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[DemonHybrid]

This should more or less confirm the existence of a godfather, which would help us out MASSIVELY. Like a great fucking deal.

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Not following.

I mean, I like the chesskid lynch. That part's fine. But how does chesskid flipping scum *or* miller confirm the existence of a godfather, and, perhaps more apropos, how does the confirmed existence of a godfather help us out massively?

Because if CK flips miller, we can expect no godfather and everyone that was investigated will be clear.

If CK flips godfather, we solved a shitload of problems.

If CK flips other scum, discount the fuck out of my reads and play with analysis to find the last scum. You'd be in a probable 7:1.

[DemonHybrid]

No. No. No.

We're lynching gorilla or Tarson. There's no need to deviate from the plan when we're already lined up scum.

Chesskid flipping miller changes nothing there'd still be a possible GF in the setup and we'd be done a msylnch

But it tells us a whole lot more. I think there has been a lot of vocal doubt of a miller AND a godfather.

[Regfan]

Because if CK flips miller, we can expect no godfather and everyone that was investigated will be clear.

If CK flips godfather, we solved a shitload of problems.

If CK flips other scum, discount the fuck out of my reads and play with analysis to find the last scum. You'd be in a probable 7:1.

This isn't true at all, him flipping miller changes NOTHING in regards to there being a godfather or not in the setup. I would much rather lynch a key suspect that everyone suspects then chesskid on the wild chance he fake-claimed miller.

PLEASE, lets not fuck this up now.

[DemonHybrid]

Even if CK WAS a miller and there's no godfather, it clears up a TON of doubt instead of getting rid of gorilla and tarson first and THEN finding out that something weird is going on.

Preview edit: Regfan, what if he turns up scum?

Did you miss the self-vote?

[diddin]

I'm waiting for votals but I'm really hesitant to lynch Chess. Claiming Miller D1 as scum is very ballsy. What if there is no cop?

[chesskid3]

this would all be a lot easier if doc hadn't claimed yesterday

[Regfan]

So DH, you want to lynch him incase he flips scum, you realize that's the exact same thing as lynching your FoS's in hope they're scum?

Yes, I saw the self-vote why would he do that there as scum.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm waiting for votals but I'm really hesitant to lynch Chess. Claiming Miller D1 as scum is very ballsy. What if there is no cop?

There is.

You'll find out tomorrow if scum has any brain whatsoever. Unless they want EVERYONE investigated before I get lynched, they'll kill me tonight.

Preview edit: Because he, like me, realizes that this is inevitable.

Please see that this reveals a LOT.

[diddin]

Occam's Razor Occam's Razor etc etc

[Magua]

Because if CK flips miller, we can expect no godfather and everyone that was investigated will be clear.

No. I mean, just from personal experience, Fast Food Mafia had both a miller and a godfather, as did Harry Potter Mafia.

If CK flips godfather, we solved a shitload of problems.

There is no way, no how that CK is godfather. Godfather claiming miller == pants on head.

All that said, I simply disagree with Regfan on having a chesskid townread. I don't have this thing.

[Regfan]

The only thing it reveals is if he's mafia or not.

That's the same fucking thing as any other lynch.

[tarsonisocelot]

No. No. No.

We're lynching gorilla or Tarson. There's no need to deviate from the plan when we're already lined up scum.

Chesskid flipping miller changes nothing there'd still be a possible GF in the setup and we'd be done a msylnch

Regfan seems the most likely person to be a GF.
But he's right about chesskid lynch not proving anything if he flips miller. Chess flipping scum would prove GF existence beyond doubt though.

Also, was this a typo:

we're already lined up scum.

?

Pre-edit: If there's a GF then scum would know there was a cop. Goon can then claim Miller.

[Magua]

Regfan, Tarsonis is town. Agree/disagree.

[Magua]

I'm coming around on DemonHybrid town, though.

[DemonHybrid]

The only thing it reveals is if he's mafia or not.

That's the same fucking thing as any other lynch.

Do you agree that chess COULD be scum fakeclaiming miller because he (low chance, as Magua stated) is the Godfather, or he is scum with his buddy as a godfather?

If you say yes to that, could you agree that getting rid of that doubt now, while we're in a likely 7:2, would be the most useful thing?

Yes, it doesn't tell us that we have a godfather 100%. But it's not that likely, with a cop in the setup, that chess would just claim miller as scum and have there be a cop in the setup. Something is going on.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, claiming miller as godfather is a surprisingly good play. This playerlist is competent and no competent cop would investigate someone who says they will turn up guilty regardless.

[Regfan]

Regfan seems the most likely person to be a GF.

This is an attempt to shift attention elsewhere and give them an alternate out when Chess flips miller.

Magua, disagree. She's scum. Read her post where she voted Gorilla it's essentially "I can't be scum with gorilla!"

Do you agree that chess COULD be scum fakeclaiming miller because he (low chance, as Magua stated) is the Godfather, or he is scum with his buddy as a godfather?

It really doesn't matter. Magua is town without the innocent on him, the innocent just adds that little bit on top. If Chesskid flips goon yes it means that everybody in the game is likely to appear innocent on reports but again that doesn't help us as we'd be done to that suspect pool again.

[Regfan]

Also, claiming miller as godfather is a surprisingly good play. This playerlist is competent and no competent cop would investigate someone who says they will turn up guilty regardless.

No, it's not. The entire point of the godfather is to make the cop investigations useless, meaning the godfather WANTS to get investigated therefore what would the point be of the godfather claiming miller.

[DemonHybrid]

Regfan. I'm not liking your resistance to this.

We're getting rid of doubt. MAJOR doubt. Tarson has it RIGHT ON. WHY wouldn't you want this?

Preview edit: 0% chance in investigating that player; if town every comes upon godfather speculation, the one that claimed miller would be not as likely to be suspected as godfather.

It's an odd twist to playing godfather, but I CAN see it happen. I'm not seeing it here; though it's a possibility.

[DemonHybrid]

Regfan. I'm not liking your resistance to this.

We're getting rid of doubt. MAJOR doubt. Tarson has it RIGHT ON. WHY wouldn't you want this?

Preview edit: 0% chance in investigating that player; if town every comes upon godfather speculation, the one that claimed miller would be not as likely to be suspected as godfather.

It's an odd twist to playing godfather, but I CAN see it happen. I'm not seeing it here; though it's a possibility.

[Regfan]

I honestly give up attempting to speak logically in this game. I really did try, I normally keep my patience well but this is just too much.

Sigh. Slaxx, can you message me in 24 hours if I haven't calmed down I'm likely to replace out.

[DemonHybrid]

To everyone who's resistant to this lynch: I know it's weird, but we're not going to mindlessly lynch through 3 players without making sure that there isn't an elaborate setup going on here.

[Regfan]

Slaxx isn't letting me replace out. Complete frustration right now. I'll give this one final attempt.

There's two possibilies that could occur upon lynching Chesskid:

1: Chesskid flips miller. What do we learn? Nothing at all. What do we lose? One of our msylnches.

2: Chesskid flips goon. What do we learn? That there's a godfather in the game, what does that mean? Our innocents aren't 100% clear. What does that also mean? It means that one of Magua/Regfan/C-Worl/Gorilla/Tarsons is scum. I already know Magua and myself are town without the innocents, meaning it teaches us what? That one of Tarson/Gorilla/C-Worl are scum, what we already know.

[Magua]

Also, claiming miller as godfather is a surprisingly good play. This playerlist is competent and no competent cop would investigate someone who says they will turn up guilty regardless.

Why would a godfather, who investigates as *innocent*, claim miller, who investigates as *guilty*?

Even with the argument, "Who'd investigate a miller?", you're throwing away the advantage of the godfather (they investigate as *innocent*) and keeping a partner from the advantage of claiming miller (cop won't investigate them).

Chesskid is not a godfather. That's pants-on-head. You have a goon claim miller, because it keeps the cop investigation off of them, and makes it more likely that the cop investigation will *hit* a godfather.

Magua, disagree. She's scum. Read her post where she voted Gorilla it's essentially "I can't be scum with gorilla!"

Er. I agree that she can't be scum with gorilla.

What about the idea that gorilla's attacks this game have been on Talapus and tarsonis. Easy targets. You think that's town play for him?

[Regfan]

Er. I agree that she can't be scum with gorilla.

Disagree. I can see Tarson being the planned town-cred considering how D1 ended (With Tarsons throwing horrible logic to her vote on Talapus)

What about the idea that gorilla's attacks this game have been on Talapus and tarsonis. Easy targets. You think that's town play for him?

No, certaintly not. I can see him as scum easily.