Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Pulindar]

Prologue

had the post all the way through Rhinox, then the Internet here reset because of some stupid problem we're still having I guess.

Anyway, lost it all super pissed and super tired. Going to bed will do this Sunday maybe. Ugh.

Epilogue

Haylen please prod Nobody Special

[Zodiark13]

Wow, epic buddying right out of the gate.

Pulindar tried to convince you to replace out so I could replace in.
Obviously there's some history between us, and obviously there's going to be friendliness.
Is there any scum motivation? No. You painting it as such is reaching.

Theres a difference between 'friendliness' and screaming that you won't let Pul be lynched. Claiming that I'm reaching here is not only untrue, but its a terribad and desperate attempt to diffuse a case against you that you can't diffuse any other way.

Care to actually explain?

Is there a need?

I'm asking. If this isn't enough of a reason, then that means that you have reason not to explain, and only scum would be in this position.

This reads like scum replacing in and, after having looked at the scum QT and seen that scum decided to push a lynch against me, jumps onto me on almost nothing.

It's highly unlikely that scum have daytalk based on Hayl's rules.
And the theory that the scumteam would plan to push your lynch pregame smells a little bit like aluminum.

I never said anything about daytalk, so more misrep. And what does the smell of metal have anything to do with the possibility of scum deciding to push a lynch on me pregame?

Re: Changing reads: I was reading through the game. Thus, my reads changes as people acted townier/scummier.

A running commentary is not what we need, even more when you only post your opinions on things, not what causes those opinions, triply so when your opinions change several times in said commentary.

Nice misrep, but no. I'm pushing tans here for trying to break the game in an, if not scum then certainly anti-town way.

Break the game? How?

For trying to force a modkill for flimsy reasons.

Scumhunting is not all there is to the game.

For town, there is nothing else.

Ever heard of policy lynching?

In what dimension is this market you speak of? Is it the dimension where everything tans has done this game is seen as pro-town, where jesters and cults are universally liked, and where Chesskid is considered as good a poster as Vi is in this one? And if its such a strong scumtell, how come you didn't realise it when you mentioned it a few posts ago?

The second quoted bit was from my catchup, which was mostly little notes to myself.
The first quoted bit was from the case on you, which purposely used stronger language so it would be able to convince.

Yeah, I know where they came from, I was the one that quoted them after all. But this still doesn't answer the question.

Again, nice misrep, but no. I'll explain in small words, just for you. I'm not trying to buddy up with Hiraki because I don't wont to be lynched. I'm saying Hiraki is most likely town because he isn't. Also, note that by claiming I'm buddying up to my lover, you accept my lover claim, and can now call backpeddeling if you try to BS the claim. Nice one.

I'm guessing you mean Hiraki is most likely town because he is. But that still doesn't make sense because you don't give reasoning.
And I've always accepted your lover claim...?

Are you seriously reading anything I'm posting? Twice I've pointed to my reasons for thinking that Hiraki is town, which is more than you've done for your reasons of thinking that Pul is town, and yet you still think I think Hiraki is town 'because he is'? Did RC do this bit for you?

Claim means nothing. Until the flip at least. Inside knowledge that tans is a VT? Lolscum.

He claimed VT. I had a town read on him. Naturally, logic points to him being VT.
I mean, I can slow down for you if you want but this is pretty elementary.

Even town fakeclaims. Reads have nothing to do with it.

So its not rolefishing, or reaching, at all to say theres a protective role, but it is to state the obvious and say that you can't know that unless you are a backup protector?

1: Expect the Unexpected.

Things aren't always so obvious.
But, no, it isn't rolefishing because I'm not telling him/her to come on out.
No, it's not reaching because there's usually protective roles in mafia games.
It is rolefishing if you say "YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT UNLESS YOU ARE ROLE XXX". Because then I either claim Role xxx, or I'm scum and I get lynched. Mull about that one for a while.

Nice false dilemma. I love it when people throw that one out.

And the purpose of these posts is what again? A vote and then some BS speculation about who the scumteam is? Yeah, scratch that post about me being worried about the flip after this, we got scum here.

Oh god.
This is terrible.

Way to not address the issue. Answer the stripe question.


You've also purposely missed/ingorned several important points.

Umbrage is spoutin crap again. Scum scum scum.

What happened to

YES I DON'T HAVE TO BE DROWNED SCUMUMBRAGE BULLSHIT.
YES
YES
YESSSSS

Tans is smoking some serious, serious crack. He's probably town because of it. TANS CUT THE SHIT AND GET ON ZOD. <3, Nacho.

Hiraki is town for lazy SERIOUS MODE. I like it, even if his heart's in the wrong place.

Stefunnny... Calling scum lovers? My god, that's so ridiculous it has to be coming from town.

So, a VI is town for being a VI, a lurker is town for being a lurker, and someone who puts forward a stupid idea is town for the sheer stupidity of the idea(no offence Steff). BULL FUCKING SHIT.

On closer examination, I think I will keep my vote on tans. His 33 seems to be very reaching for a reason to have an early 'serious' bandwagon, but then happily jumps onto me for a rather flimsy reason in 49. 73 screams of scum not happy that his two bandwagons are going nowhere.

Finding reasons to keep his vote where it is. I say this because he is seriously reaching right here, and being overly vague about things by not giving real reasons.

If you mean tans, then yes, this is correct.

EBWOP: Meant to say questions, not points. 'u scum bro?' is a suitable replacement.

Scum worried about phrasing tally: ONE

And this is a scumtell how again? More BS.

How about no. Ignoring the fact that it was an IRC game.

And he can't link it...
Because it was an IRC GAME?
Okay. Sure. Yeah. I believe him.

I'd like to see you link an IRC game that wasn't saved. And again, how is this a scumtell?

[Nachomamma8]

Theres a difference between 'friendliness' and screaming that you won't let Pul be lynched. Claiming that I'm reaching here is not only untrue, but its a terribad and desperate attempt to diffuse a case against you that you can't diffuse any other way.

You can warp it like that if you have a bad case of confirmation bias due to a case on you, but that's how I've decided to interact with a good friend this game. If you want to accuse that action of being scummy, though, you might want to tag on some scum motivation.

I'm asking. If this isn't enough of a reason, then that means that you have reason not to explain, and only scum would be in this position.

Welp, guess I'm scum for explaining something that's fairly obvious.

I never said anything about daytalk, so more misrep. And what does the smell of metal have anything to do with the possibility of scum deciding to push a lynch on me pregame?

Fact: In order for the scum to plan a lynch on you day 1 in the quicktopic, they would need to do it pre-game, or with their Day 1 daytalk.
Fact: Thinking that the scum planned to lynch you in the pregame is a tin foil hat theory (thus why it smells like aluminum).

A running commentary is not what we need, even more when you only post your opinions on things, not what causes those opinions, triply so when your opinions change several times in said commentary.

Okay, but what does this matter in alignment with me being scum? If I were scum, then why would I change my reads in the same post?

For trying to force a modkill for flimsy reasons.

@Haylen - Seriously - give him his warning, boot him from game or modkill him. If you do none of these for his personal attacks on me I would request you replace me. If you give him a warning in thread like you said you would I will continue. His last post is lulzy and I would love to rip him a new one for it but I am asking you as a mod to enforce the rules you yourself set out at the start of this game.

That's not trying to force a modkill for flimsy reasons.
That's not even CLOSE to trying to force a modkill for flimsy reasons. He gave three alternatives, with strong favor of warning him in thread.

Ever heard of policy lynching?

Are you suggesting you're a policy lynch...?

Yeah, I know where they came from, I was the one that quoted them after all. But this still doesn't answer the question.

Keep rereading my answer until it is.

Are you seriously reading anything I'm posting? Twice I've pointed to my reasons for thinking that Hiraki is town, which is more than you've done for your reasons of thinking that Pul is town, and yet you still think I think Hiraki is town 'because he is'? Did RC do this bit for you?

I'm saying Hiraki is most likely town because he isn't.

Are you saying that this is what you MEANT to say right here?

Even town fakeclaims. Reads have nothing to do with it.

With this line of reasoning, how the hell would I have inside information that Zodiark is a VT?

I ignored the rest of your questions because of the childhood phrase: "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.".
I suppose I could address them if you'd like, but I think you'd rather I not.

[Nachomamma8]

If he's scum and I'm town, then I'm STUPID and DUMB and stuff. Obviously however, this is not the case, as I am clearly ASTUTE and REASONABLE and HANDSOME... (which does not include either STUPID -OR- DUMB).

But you have been skimming this game hard, so I suppose it'd be pretty damn safe to say that you missed a lot.
It's also not that hard for townies to get bad reads, especially when they're unexplained.

If he's town and I'm scum (trying to whiteknight or w/e Nacho said), WHAT'S THE POINT? I could have gotten an easy mislynch on Day 1 by just switching my vote. Now what I have is a bunch of people saying I'm trying to protect Zod when it's really just that he's obvtown. If I was scum, I would have hammered. Trust me.

You expect us to trust you about your own scum meta?
HEHEHEHAHAHAHAHEAHEEAHEAHEHAEAHE

If we are scum together and I'm protecting my scumbuddy/GF/etc, it's too OBVIOUS. Also, I'm not STUPID; see #1. There is clearly no advantage to linking us like this if we were scumbuddies. Also, there's the Hiraki thing. Unless you think the scum team is RC/Zod/Hiraki (hint, it's not), then saying Zodiark is scum CLEARLY makes no sense.

See response #2.

[Stefunny]

Argh, catching up later tonight. I promise.

[Haylen]

Shun Count

:
Rhinox: Hiraki
Zodiark: Pulindar
Charlie: Reapercharlie, Stefunny
Nachomamma: Zodiark
ReaperCharlie: Nachomamma

Not being a shunning bastard: Everyone else.

Deadline:

Monday 6th June 9pm BST <-- lol, the original date was the deadline for my newbie.

Votes to lynch:

6/10

Prods: NS got prodded

Notes:

[Stefunny]

What the heck happened to this game? All it is now is wall after wall of mudslinging. Zod and Hiraki are probably lovers, I didn't think about the fact that it would have been an easy double kill for scum, but they didn't kill, so most likely at least one of them is scum.

I think Charlie and RC are probably scum as well, but one scum or another doesn't really matter, especially when either Zod or Hiraki is obvscum. I would now support that lynch. I have to do some more catching up, but I will post something more useful at the end of today.

[Charlie]

What? I think there is one vital question that the claimed lover pair need to answer:

"Do you, or do you not, accept the lynch of your partner, who carries the possibility of being an opposing faction to your own and thus sacrificing yourself for the progress to your Win Con?"

[Rhinox]

Dead game is dead.

alright Hiraki, since there is aparantly nothing better to talk about, I've decided I'll humor your theory against me.

FFS.

WHEN BOTH DEAD TOWN SUSPECT ONE PLAYER, SOMETHING IS UP.

This seems to be basically it.

So, what exactly is up about it? You think I lynched tans, and then killed umbrage, because both suspected me?

I didn't lynch tans myself. It took other votes to get tans lynched. I wasn't even the one pushing the case. It was just the only viable lynch at the end of the day I supported.

As for the nk, what about my scum partners? don't they have a say? Why would we as hypo scum kill someone who suspected me as opposed to someone who suspected one of them? Does this mean everyone else who was suspected by anyone at some point in the game is more likely to be town since the players suspecting them weren't nked? Do you think it is or isn't possible I could be getting set up?

[ReaperCharlie]

Here; posting.

Sup.

[Zodiark13]

This is me.

dinner lady

Posting.

More people need to post.

[Hiraki]

Dead game is dead.

Rhinox has only posted at the most 6 times since the start of D2.

Aware of a problem, but not part of the solution.

Would this person be good or evil?

Hmmzorz.

In addition, your theory makes no sense because it doesn't matter because your Tans vote was already shit.

[Nobody Special]

Okay.

WTF dead game is dead.

Zodiak, Hiraki, do you two still claim to be lovers? Please answer either yes or no, each of you, and please don't elaborate further until you both have answered. (I have my reasons.)

[Rhinox]

Dead game is dead.

Rhinox has only posted at the most 6 times since the start of D2.

Aware of a problem, but not part of the solution.

Would this person be good or evil?

Hmmzorz.

In addition, your theory makes no sense because it doesn't matter because your Tans vote was already shit.

Is there a reason why you ignored 90% of my post?
I like how I try to spark up a conversation, and you completely deflect it and then say I'm part of the low activity problem. Real classy. Obv-strawman is obv.

[Hiraki]

In addition, your theory makes no sense because it doesn't matter because your Tans vote was already shit.

Concise.

[Rhinox]

In addition, your theory makes no sense because it doesn't matter because your Tans vote was already shit.

Concise.

So in other words the rest of

your

theory was just padding then?

[ReaperCharlie]

FFS.

WHEN BOTH DEAD TOWN SUSPECT ONE PLAYER, SOMETHING IS UP.

This seems to be basically it.

So, what exactly is up about it? You think I lynched tans, and then killed umbrage, because both suspected me?

Wouldn't be the first time I've seen this.

As for the nk, what about my scum partners? don't they have a say? Why would we as hypo scum kill someone who suspected me as opposed to someone who suspected one of them? Does this mean everyone else who was suspected by anyone at some point in the game is more likely to be town since the players suspecting them weren't nked? Do you think it is or isn't possible I could be getting set up?

You seem to have inside knowledge of the size of the scum teams. I haven't got the time, but I remember somebody else mentioning they thought that there might be two smaller scum teams.

You, on the other hand, seem to be quite sure that there are at least three, AND you seem very comfortable in referring to yourself and your scum partners even in the hypothetical realm.

Not to mention, your barrage of questions strike me as scum trying to muddy the waters when someone is on to his devious little plan.

[ReaperCharlie]

I think I'm onto something here. Wait a few minutes I'll get something typed up.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, to be clear, I think Charlie and Rhinox are scum together, and if there is a third buddy, I think it's either Stefunny or one of Hiraki/Zodiark. And as to why I think Charlie+Rhinox=scum... here is EVERY TIME CHARLIE MENTIONS RHINOX IN HIS ISO:

Rhinox

- My argument with him didn't go to well. Null

------------
OK, so that was kinda messy. Sorry. But If we take away those truly null, this leaves behind

Nobody Special
Umbrage
Hiraki

Rhinox

Rhinox

's posting seems like he's posting without actually posting. This is what stands out to me. He's null, but since you've asked about his specifically I'll say that he's slightly on the scummy side to me.

Zodiark13 & Hiraki: Like

Rhinox

, I've missed out on the important fact that you're claimed lovers. Apparently I didn't pay much attention to detail, I'll WORK ON THAT. In the meantime, carry on with whatever you two are doing.

That's ALL he's said about Rhinox. ALL GAME.

[ReaperCharlie]

Can't believe I didn't notice this before. In a word: WTFcakesLOLscum!

Calling it right now: C

harlie + Rhinox + mystery scum.

I'm actually leaning

Hiraki/Zodiark

over Stefunny atm, mostly because of the whole "

If neither of them were scum, then scum would have killed one last night and both would have died"

thing.

[Rhinox]

What NO RC YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SCUM

[ReaperCharlie]

cool story bro

[Nobody Special]

Okay.

WTF dead game is dead.

Zodiak, Hiraki, do you two still claim to be lovers? Please answer either yes or no, each of you, and please don't elaborate further until you both have answered.

(I have my reasons.)

[Rhinox]

Fine lets do this then.

First off, Hiraki made this "case" like 9 days ago. I ignored it then because its crap, and everyone else was ignoring it. If Hiraki was really onto something and I was worried about it like you say, do you think I would bother to start questioning his case now, when no one is talking about anything, thus pretty much making sure its going to be the center of attention, or just keep keep ignoring it and hope no one cares enough to bring it back up?

Secondly, your accusation that I have inside knowledge of the scum team(s) is crap and something I thought I didn't have to deal with outside of newb games. Something like "ZOMG HOW DO YOU KNOW YYY IS TOWN, SCUM" when the "if YYY is town" was obviously implied. In other words, just because I said partnerS plural and didn't spell out every conceiveable option for the number of scum, teams, and scum/team doesn't imply any inside knowledge about the scum team. Not to mention, and there was only 1 kill last night - is it a stretch to assume 1 scum team until proven otherwise?

Linking living players as scum partners is meh (especially when you're still considering multiple scum teams) - if you're town, you don't know for sure either one of us is scum individually. Do YOU have inside knowledge that charlie is scum and you're trying to set up my mislynch for after you're done bussing him?

I'm also wondering why you're jumping to defend Hiraki's "case" when he refuses to do it himself. Why didn't you comment on it when Hiraki first brought it up? Why wait until I start questioning it for something to talk about while the game is dead?

What do you think of Hiraki Shifting Goalposts to go from "lol tans and umbrage both suspected rhinox so rhinox is scum" to "none of that matters because rhinox's vote on tans was crap".

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm not defending Hiraki, I think he's likely scum. Mostly because I think one of the claimed lover pair is scum, and I think Zodiark is town.

In unrelated news, I just prodded the mod and half the playerlist.

Wake up, biznitches.