New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[mastin2]

The speculation about me being third party's wrong, of course. The reason why I'm feeling different this game is because I for the first time in forever feel like, well, I'm playing how Mastin should be. Short, concise, strong town voice, leading the town, lynching the scum, you get the idea. It feels so right, so natural.

But even if I were third party, only third party allowed in Larges is Serial Killer, and as you can tell by the Vig Kills, if our Vig is really a SK, they've been doing a dang-good job of acting like a real Vig. Meaning even if I WERE the SK, I'd be scumhunting right now.

Someone other than Maxous or Mastin explain to me why we haven't been looking at Maxous lately? I seem to recall some very circumstantial evidence early on giving him some "clear for now" credit, but nothing since. Same goes for Mr. Zepher.

They're both suspects, actually. Zepher historically has been above Uite, Maxous historically below Uite. But those three are my tertiary suspects. (Primary and Secondary being you and Silver, Pine.)

Invert the findings on this list. You more or less get my view. Looks good for NS, potentially looks good for nhammen (not sure on this one), looks good for Toon, and 1-2 of {Pine, Silver, Zepher} are scum.

If that makes sense.

Bit incoherent, sorry.

[Nobody Special]

Is that directed at me?

[Pine]

Invert the findings? Lolno. That only makes sense if you assume that all scum are out to bus the shit out of their partners. Which, as previously mentioned, is fucking suicidal in a game with an SK or every-night vig.

You're stuck in your scum mindset, Mastin. Not everyone is fratricidal.

[mastin2]

What?

No, really. That makes no sense to me.

[Pine]

Mastin as SK makes more and more sense as I think about it. I mean, it sounds like he was trying to bait the Mafia NK onto him, presumably because he's bulletproof, in order to have only one N1 kill and conceal his presence for a while.

Tinfoil hat territory, I know, but dealing with third parties is always like that. Hell, dealing with Mastin is like that, too. SK Mastin? Yeesh.

[mastin2]

Lol. So, essentially, I'm a Third Party guy, no matter what my actual role is?*

*

Joke. That's a JOKE. I know that's not what Pine was actually saying.

[Pine]

In an oblique way, Mastin, yes. Your odd play style and its combination of very-Townie observations and very-Scum actions/gambits makes reading you a lot like judging a third party.

This time though, I suspect you actually are an SK. Particularly the glib "That doesn't make sense, no." response you gave when it was first proposed. You act pretty cool and collected when correctly identified, and that fits it perfectly.

[MrZepher]

I keep forgetting there's a vig >~<

My bad.

Also, Mastin did you remember to calculate scum night kills into your math before?
Because in 3 days if all of you reads are town we're f'd.

[mastin2]

Also, Mastin did you remember to calculate scum night kills into your math before?

Indeed. I calculated we'd safely be able to take at least two of them out (preferably Silver and Pine) before we're in the danger zone. I forget the calculations beyond that.

[Maxous]

I didn't say they were. I just put out the idea as a hypothetical. I have seen scumteams argue like this.

And do you have any other mafia hypotheticals..or reads..or anything?

I keep forgetting there's a vig >~<

Well we are considering the possibility that the second kill comes from a vig and then also the possibility that the kill comes from a SK.
Because we don't know for sure of course.

Indeed. I calculated we'd safely be able to take at least two of them out (preferably Silver and Pine) before we're in the danger zone. I forget the calculations beyond that.

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Soooo you think this game has 5 mafia?

[Pine]

Nope. He just doesn't care who dies as long as it isn't him.

[MrZepher]

I say we lynch Pine today and Mastin tomorrow.

[Pine]

Again, why? When the hell is someone going to provide an actual case against me?

I'm starting to seriously get pissed off about this.

[Nobody Special]

I say we lynch Pine today and Mastin tomorrow.

I could get behind this.

Pine, if I'm holding a banana, everyone can see it's a banana. You don't have to explain to everyone that it's yellow, it has a peel, and it's a delicious fruit. WE GET IT. IT'S A BANANA.

In much the same way, you're scum. We don't have to explain it. You just ARE.

[MrZepher]

I say we lynch Pine today and Mastin tomorrow.

I could get behind this.

Pine, if I'm holding a banana, everyone can see it's a banana. You don't have to explain to everyone that it's yellow, it has a peel, and it's a delicious fruit. WE GET IT. IT'S A BANANA.

In much the same way, you're scum. We don't have to explain it. You just ARE.

Please stop saying things that make me want to quote you.

[Toon Fighter]

I already came up with that exact same case against mastin D2, Pine, so you are just copying me. I am not liking silver's recent response to the wagon on him, just lamenting himself, so my vote is going back on him.

vote: silverbullet

I still don't see any case on Pine, so I don't like the votes he is getting right now.

[Nobody Special]

I LOVE BANANAS

[Pine]

Oh fuck off. That makes no sense whatsoever.

For me to be scum, I'd have to have bussed my Godfather on D1 when there were other viable lynches available and counterclaimed my scumbuddy.

Bearing in mind that I am well-established to be vehemently against bussing.

[Nobody Special]

You personally being against bussing has no bearing whatsoever as to whether your teammates would bus you.

[Pine]

Bussing is an outdated, almost antiquated strategy. People actively look for it entirely too much nowadays for it to be of any practical value outside of special situations. Not to mention that for every buddy you bus, you have to achieve an additional mislynch to get to LyLo. Take TWBB, for example. That game would have gone on for at least two or three more day phases had we been bussing each other, and we probably would not have survived, as the Town was getting extremely close to discovering some of our members. Instead, we held together, mostly ignored one another, and managed a perfect scum victory.

I don't bus unless there's an absolutely compelling reason to, and there wasn't for either Amor or DK.

PE: I was personally on the lynches of both flipped scum so far, NS, and was instrumental in bringing one of them down. Try again.

[mastin2]

Zepher: Pretty sure we have only four scum. Like I said. I know we can get at least two deaths before the danger zone, but I forgot the calculations beyond that.

On me being lynched tomorrow: No objections, if Pine and Silver are both dead. I don't remember the calculations, but I do believe they pointed to tomorrow not being lylo, and if I nail the remaining two scum tomorrow, me being dead is worth it.

And with both Pine/Silver dead, I can do so if neither flips scum.

[Nobody Special]

It appears I'm not voting. Time to rectify that.

Vote: Pine

[Maxous]

Pine is probably town..

The arguement from NS' on Pine makes little sense. Considering if preferred lynch target.
I outlined how DK's attitude towards NS was different than his attitude towards others doing the same thing.
Treating people in a different way can be a sign of a mafia partner.

I really should do a full re-read of Amor and DK in Day 1 instead of being so lazy >_>

[jmurph3]

@Pine: what the hell happened to your attitude in this post where you offered to "take one for the team"? Why are you freaking out about potentially being lynched?

[Nobody Special]

Because he's

a banana

scum.