Newbie 1104 -- Game over

[Twistedspoon]

Espe or Otolia?
who needs my vote more?

VOTE: Otolia

easy. Hate to let noragar walk off but he's not today's lynch. I prefer Lord of Graves- I mean Otolia

I'm confident frostbite is town too

[chkflip]

Yes, yes.

VOTE: Otoalia

How are things?

What are your reads? Reasons? Top three scumreads at least, please. Thanks.

I don't know about frostbite; he needs to post more.

[Twistedspoon]

frostbite is cleared for sure if otolia flips scum

Lord of graves was so close to hammering him and even Otolia has said he could be scum, but not obviously enough for him to get credit from it has a bus

[gbevilchaos]

This of course doesn't mean that noragar couldn't be scum. He just isn't dumb scum if he is. I was fishing for a tell, and didn't get one.

How do you know all of this?

seriously this is advancedish stuff. I thought this was your first game?

I have repeatedly said that I'm concurrently playing in a few games on other sites. In total, I'm playing 6 games right now (originally 4, but I was asked to replace into 2 others). I've played multiple role playing games in the past that aren't the same as Mafia, but involve some of the same elements. Finally, I read up on basic game theory in the Wiki and possess the common sense to take the basic game theory and develop my own ideas about the game.

If I get NK'd, look at TS. He seems surprised by the level of thought I've put behind my actions, so if he's scum, he may try to NK me to prevent me from figuring him out. He's been vague-ish in several of his posts when he goes to vote for someone (for an IC, anyway), so I consider him a scum candidate.

I don't consider him the most likely player for scum, but I want to make sure that my thoughts on that are out there in case I don't survive the night.

[CaptainCuddles]

I still don't get why you guys think frostbite is town, just based on what he's said so far. I'm not pushing for his lynch or anything but TS and gb both kind of skipped over him after he said "I go to a boarding school." What the hell? TS, can you give me some town tells you got from Frostbite?

[chkflip]

frostbite is cleared for sure if otolia flips scum

Lord of graves was so close to hammering him and even Otolia has said he could be scum, but not obviously enough for him to get credit from it has a bus

This pretty much covers it.

I'd like to get reads from chaos and cuddles as well since you're both in the area.

[Twistedspoon]

I still don't get why you guys think frostbite is town, just based on what he's said so far. I'm not pushing for his lynch or anything but TS and gb both kind of skipped over him after he said "I go to a boarding school." What the hell? TS, can you give me some town tells you got from Frostbite?

basically he's just as strong a town read as you are at the moment, but if otolia flips scum he's confirmed practically

I have confidence otolia will flip scum

[Twistedspoon]

seriously, there is no town motivation for not giving reads

I've played with scum before who either didn't read the thread enough or didn't make reads since they already knew who was not scum

I was confident in a Lord of Graves lynch
now I'm even more so

[Twistedspoon]

Finally, I read up on basic game theory in the Wiki and possess the common sense to take the basic game theory and develop my own ideas about the game.

okay, that's cool
now you can help lynch otolia/Lord Of Graves over noragar

@Flippy: have you ever played in a game with alliances? If so what is your opinion on them?

[CaptainCuddles]

All right, that doesn't give me the confidence that frostbite is an obvious town but whatever works for you guys (obvious town is more of an exaggeration btw).

I still don't like how Otolia hasn't posted his reads on people like I believe TS has asked to before. LoG replaced out when he was starting to get some attention from people so that gives me some suspicion towards Otolia as well. Definitely suspicion on Otolia, but I'm not pushing for anyone's lynch (Otolia, Frost, and Espe) until they post a bit more.

[chkflip]

Spoon, I have not, but I have taken notice to people succumbing to pressure when a voting bloc is formed.

Was I that obvious? lawl

[Twistedspoon]

Case why Forstbite is 99% town if Otolia flips scum

Vote: Frostbite

So he hasn't been around and I don't even think he confirmed then he swoops in and puts a guy at L-1. Lurking plus trying to get a quick lynch on the fifth page. Smells like scum.

But my main reason is because he said he wanted to stay alive. Newbie reasoingn? Maybe. But only scum should ever try to appease town.

Goes for frostbite. Even puts him at L-1. This would be a seriously bad tactic to bus their partner to almost lynch so early especially when there is so little evidence on him in RVS. Scum usually only bus when their partner is going down anyways or has more solid scumminess so that they can get credit for the scumflip. No credit would have been gained in this instance since it was an RVS wagon and no-one could tell if frosty was scum or not. Therefore it cannot be a bus

also...

So we have a guy at L-1 and all you do is talking about your personal business. Show some seriousness, when someone is at L-1, you are supposed to discuss that situation. If you don't, you are a bad townie unless, well, you are scum ...

hints that frostbite could be scum, yet it's so subtle it cannot be a bus as he wouldn't be able to get credit should frosty flip scum.

So that's why I think frostbite is really likely to be town if Otolia flips scum

Otolia lynch = -1 mafia and +1 obvtownie

what's not to like?

[Twistedspoon]

Spoon, I have not, but I have taken notice to people succumbing to pressure when a voting bloc is formed.

Was I that obvious? lawl

obvious at what?
my question was just a side question

I have 5 very strong tow reads so in theory a pressure group/alliance could be formed. I'm not sure if that's newbie game level though. I hadn't been in one either until recently in team mafia :p

[chkflip]

Otolia's play is a little scummy overall, though. I can link to a recently ended town win with him being the hammer in lylo.

These sentences seem contradictory; what I'm saying is that he has his ups and his downs. It'd be best to shake him first, for sure.

Obvious at basically sheeping your votes thus far.

[CaptainCuddles]

Ah thanks TS. Makes sense now.

Unvote: 198Frostbite

[gbevilchaos]

Wow, I'm an idiot. I missed this page of posts when I was reading before.

Here are my reads, although I have been giving them frequently throughout the thread.

Espe and chkflip - Difficult because they've been inactiveish, but probably town
Otolia - probably scum. Otolia is more of a town read than Lord of Graves, but it sounds like he's just covering up for LoG's mistakes
TS - probably town
CC - seems like noob town to me
Frost - seems like noob town as well
Noragar - might be scum, but I'm unsure at the moment - definitely not a target for Day 1 lynch, we need more info on him

Unvote Vote Otolia

The more I see from you, the more it seems you're covering up the mistakes of LoG. You haven't helped much new discussion. This recent post bothers me.

Now we have to decide. Do we lynch a VT because we don't want to force more claims or do we target another player ?

How do you know for sure that noragar is a VT? Town would have some conditional clause in there. You seem too sure. You're a much better target than noragar ever was. I still don't understand the bandwagon on him.

[chkflip]

L-2, yes?

Let's give him some time to respond before further pressure, please.

But you don't have to listen to me.

[198Frostbite]

V/LA Until the 20th of June. Exams have finally caught up with me. You can replace me if you want.

[Twistedspoon]

L-2, yes?

Let's give him some time to respond before further pressure, please.

aww you're no fun

V/LA Until the 20th of June. Exams have finally caught up with me. You can replace me if you want.

if so then I look forwards to the next time we play together my fine feathered friend

I might as well give my reads again

chkflip - Most likely town. Especially if otolia flips scum
Otolia - probably scum. Certainly(?) not scum with frostbite. Not giving reads is just plain anti-town
Chaos - Either clever town or very clever scum. I haven't seen anything scummy though but I have seen some town tells such as NK kill paranoia. High town read
CC - null/town. Probably town I guess
Frost - Probably town. Even more likely with Otolia scumflip
Noragar - I really don't know. If i had to choose the two scum though, he's not one. 3rd biggest suspect
Forest - Very strong town read. I forget the reason, but it was a strong town tell (I forget whcih) at the start of the game. I remember that it seemed town though.
Espe - little content. IIoA too perhaps. Probably Otolia's buddy if I had to guess now
Otolia/Lord of Graves - I'm confident he's scum

[chkflip]

I want to watch him squirm.

[Twistedspoon]

the irony is that I asked for his reads to help the tempo pick up
but the fact that he didn't has pretty much closed the case on who to lynch D1

I'm not interested in a claim right now since I'm so sure of the inevitable scum flip so I'm cool with a lynch whenever you guys are

[Otolia]

Incoming post is incoming.

[Otolia]

Uhm. Girlfriend is calling. I'll continue my post after midnight (CEDT) or sooner depending on when she goes to bed.

[Twistedspoon]

your girlfriend is always calling

haha I wish mine did

anyways, It's cool since I'm off to sleep now anyways

[gbevilchaos]

TS, you listed Otolia twice. Is he twice as scummy as everyone else? lmao

Eagerly awaiting your post Otolia.