was out of order. You ask for a claim instead. And you are only allowed to do that if they are at L-1 and you aren't on the wagon already.

@espy, So you would lynch him even if you got a (theoretical) cop innocent on him? You are blindly lynching people without anilzing their posts to try to gain town credit.

What the heck, Panzer?

That is the most blatantly scummy thing I've ever heard to date!

Unless you have some serious reasoning to back that up... I have to agree with Ear on that one. Seriously, can anyone explain why there my ever be any reason to selfhammer aside from Mafia giving up? Asking someone to do so is utterly pointless in either case.

Same as above, you are just trying to lynch somebody (possibly to derail the ear wagon) who has made one bad post in order to gain town credit. And if that is the most scummy thing you have seen all day! why didn't you vote for him?

My personal view on the panzer thing is that people are over reacting to nothing. Today's lynch is ear worm period.

[The Kool]

Dude, the line RIGHT after the one you bolded. Starts with "Unless..." And note my vote remains on Ear. Why would I be trying to derail the Ear lynch? I was trying to find out WHY he did something that seems so stupidly scummy to me, not trying to lynch him for it.

Also, most 'blatantly' scummy. Blatantly scummy is often not actually scum. And one blatantly scum post is less scummy than a dozen suspicious posts any day.

[Nobody Special]

Still on the way to catching up. Wasn't able to read anything last night, but today will be better.

Panzer: Why would you SAY such a thing?? (The self-hammer thing. Perhaps it'll be more clear as I read ....? Or, well, no. Bad thing to say, unless the circumstances are VERY extenuating.)

charter: I've seen many situations where town has replaced out. Do you want me to find them? I know for a fact that I (under my alt account) have replaced out as town. I may have under this account, but I'm not sure.

(Elfen: Sorry about the family issues. Parents can be ...weird.)

ALSO: Please don't hammer until I get caught up, I'd GREATLY appreciate that. It really shouldn't be more than another two days.

[LordChronos]

Dude, the line RIGHT after the one you bolded. Starts with "Unless..." And note my vote remains on Ear. Why would I be trying to derail the Ear lynch? I was trying to find out WHY he did something that seems so stupidly scummy to me, not trying to lynch him for it.

Also, most 'blatantly' scummy. Blatantly scummy is often not actually scum. And one blatantly scum post is less scummy than a dozen suspicious posts any day.

This post makes no sense to me at all. Blatantly scummy is not from scum. One Blatantly scummy is less scummy than lots of suspicious stuff? What?

I also agree that while it was stupid of panzer to call for a self-hammer of earworm, we shouldn't lynch him for it.

[cloudocean]

I agree with LordChronos, people are making too big a deal out of the self-hammer call.

@CooLskins
Is there a reason why you're asking charter for the impact of bad mafia theory if you're calling Espeonage out on the same thing? (Disregarding alignment and setting up lynches).

[SleepyKrew]

Still waiting till I get to a computer to post my thoughts. However, I just want everyone to read LC's above post and laugh in the meantime.
I was going to hammer after my "thoughts" post, but I'll wait for NS.

[The Kool]

Dude, the line RIGHT after the one you bolded. Starts with "Unless..." And note my vote remains on Ear. Why would I be trying to derail the Ear lynch? I was trying to find out WHY he did something that seems so stupidly scummy to me, not trying to lynch him for it.

Also, most 'blatantly' scummy. Blatantly scummy is often not actually scum. And one blatantly scum post is less scummy than a dozen suspicious posts any day.

This post makes no sense to me at all. Blatantly scummy is not from scum. One Blatantly scummy is less scummy than lots of suspicious stuff? What?

I also agree that while it was stupid of panzer to call for a self-hammer of earworm, we shouldn't lynch him for it.

To put it simply, scum usually guard themselves better than to do something so blatantly stupid that it just screams "I'M SCUM!". I am much more inclined to suspect someone who is consistently scummy on a more 'small slip-up' level.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

hiplop

replaces

Supreme Overlord

!

Welcome to the game hip

-Midnight

[charter]

@charter, is spitting out bad mafia theory scummy? Or just misinformed?

Depends, but in Espeonage's case, I think it's misinformed.

charter: I've seen many situations where town has replaced out. Do you want me to find them? I know for a fact that I (under my alt account) have replaced out as town. I may have under this account, but I'm not sure.

If you think it's a similar situation, where someone slipped up huge, then immediately replaced out, then sure. I will take a look at one or two.


SleepyKrew is looking megascummy with that comment about how he was going to hammer. At first he defended Earworm with bad logic, but now that it's painfully obvious Earworm is going to get lynched, he's ready to hop on board. Never mind the fact that he's only said he finds him town and now there's a mysterious 180 degree turn. Looks to me like he's trying to get on the tail end of the scumwagon in a feeble attempt at buying town cred.

[hiplop]

hey just got the pm, going to read thread

[SleepyKrew]

kk, "thoughts" after this post. But first:
It would be anti-town to not hammer here. The town feels as though ear is the proper lynch, and is ready to gogogo. My read on him as town is purely gut, and I have said several times I might be wrong. Now will you stop tunneling and actually contribute?

[SleepyKrew]

@thetown
Ok. So, Panzer's comment was scummy. That doesn't make him auto-scum. Major FoS on Esp for saying (paraphrasing here) "We have tomorrow's lynch. Who cares if he's town?". I also see nearly everyone has Kalofer on scum or leaning scum, and nobody has him as town (or if you do, my bad, I missed that). So then why isn't he the lynch today?! But yeah, I'm okay with an ear lynch, but there are still those 4 people I'd rather have first.

[SleepyKrew]

@charter
On re-reading, I saw this.

But the "replaced out" logic has already been disproven.

Unfortunately, you saying something doesn't mean it's true. Of times I've seen a situation similar to this, I cannot recall one where the person replacing out was town. Always scum who got busted.

So, ignore the fact he also replaced out of his other game, ignore he hasn't logged on in five days, and assume he's lying and that there isn't actually something going on in his life? Yeah, sure.

Now, to those goddamn questions.

charter, if I am obvscum (which btw, I'd like to see a point detailing reasons), then why do I only have one vote against me?
The deal was offered, like I said, while I was flustered. I cannot justify it because there is no excuse.

Sleepy, I already highlighted why you were scum, you didn't respond to it at all, which says you agree with my points.

It's scummy to say that I'm not the only person using my logic? How so? I was asking Kal what separated me from the pack. Sure enough, I got the "I like bandwagons" post. Then there's the part where you thought I was talking about Kool when I was actually talking about Kalofer. That's all I see. Maybe I'm not looking close enough? Open my eyes please.

None of that has anything to do with what I said in 255

So let's go on over to 255:

What I find suspicious about Sleepy:
The way he went WAY overboard pursuing Elfin. Really looks like scum trying to capitalize on noobtown acting scummy.
64, the scumbomb that Sleepy has dropped. When accused and voted for something, instead of defending his reasoning, he immediately points fingers at other people. Very common for scum to try and shift blame on to others rather than defend their actions. Does this again in 76.
135 and 137 is just reaching because Espeonage is calling people town and Sleepy doesn't like his reasoning. Sleepy thinks that others should find them suspicious. I do this EXACT same thing all the time as scum.

Now answer.

[Nobody Special]

charter: I've seen many situations where town has replaced out. Do you want me to find them? I know for a fact that I (under my alt account) have replaced out as town. I may have under this account, but I'm not sure.

If you think it's a similar situation, where someone slipped up huge, then immediately replaced out, then sure. I will take a look at one or two.

Well, I guess I spoke without knowing the entire situation. That'll teach me to jump into current events while still reading the thread.