Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[Amrun]

My interest was sparked, but I've been beating the same horse for awhile now and now my interest is waning. That is the natural progression of such things.

Unacceptable reason to give up on your case. If LMP were dead, I'd vote you. I'll probably end up doing it anyway.

I am not giving up on my case. Where is my vote right now?


I just think that the back and forth between Beefster and I has accomplished all it is going to for now.


Zdenek: You have just demonstrated to me that you do not read the thread. When asked for my opinoin of you, I went straight from memory because I do read the thread - amazing, right? I remembered being bothered by your "placeholder" SnakePlissen vote that you later tried to justify, but really liking your thoughts that camme with your Pine vote. One good point + one bad point = null. If 0pine had flipped scum, your good points would have outweighed the bad. I said all of this in less words in my other post. Gut leans town on you. Why are you nitpicking my read on you so? You can't know how I arrived at it, and what is more, it doesn't matter at all. Does my play read like someone who is avoiding confrontation? Not at all. As ABR said, I have been aggressive. Please try to make more sense.

I have already answered in very explicit terms why I think Beefster is scum and what bothers my gut to make me think he might be town in a previous post, so I won't do your reading for you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Aggressive towards poor Beefster who submits to your verbal beatings.

[Amrun]

Still dodging all my questions, ABR?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Drop the attitude with me or you will continue to be ignored.

[Amrun]

I was cooperative and answered your questions. And the attitude is all in your mind, for the record.

[Beefster]

Still dodging all my questions, ABR?

I'm not sure you really know what it means to dodge a question. (Let alone ALL of them) Dodging questions =/= not answering them. ABR (and myself) have not been answering questions for one reason or another (perhaps he didn't see it, and thus, didn't know there was a question to answer). That's a null-tell in my book.

Here's an example of dodging a question:
Q: What do you think of Amrun?
A: Amrun has been attacking Beefster for quite a while, but I think Beefster is town.

or another more generic one:
Q: Mr. President, what do you propose to do with the national debt?
A: The debt is a problem, but if every child in America was given a proper education, life would be so much better.

The difference between these and not answering questions- dodging a question acknowledges that it's there, then quickly changes the subject to avoid divulging excess information. Not answering a question usually entails not knowing there was a question to be answered.

Not everyone reads as closely as you do. You gotta help the less observant of us and bring to attention the questions you want us to answer. Imagine if you were president, and I gave you 10 questions to answer, but didn't leave you enough room between them to answer them individually- and just interrupted you before you could finish your first sentence... EVERY TIME. Now imagine you miss a couple questions after trying to remember them all. What would be your response if I said, "Answer my questions!"? I'd hardly call that dodging... and that's exactly what you've been doing to us the the entire game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was cooperative and answered your questions. And the attitude is all in your mind, for the record.

Albert, will you please answer a question I asked a few posts back? For reference, here it is again so you can save time.

[Beefster]

@Amrun, and really everyone: Quit burying questions in the middle of paragraphs. If you want someone to answer a question, you need to put it out in the open.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do you find Beefster scummy or not?

I will form an opinion once I get a better sense of his overall strategy in the game.

[Beefster]

Not answering a question could also be that you don't consider the question relevant enough to answer.

[Amrun]

I would quote the questions, but I post 95% of the time from my phone and you have no idea how annoying it is to quote parts of posts on there.

I did ask other questions in posts you responded to, such as, "Do you agree that Beefster's attacks on me were bad?"

When you respond to the post but not to the question, the natural assumption is dodge.

[Beefster]

Interesting (unrelated) sidenote:
At the rate we're going, D1 could have more pages than it did in OoT Mafia if we use the whole time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think Beefster should use phrases like "circular logic" without properly explaining what he means, but you definitely overreacted to that.

[Beefster]

When you respond to the post but not to the question, the natural assumption is dodge.

...Or lack of importance. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

That's like saying that all doors have windows on them... So when you come across a windowless door, you say it's not a door because it doesn't have a window on it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Amrun, where do you stand on IceyCupcake now?

[Beefster]

I don't think Beefster should use phrases like "circular logic" without properly explaining what he means

You're probably right. We all have different definitions for things. Leads to all sorts of misrep.

[inHimshallibe]

I started a mild reread, but decided I didn't care.

Amrun/ABR/Beefster doesn't seem all that interesting, really.

[Amrun]

Amrun, where do you stand on IceyCupcake now?

I am not sure, tbh.

Still town, probably, or harmless third party, but they haven't added anything of significance to the game except Grey's stance on RBT.

[inHimshallibe]

Couple of people tossed gand's name out there, none have joined me. Let's explore the green one a bit further.

[IceyCupcake]

WUT

Okay, so we didn't do anything to derail the lynches of SGRaize and Beefster?

Whether you think they're town or scum, THOSE ACTIONS AREN'T NULL AND THEY SURE AS SHIT AREN'T NOTHING.

BAD SCUMBAG IS BAD

[IceyCupcake]

Couple of people tossed gand's name out there, none have joined me. Let's explore the green one a bit further.

No lets explore Amrun a bit further. You tossed out that you weren't too happy with her a few pages back regarding the Beef wagon. Where are you now?

[Amrun]

Gandalf's reactions to wagons are usually telling.

Unvote; vote: gandalf

Not liking Beefster's current buddying with ABR, but it's time to explore new avenues.

P-edit: chill out. I still have you as a town read, so keep your panties on.

[IceyCupcake]

Pretty sure gandalf is town though...

~Katsuki

SIGN YOUR GODDAMN POSTS GI

[Amrun]

I'm on the fence about gandalf. He has done some things I see as town and some scummy things. But after a wagon forms on him, I've always (so far) gotten a correct read on him.

[IceyCupcake]

HEY KATSUKI

YOU'RE LUCKY I'M POSTING FROM THE HYDRA THIS OFTEN.

MAFIA WITH THE HYDRAS HAD POSTS FROM GREYMARBLE, ICEYCUPCAKE, AND GREYICE.

PLUS I SIGN MY POSTS, SEE?