Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[sottyrulez]

EBWOP: Not sure why it posted the way it did up there.

What about my claim made your night plum?

Also: DDD's powers are like... 100% antitown but I can't really follow why scum would honestclaim here.

RayFrost and DDD claimed the same Domains (hahahaha Ythill and I have the same domains or what I am

rolling

).

I'm not inclined to believe there are two Townies with identical domains.

The question becomes are you really less than half the mafia player I hear you are and are pathetically playing out guess the mod here or if you're just scum fishing for an easy lynch.

This post says hi

Vote: DDD

Since I'm posting it again it seems like you conclude that the claim makes DDD less likely scum, but then it kinda feels like you look for a way to vote him anyway. It comes off feeling forced to me.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Not inclined to believe something means I don't think it's

likely

and that should be a major consideration as we continue to gather and act on information. While I'm not sure what it indicates, it may well indicate something amiss. You yourself claimed some degree of paranoia regarding RF because your claimed domains are identical.

Sure I'm paranoid about that like I'm paranoid about a bunch of things, but notice I never put logic aside to play the mod-WIFOM game. Sure it itched at me but since I had no better reason to believe Ray-scum I didn't push it beyond a mention of said paranoia.

You on the other hand unvoted scum-NS and gave a defined opinion on the matter, "I'm not inclined to believe there are two Townies with identical domains." You can try to spin that however you like but everyone reading knows that means, "I think at least one of these two players is scum based solely on mod-WIFOM" and then once I called you out on that you changed it to, "Well I'm not sure what it means".

I'm pretty sure everyone is going to see right through your spin and see the bolded truth.

My question lies with your choice of Night 1 domain Worship. Why choose Justice?

N1 was an easy choice, a town read of mine in ooba called to power up Justice and/or Balance and thus I complied while also powering up another pro-town player in myself by worshipping Justice.

[RayFrost]

Since I'm posting it again it seems like you conclude that the claim makes DDD less likely scum, but then it kinda feels like you look for a way to vote him anyway. It comes off feeling forced to me.

I am the definition of Reaction Fisher. And his reaction is :goodposting:

It was forced, bro. Though how you'd think it was scummy when the main wagoning going down here is on NS is losing me.

Unvote Vote: NobodySpecial

<--- This guy's scum.

DDD just has anti-town powers that

he has chosen to not use

if he actually has them. Making him pro-town more likely and then the fact he actually shows the contradiction in level of "paranoia" on the same domain thing shows :goodlogic:.

The reaction fish was actually not for DDD. It was for you. :shades: Sotty, how's life? Who's scum?

[Parama]

High Priest of MagnaofIllusion

Justice / Verbosity

Lawful Neutral

1) ROAR - The player targeted will be force to target you that night. (worthless...)
3) Died on Night... - You will become immune to one nightkill. (worthless for me since I rarely draw nightkills)
3) Quote Stripes - The player you target will be unable to perform any actions that night. (<3 <3 <3)
4) Noted - You may investigate a player and determine their alignment. If you investigate an evil or chaotic player you will recieve a guilty even if they are not guilty.
5) STOP TROLLING! - Once per game, you may kill one player in the game, but only if that player has voted you at least three times over the course of the game.

N0 - Worshipped Verbosity
N1 - (2 Faith) Worshipped Justice (glad I didn't noaction n1; would've just ended up wasting a night.)
N2 - (4 Faith) Used Noted on Plum. OH HEY GUYS PLUM IS TOWN. STOP LYNCHING HER. (ps nobody worth vigging had voted me three times, so nobody got viggeded. probably for the better in the end. didn't claim my investigation yet because Plum wasn't in any danger of lynch (still isn't? anyways))
----> Gained a tracker ability overnight
N3 - (2 Faith) Worshipped Will (apparently this plan went to hell somewhere though)

5) Faraday
14) ooba
19) Seraphim

...
I have to make one of these practically confirmed townies claim? <_<

Faraday, I guess.

P-Edit: ...eh. I dunno about that Ray. Maybe he didn't use them because he knew hell would break lose if he claimed to have used them? I really see no way for DDD to be town here.

[sottyrulez]

I really hate that post.

The name of "reaction fishing" can be invoked to justify almost anything.

If you want to know who we think is scum, why don't you read our posts? I mean it's all there before we went and started ZZZZZZ when massclaim started.

Though something we haven't yet mentioned, Demonic's claim stands out to us, and not in a good way.

[sottyrulez]

Ninjaed. Was referencing Ray's 1827.

[Plum]

DDD: Uh huh. Please flail and twist more. I'm paranoid, or however you want to call it, and I say so - while I'm not sure of it, it's quite likely that it means something is off, enough to unvote, take a little time, and think and see whether further information influences interpretation of the fact. I speak of this paranoia because it's worth Town consideration. You're paranoid - enough to mention it out loud and proud. You may be paranoid about lots of things, but you felt strongly enough about this paranoia to mention it and give some weight to it (which apparently was only negated by a truth-tell on RF's part). You do not say such a thing if you do not want the Town to be considering/influenced by that possibility.

I meant to ask about your Night 0 Worship motivations, not Night 1. My bad.

Preview edit: Yoooo, Parama. <3

[RayFrost]

How about I kill DDD tonight and we lynch NS and then it becomes moot.

<---- Begging for a NK.

[RayFrost]

I really hate that post.

The name of "reaction fishing" can be invoked to justify almost anything.

If you want to know who we think is scum, why don't you read our posts? I mean it's all there before we went and started ZZZZZZ when massclaim started.

Though something we haven't yet mentioned, Demonic's claim stands out to us, and not in a good way.

My post loves you anyway.

And so... I voted DDD someone who I stated a belief to be town who hadn't had a large number of people claim suspicion of (contrast with who I was voting: NS) and then backtracked on it as a "reaction fish" because... why?

My issue is the lack of anything about the claims being mentioned. I like claim stuffs being talked about.

Also: lack of faith costs for demonic's abilities yes? I noted that and asked as well.

[Parama]

Hold on a sec, in case someone skims my posts and misses the important bit:

I HAVE A COP INNOCENT ON PLUM. WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HER EVER. THANKS

[sottyrulez]

Argh.

Unvote:

Don't want to concede our case on Plum, but the odds of her being scum just dropped. NS is more than an acceptable lynch.

(I was going to move to NS, but I think it might be the hammer at this point which would cut off massclaim.)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Actually all parama has is confirmation that Plum's alignment is not chaotic or neutral; there's no confirmation as far as I can tell that scum are only chaotic and/or evil and making that assumption would seem to make the game extremely easy to break.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

EBWOP: Actually all parama has is confirmation that Plum's alignment is not chaotic or evil; there's no confirmation as far as I can tell that scum are only chaotic and/or evil and making that assumption would seem to make the game extremely easy to break.

[Parama]

Uh DDD it's a cop inno and my cop can only return inno on town.

[ooba]

Actually all parama has is confirmation that Plum's alignment is not chaotic or neutral; there's no confirmation as far as I can tell that scum are only chaotic and/or evil and making that assumption would seem to make the game extremely easy to break.

He's a cop who is Paranoid on evil or chaotic. An innocent result confirms plum?

[sottyrulez]

Uh DDD it's a cop inno and my cop can only return inno on town.

There is the possibility of investigation immunity or that scum have powers to return bad results, but those possibilities are less likely than the result being accurate.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

4) Noted - You may investigate a player and determine their

alignment

. If you investigate an evil or chaotic player you will recieve a guilty even if they are not guilty.

My alignment is neutral good, my allegiance is town; as far as I can parse he's going to get guilties on chaotic and/or evil players and town on everyone else which tells me nothing about their ALLEGIANCE, just about their alignment.

[AlmasterGM]

...sounds like Parama fucked up his (fake?) claim.

[sottyrulez]

I could see him reading allegiance as alignment.

It's something he needs to clarify though.

[AlmasterGM]

Yeah, me too - which is why (fake?) is in parenthesis.

In any case, if his ability costs 4), it's definitely an allegiance cop, since I can alignment-cop plus more for just 2) faith.

[Parama]

I paraphrased and I am not a wordsmith; role PM says I get their allegiance as "guilty" or "innocent" and I'm assuming that I return guilty on mafia and any potential 3rd parties.

[Demonic Angel]

Erp... fail reading amplified by sickness.

Plum is probably town.
DDD is probably scum.

Though, I'm kind of curious as to why you decided to worship Asceticism, Plum.

[Demonic Angel]

Parama is town.

[Demonic Angel]

Faith Costs:

(1) RB
(2) Research
(4) Other Stuff
(4) "
(4) "
(6) "

I think that's right.

[Plum]

Erp... fail reading amplified by sickness.

Plum is probably town.
DDD is probably scum.

Though, I'm kind of curious as to why you decided to worship Asceticism, Plum.

I gave a guess at something which might do the least damage in terms of scum gaining from it when I decided to Worship (given my hope that Asceticism-roles would be more likely to have more support-type powers and fewer death-spam powers); it was little if at all better than random pick from domain's which weren't mine, which was my main ideal in Night 0 Worship strategy. Beecause as far as I could see, I as Town wouldn't be getting anything out of my Night 0 Worship because it took away the chance to use the Faith Night 1, so the pool of people who shared any one of my domains had one known Townie known to not get anything out of it, and so was statistically less likely to help Town given the assumption that all domains had roughly the same number of attached roles (and if not, on average) and percentage-wise more likely to help scum.