Mini 1183: Mafiamatical Mathia - Game over!

[Morthas]

VOTE: implo
Lurking before the game even starts thus making me refresh this page so many goddamn times.

Hi Twisted ;D Not you Kalofer... you don't get a hi.

[Morthas]

Omgus much?
My point was and is that the sooner we get out of RVS the sooner we can do serious scumhunting
self voting applies pressure on no-one and we get no nearer out of RVS
therefore self-voting is a pointless anchor into the RVS and offers no momentum to the game (by itself at least)
end case

Look above, it just got us out of RVS.

[Morthas]

notice the '(by itself at least)'
sure, we might have got out of RVS (only time will tell) but that's because I picked up upon the self-vote

It took until Juls and myself to notice how vote-worthy it was
interessant

It is completely possible for someone to do something in order to gauge reactions soo yeeeah.

[Morthas]

@twisted:
(Ok let's presume it's common sense that self voting is scummy. (Doubt anyone disagrees with me)
ii.Town player 1 does the scummy thing knowing it's overly scummy and stupid to do so, thus a town player with the ability to see things further than the obvious will not bother accusing him because it's a null tell.
iii.Look at people who try to accuse him of it being scummy.

iii. It's more likely that scum would accuse player 1 because scum find player 1 an easy target to attack thus looking like they are scumhunting.) <--- Gauging reactions with a good reason + Get's us out of RVS faster

My opinion on the whole debate
FOS at Juls because above explained reasons.
FoS at implo because of his convinced defense.
Null for Oopid since the idea of calling him town because of gauging reactions contains too much WIFOM
Not sure about Twisted, deserves a FoS atleast , Same reason as Juls + Played a game with him before and because of that game i am deciding i need more time to judge him.
Kalofer [joking]Complete and utter scum[/joking], Screw you, Shiro is fabulous D: Null


P-Edit: Double Ninja'd, going to read the above posts just a bit later.

[Morthas]

Last post for today,
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mod: Vote count is incorrect, implosion is closer to lynch

@Juls: Eh, yes, not completely sold on him being scum though (which is why i FoS'd him)

Mod-Edit:

In terms of where I had him at 2 votes [L-4] whereas 2 votes is actually L-3, right?

Corrected, and thanks for pointing this out.

[Morthas]

Ouff, hangover... post later

[Morthas]

UNVOTE:

[Morthas]

@Wicked: I don't like how you say Kalofer and Oopid are scum, never folow it up, debate/talk with Twisted where you DON'T think he's scum (point being you don't ask Kalofer/Oopid a single question) (FoS doesn't count, since you already stated who you think are scum and are voting for them which says you are convinced)

@implosion- which allignment do you enjoy the most: town or scum?

Strikes me as a way to try and not look like you are focusing on Twisted completely

Come to think of it,

Twisted could be his usual townie self

but I'm not in the mood of letting go of scummy actions which lack justification. I'll keep my vote where it is for now. Plague, you've clearly focused your attention on TS, so why no vote for him?

Is that because of meta or did you mean to say that you have mixed reads on him?

using speed of a wagon as a scumtell? well I think we may have scum here and it looks like 3 others agree with me.

If I think I've got scum I vote them. Everything else is second place. I don't see why I shouldn't vote for my prime suspect just because their wagon is growing fast

I don't like Twisted's attempt to justify the danger of the day ending, it's common sense why ending the day so fast would be bad for town

@Oopid: How do you from being ready to vote implosion to wagonjumping/sheeping to Kalofer?

I'm not sure who to vote..

P-Edit: Wicked is back so im giving him a chance to explain,
There is too much WIFOM on Twisted for now so
VOTE: Oopid

[Morthas]

Explain this more, please.

Why would I want to do that as scum?

As scum you wouldn't want to look like you are focusing on the player who is easiest to focus all the time. (You know, since scum need to manufacture their suspicions)

How is there not wifom on oopid, the guy that selfvoted?

My vote on Oopid was not because of his selfvote?

[Morthas]

Morthas, you implied that the reason that you didn't vote for twistedspoon was because there was wifom on him. By the same logic, there's clearly wifom on oopid, so why vote him instead of twistedspoon?

Meta on twisted because of my last game, the wifom on oopid is because of his selfvote according to your last post but i do not share the same opinion, i ignore the self vote since by itself is a null for me, i am voting for oopid for sheeping wagonjumping.

[Morthas]

A hammer without claim on page 6? Nice one.

[Morthas]

@MOD

:My pc has died so im going to have limited access from now on for heck knows how long, i probably will be able to still participate though

I am indeed a neighbour and i know Kalofer IRL so that's where the early game jokes come from (plus my biased attitude against him)

Mod-Edit:

Limited access noted.

[Morthas]

@Morthas: Do you have anything to share with us about Kalofer's play in the Neighbor QT?

Kalofer been trying to convince me to join the Twisted bandwagon, other than that he was also jokingly undermining me and saying as per usual how much he thinks i'm scum (saying i don't scumhunt etc.). The QT ended with me making fun of him getting votes on him again aaand he didn't respond to it. He didn't mention anyone other than Twisted the whole time.
Twisted confirmed town? Think so, i doubt he was trying to bus him in our private chat.

[Morthas]

@Mod

: Should be able to post normally from 17th and on

Mod-Edit:

Noted, thanks.

[Morthas]

I don't posses any other abilities ;/
Implosion and Juls are the most viable lynches now right? Assuming no Godfather that is.
Wait, doesn't the possibility of a godfather invalidate all of Oopid's results?

[Morthas]

I'm seeing implosions plan as our best bet, i don't see any more optimal way of doing it. I'd go with a Implo/plague/Juls lynch.

[Morthas]

We need to decide what we do, I don't mind oopid investigating me since the godfather would screw up any investigations anyway.
Wouldn't it make sense for the scum to have some kind of PR? A neighbor +vanilla scum don't balance against jailkeeper cop and neighbor

[Morthas]

I want a flip-flip.

[Morthas]

Got a few minutes at work, so im just going to reply

The bolded is a bit strange. I would like Morthas to explain what he meant.

I believe there is a huge possibility that there is a godfather hence all investigations would be invalid
(why i believe that is explained in the same post)

Morthas has been lurking and coasting on his status. The rest of us have been very active.

2nd day for me was pretty boring since most of it included us speculating rolerelating stuff plus what twisted said(view my past games), not to mention i get lazy. Besides, what seems coasting to you is my normal behavior during games.

A gf makes sense. A ninja screws us. If im lieing, then town only has cop. Kind of wierd. I think we should all

go back to scumhunting and reread this game

.

Please, do that. I'll do that when im back from work.

I dont know. Im thinking morthas actually. 1.Why kill the cop if theres a godfather? If I had to choose id pick plague. And yes, unless scum has a way around a jk then juls is clear. 2.What does morthas think?

1.WIFOM? Duh. 2.I can't defend myself here since defending yourself with WIFOM is bad, it's better if a 3rd party decided how i should be dealt with.

[Morthas]

wtf don?

[Morthas]

No Lynch sounds great but then again i'm completely retarded when it comes to speculating roles, planning lynches

[Morthas]

5 players. no lynch makes the game harder. we may as well lynch.

juls, be quiet please.

spoon: who is scum?

Explain why please since this feeble mind is either not arsed or too stupid to understand

[Morthas]

So we're waiting for plague to come back?

[Morthas]

you jailkeep plague and we'll lynch morthas

then if we lose it'll be to either a godfather, scum roleblocker, or crafty scum who NK'd twice
all of those are worthy winners, unlike a morthas who we may regret never lynching

Really? No, really? You're willing to give a win away because you refuse to believe there is a power role on the scum side?
Think about it, if scum didn't have any power roles it'd be unbalanced for sure, i may not be great at role related stuff nor have alot of experience in this game but i'm pretty sure scum would have one of these: Roleblocker, godfather.

I'll probably post more thoughts later, kind of busy.

[Morthas]

According to

1.Copy
2.Hide
3.Bus
4.Block
5.Redirect
6.Protect
7.Miscellaneous
8.Kill
9.Recruit
10.Inspect

Can somebody explain to me this:
Jailkeeper targets Roleblocker
Roleblocker targets Jailkeeper
Roleblocker targets kill on Player A

Does Player A die or not?

Sigh, this role related logic annoys me.

[Morthas]

I presume nobody here knows for sure, should i forward that question to the mod?

[Morthas]

I'm getting a bad feeling about Twisted..
What if we lynch him and jail plague instead?

[Morthas]

What Juls said.

[Morthas]

Yes. And it doesnt matter what plagues reads are.

vote plague

Maybe, but his V/LA ends today so you could at least have the courtesy to allow him to say something(in case he has something to say) before he dies.

[Morthas]

plague just posted in mish mash just to let you know

In which he said he needs time to catch on a game, patience.

[Morthas]

I'm getting a feeling plague is trollin ;p

[Morthas]

Once you're dead, you are dead... however, you may make one 'bah' post of no more than four words. 'Bah' posts may only contain the following words (in any order/combination):
Spoiler: The Bah Post Rule in Detail
Bah
Sorry
Go
Town
I
You
All
Suck
Rock
Avocado

Tsk tsk tsk, read the rules Twisted

[Morthas]

On another note,
I love avocados

[Morthas]

It's you or Don

[Morthas]

Yeah, sorry i have to V/LA until next tuesday.... very sorry...

@mod

: I have to V/LA until next Tuesday due to reasons i already states before which i did not think they would stop me from posting but apparently they will.

Ts is the scum i guess... will feel guilty for laying a vote and V/LA'ing.

Mod-Edit:

Eventually noted.

[Morthas]

So, it's either donscum or Tsscum. Tsscum is more likely, because i doubt don had these amazingly elaborate and risky plans for this game.

Ah, by the way, i'm back, tired and sleepy but it doesn't take a genius to realize this game been going for too long.

VOTE: Twistedspoon

[Morthas]

VOTE: Don Because nothing else makes sense.

[Morthas]

Meh, was as much fun for you as it was for me.
I applaud you Don, amazing blocks ;]