DUM 282 wrote:#61.... powering on.... annoying alert.... smells like an annoying idiosyncratic post that's not actually a PR but Vi is trying to be funny. Not funny.
DUM 282 wrote:Crap. I'm only on the bottom of page 4. HHHHHNNNNNNNGGGGGGG
There is a lot of this type of fluff in this post. You are posting too much to have a bunch of points in this vein. Although I generally like your content, it's entirely too bloated. Let's cut it back a bit, please. I don't want to hear every little thought that crosses you mind. If you insist on posting things like this, then please spoiler tag it.
DUM 282 wrote:#98 by Rayfrost is scummy for multiple reasons: 1) weak response to MagisterLudi (gut scummy, too!) and because he says we shouldn't work out the duel mechanic, we should look for scum instead. SCUM ARE ALWAYS SAYING WE SHOULD LOOK FOR SCUM! I don't know why, but it's their bane in life. Not only do they hate the fact that town is organizing, but they hate the fact that people are finding scum ALREADY. So what they do is they say "HERP DERP HAY GUYS GO SCUMHUNT. STOP ORGANIZING LULZ" and they make themselves OBV OBV like RF just did.
There's one thing about him that I have been meaning to bring up. He feels a little like he's all over the place. He feels a little sloppy, a little like he's constantly having to go back and clarify himself. Take this as you will, but it's not giving me a great impression. He started off good though, so, I don't know. I guess it's about a wash right now. He's on a downward slope right now though.
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Toast 295 wrote:What can I say, I like compromise. Its not like either opinion is ZOMG WRONG, but neither is perfect either. So, somewhere inbetween seems like a good option.
The point is that there is little middle ground between them, if any. This is entirely a political issue, so I have problems with you not choosing a side. When you say you want more consensus and majority rule, then you turn around and say AGM has a point and one player should be able to duel if they feel strongly enough about it... that's, like, two opposite things. Why won't you back down from this?
Toast 295 wrote:There's a reason they're both null reads(I'll make a list)--its because I don't fully agree with what they are saying/what they are doing
They're both null reads? Really? You have no opinion whatsoever as to whether elvis or mykonian are scum or town? I call bs.
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Max 296 wrote:no. Town chooses pro-town player to duel scummy player. The point is we think the scummy player will be mafia.
I agree with this. Max wasn't the first person to bring it up (I know AGM brought it up earlier, but he was responding to someone else).
Max, with this added condition, do you agree to the plan? Essentially what we're doing is still "lynching" a player, but when they get to, like, L-2, with intent to lynch, then the person who is going to duel will duel them.
Max 296 wrote:There is a clear inconsistency here.
Good catch, Max. I'm feeling better about you, I think. RF is looking worse for this. It may seem like it's irrelevant, but I think it's actually fairly interesting that he would be inconsistent over something so trivial. It shows me that he may be trying to say whatever he thinks will buy him town points rather than what he actually feels to be the case.
Max 296 wrote:By the way RC's suggestions for the duel against gamma seem a little too close to the easy route for me. With the exception of B bros(whom I never played with before) I probably could of told you before the game that the other 3 people he suggested would be early suspects.
So? Do you have an issue with any of the players I listed dying today? If so, why?
Seriously, if you start the "easy lynch" argument with me, I'm not going to be a happy camper, Max. And here I was starting to like you.
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Amrun 303 wrote:I'm having a hard time engaging with this game for some reason, probably due to all the setup and flavor spec.
You may be in too many games.
Amrun 303 wrote:However, you seem to use that to accuse me of being scum. What about me being off my game suggests that I am scum? What about my scum game suggests that this is true? I will save you some time: my scum record is perfect and I have never been lynched as scum. I have never yet been off my game as scum, so why are you suggesting I am starting now?
Well I wasn't making solely a meta argument per se (although I can understand why you'd think this). I'm more concerned with your lack of scumhunting. You mentioned that you wanted to join the ML wagon based primarily off of what others had to say. This is a red flag, but I'd be willing to discount it if you had your own unique perspectives you were working on in addition to this. Other than your minuscule conversation with DK, there just hasn't been much Amrun sticking her neck out for any specific cause. Additionally, I don't recall you talking about the mechanics much at all.
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Iec 305 wrote:That part is just trying to give you the flavor background because you said you didn't know it, but the flavor background was irrelevant. The scumslip itself was very standard ("scum shows they know the set-up").
I don't mean to be annoying about this, but could you point me to the post where he did this and comment on it again? Or if you could just link me directly to the post where you did this earlier? I mean, I'm rereading over your post 129, and it doesn't look like he's ruling anything out. He's saying that he can think of three prominent characters that could be used for a three-person scumteam, sure, but this doesn't read to me like he's saying it
has
to be a three-person scumteam. Am I missing something?
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AGM 307 wrote:If you just posted in your hydra, this wouldn't be a problem, because then there wouldn't be a non-RedCoyote "RC" in this game.
This, Reaper.
Of course it's still good advice to be specific about the player your are referencing, but if you don't post in your Reaper account then that shouldn't be an issue.
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Amrun 308 wrote:That being said, I think my vote will be on elvis_knits after the re-read. FoS elvis.
Huh? Why? Did you mention elvis at all before this post? And I don't see you mentioning her at all inside this post either. What gives?
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Vi 310 wrote:Contradictory messages detected within single post.
This is over my head. Grey isn't suspecting DUM.
Vi 310 wrote:Buddying detected. Deferment of GreyICE-scum done too easily. Scumlist resembles lynchbait list.
Whoops, you made a bit of a typo there, Virosoft.
Townread
detected. Big difference.
Additionally, like I told Max, we'll be going at it if you think you're going to nab me with the idea that I'm going for "easy lynches". First off, it's D1. Secondly, I've never played with BB, Toast, or C-Worl (aside from an ongoing game we're currently in) before. Thirdly, this will obviously be changing over the course of the game. C-Worl and Amrun especially have room to improve upon their game (It's slightly different in the cases of BB and Toast because I think they're significantly worse than the other two).
I mean, these are lynches I'd prefer right now, but if I was just constructing a so-called "lynchbait" list, then why would DUM, DK, or Kat not be on there? It's a poor argument if you ask me; I don't characterize players in that elitist fashion. Every player has room to go up are down. They all start from the same spot. It just so happens that I think the four players I chose for that summary have all done enough for me to be content with getting rid of them at this point.
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Amrun 313 wrote:In general, your attacks on Mykonian and AGM were always bad. Bad attacks can come from town, but when it becomes a pattern, I pay attention more.
I'm sorry, but why didn't you mention this at the time? I even brought up the idea that I was worried about you not posting enough individual input into this game.
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DK 324 wrote:What I am finding scummy about you, is that you are trying to pressure me when I haven't really done anything in the essence of actually being scummy.
I do not like this sentence at all, but...
DK 327 wrote:It does not make a person scummy for not scumhunting, not everyone can play the "predator" or else their would be little to no prey, and things would be hectic. But in the long-run, sometimes the "prey" sees behind the "predators" actions and takes a step forward.
I do like these two.
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RF 334 wrote:It's a joke. I joke about stuff.
It still doesn't explain why you contradicted yourself. I think you're dodging the issue here.
RF 334 wrote:C-worl / Ludi / Unicorn Madness = scum.
What do you have to say about this, then, Viboard?
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Vi 339 wrote:Recollection invoked of ToastyToast being lynchalicious (Cowboy Bebop Remix). ToastyToast deemed a favorable lynch by scummy players.
Pure meta then?
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Grey 343 wrote:I'm actually kind of impressed that none of the wagons are silly except the ToastyToast one.
Uh, does that mean you think your wagon is valid?
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Iec 350 wrote:TownAmrun has historically shared them, though. In
Follow The Cop, I got the sense that your playstyle was "find your friends with specific questions, then lynch from the remainder." Here your playstyle seems like "find the scum with specific questions(/observations), then lynch them." Both are legitimate playstyles, but the contrast has me nervous.
There's too much meta crap going on in this game. Here's an idea: ignore meta for once in your (not you specifically, Iec, but you're included) life and lynch people based on what they've done in this game.
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elvis 355 wrote:I'm just being honest that it is my intention to wagon people who are scummy and apply pressure to solidify reads. And I can't really wagon alone. Wagonning is a group activity.
Fair enough. You're one of the few people making a lot of sense in this game anyways.
Unvote
;
vote: Amrun
(Poor Amrun, I feel like I've been doing this to her a lot).
It should also be noted that I still have Toast as much number one lynch, but I'm thinking, based on a lot of the posts I've read, that he's not going to be able to get a lot of support at the moment. The more he posts, however, the more chances we'll have at rectifying this dilemma.
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RF 356 wrote:You've got
two
reads. No other reads at all. That's the issue. I've gotten plenty of reads even if they are slight and have stated them while you've said essentially nothing about the game state.
You're "plan" is essentially "fuck you guys I do what I want" - please to be explaining how this is good play. Even if you trust your reads to that extent... if we think you're scum we'll have you lose the duel you initiate meaning you'll only empower your "scum read" that you dueled. This is why your plan won't be effectual regarding the duel mechanic.
Agreed.
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inHim 360 wrote:Scum are the ones probably thinking about two teams, and then you go ahead and list them out as two teams?
For purposes of putting a game together, I could easily see Mafia portrayed as an alliance of Wu and Shu.
Okay, I see what you're saying here. Iec, if you're reading this, this is exactly what I was looking for. This is the point you were making right?
Anyways, I can agree with this, inHim.
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ML 365 wrote:Iecerint is basically continuing to stonewall around here and fixate primarily on one thing, a supposed scumslip he found. It's an easy tactic to use as scum, most players use it, and its quite effective. Tunnel over a minor issue on a town player, throw out a few reads and speculation and coast through as town chops itself to bits. I see exactly this in his play.
What about what inHim just said though?
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Amrun 370 wrote:But there's not much to substantiate it.
Story of your game so far.
ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
