Dr Who - Game over

[Hoppster]

VOTE: Zang

LOOK AT ME I'M :GOODPOSTING:

Why yes, that is a three-vote random bandwagon in the first 10 posts. Discuss.

It's five now. How's that for 'Discuss'?

[Hoppster]

VOTE: Hoppster

You are Twistedspoon's friend right?
...
grrrrrr
I guess voting you will do because I can't kill him...and you are in the mini normal queue before me

My game has already finished sign-ups.

And trust me, killing me would make him (Twistedspoon) happy. You know what would annoy him? Zang getting voted. Vote Zang.

FoS: Ant, Surye

???

Why "???" that but not this?

FoS: pappums rat

P-Edit:

I think he means the fact that both of them ignored the main wagon and the counterwagon. Likewise pappums. That's how it seems to me.

Do you agree with (what you think is) his reasoning?

[Hoppster]

I think completely ignoring all the previous posts is stupid, yes. Even if it was just a passing comment about them.

Stupid or scummy?

[Hoppster]

Stupid.

If I thought it was that scummy I would've put a vote down. Considering one of the three who is ignoring the counterwagon on him, I don't need to change my vote.

What's your opinion then?

Wait, so do you think it's scummy or not then? You imply you don't think it's scummy (and would change your vote if you thought it was) but then say that you don't need to change your vote because it's already on one of them (implying that you would have changed your vote, and thus you thought it was scummy).

Me, I think it's null... or, unhelpful perhaps. They're certainly not helping, but I don't believe it's a scum-tell.


Also, going back to this:

I think completely ignoring all the previous posts is stupid, yes. Even if it was just a passing comment about them.

Were you talking specifically about the wagons arising from the votes or just the posts in general?

[Hoppster]

It's not inherently scummy, but it's enough for me to not need to change my vote from where it is because a) it was originally an attempt to gain information from a counterwagon and b) the person who the vote is on has managed to ignore both the Zang wagon and the attempted counterwagon. Like, what I'm trying to say is it isn't scummy enough to warrant a vote should I not have a vote down, or have a vote elsewhere, but as I have a vote there now, I'm fine with it remaining until more information surfaces. Clearer? (Probably not, I'm confusing myself )

I was specifically talking about the Zang wagon and the attempted counterwagon. Surely one if not both of those things needs to be addressed?

1) Gotcha

2) You're referring solely to those people not on either of those two wagons, correct?

[Hoppster]

I didn't join the Zang wagon because I wasn't comfortable putting a player at L-1 without him posting and within like 10 posts, and I saw the opportunity to get information by being a part of a different wagon.

What information do you think you have got now from the counter-wagon that you wouldn't have got by putting Zang at L-1?

Speaking of Zang, I hope he posts soon. I'd like to hear his reaction to a L-2 wagon so quick x]

If Zang doesn't post soon, would you consider putting him at L-1?

Do you think we would have had a less informative reaction from Zang had he been at L-1?

[Hoppster]

Interesting

In what way?

The FoS on pappums was odd to me

But not on you or Ant?

I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

How has he reacted? How did you expect him to react if you provided no reasoning - surely that could just be seen as a RVS vote (unless it was a RVS vote and I'm incorrect in thinking you voted CES because you thought "The FoS on pappums was odd")?

[Hoppster]

Hoppster: Well, that the three who ignored them both have done so. I can understand not jumping on a L-2 wagon, but why ignore a counter wagon as well, particularly in RVS?

The risk with putting Zang at L-1 is someone could be overzealous and hammer him, and I'm not one for one page Day 1's. No offence.

1) Gotcha

2) Would you have put Zang at L-2 had he been at L-3?

MFoS: Surye

Does the M stand for Major or Minor (or some other word beginning with 'M')?

Now that Nexus has suggested the probable reason for CES's FoSes, what do you think of them (ie. how has your attitude changed from "???")?

[Hoppster]

The FoS on pappums was odd to me

But not on you or Ant?

If you read in order, you'd see my post was before he FoSed me. I realize this is a Dr Who Mafia, but I could not timetravel to see his FoS I'm afraid.

Yeah, realised that after I posted, but to an extent it's still kinda valid. Do you think his subsequent FoSes on yourself and Ant are/were odd?

[Hoppster]

Actually I am not sure. It's consistent with his first FoS (off wagon vote), so I actually like his reaction,

and don't see it as defensive as I thought I'd get.

You thought you'd get a defensive reaction: did you think he was scum (who, as such would react defensively) simply from his FoS? Or would a defensive reaction be one you would expect from town?

[Hoppster]

So why no vote, Zang?

[Hoppster]

So why no vote, Zang?

Why not ask CES the same question?

Vote: Zang

This is pinging my scumdar a little bit. Zang has acknowledged the wagon on him, but then he doesn't pay any attention to who is on it. I would expect town to be looking more carefully at the people on the bandwagon, whereas scum would just look more generally at the number of people on the wagon.

I'm not really sure what your argument with Hoppster is about. I understand how it started but it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Did the argument help give you a read on either of us?

The Zang wagon didn't need any help. Counter wagon was Meh. No funny reasons why I should join or incentive. I thought I would make my own with the condemning evidence I had

Only other player I know is rat, but I will have to go back and look at that game to really remember him.

Ohey, your RVS vote is still on me.

What do you want to get out of your RVS vote on me that hasn't already happened?

Why have you said nothing useful or non-RVS related so far at all?

Have you even read the thread?

Anyways, I think all this dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise, and the wagons were not useful at all other than clumsily getting us out of RVS.

Meaningless noise? Did it not help further any reads on either of us?

What about the dialogue between Nexus and I?

Is that why you didn't vote on either of the wagons - they were too 'clumsy' for your liking?

What exactly do you want to get or are you looking to get out of your GMan vote?


My gut is telling me this is a scum-post where pappums-scum has read Nexus' posts about people not commenting on wagons and pappums-scum resultingly felt it necessary to post some comment on the wagons. The opinion of "the wagons were clumsy" just seems really... feigned.

In other news: I'm of two minds about Hoppster, need to see more to judge.

Hoppster and Nexus is probably a townie fight, with an outside chance of Hoppsterscum using questions to confuse the town. That's a very outside shot though.

What helped you to judge?


UNVOTE: Zang
VOTE: Ant

You suck.

FoS: Zang, pappums

[Hoppster]

Nexus is super obvious town.
Tar is totally right about Surye.

Is he totally right about Zang's reaction being town?

3 pages already. Hate being late to the party and for the record I would have voted on the Zang wagon. In fact I will

VOTE: Zang

Hello to all I have played with before, special wave to Nexus.

RVS Questions

1. How long have people been playing MS here?
2. What is the most commonly used scum tell that you have seen?
3. Favoroite Doctor Who Monster?

Is that vote random or do you think he's scummy?

Have you fully caught up?


1. Since November 26 2010 (when I replaced into my first [Newbie] game). My Wiki page is usually up-to-date.

2. I don't count... but do you mean used as in 'called out' by other people, or used as in 'scum used it'?

3. Winston Churchill.


What have you learnt from my answers?


UNVOTE: Ant
VOTE: SnakePlissken

(FoS: Ant)

You've basically dodged saying anything at all, much like our good friend Ant.

However, you're also jumping on a wagon without any reasoning at all, and we're at a stage where you have plenty to work off.

I'd also say we're out of RVS, and the RVS Questions seem unnecessary, useless, and counter-productive.

[Hoppster]

Hoppster is incredibly annoying to read.

Do you mean annoying to read as in you just find my posts plain irritating to look at, or that you can't get a read on me?

Hoppster and Nexus is probably a townie fight, with an outside chance of Hoppsterscum using questions to confuse the town. That's a very outside shot though.

Zang tell detected. If Hoppster and Nexus are both Town Tar is possible scum.

I don't get it.


Ant: In your 'multiple' readings of the thread, have you gathered any ideas of who might be scum?


P-Edit:

Hoppster is incredibly annoying to read. He constant refrain of “What reaction did you expect to get” is rather useless when he’s pre-empted the actual reactions from some players (Zang for example) with his questions. He’s peppered Nexus with a number of hypothetical questions that don’t serve any serious scum-hunting (“Would you put Zang at L-2 if he was at L-3?’) but more as a means to produce as “Gotcha, inconsistency” attack.

I agree with this statement. All Hoppster's questions thus far have been rather unnecessary and/or forced, and IMO it kind of sounds like he is trying to sound like he has a lot to say rather than actually having a lot to say.

This sounds pretty damning. Why aren't you voting me?

[Hoppster]

Why have you [Ant] said nothing useful or non-RVS related so far at all?

I'm not ant but it may be because it was only on page 2.

[...]

Did you [SnakePlissken] just miss the past 2 pages of scumhunting

Say whaaaa?

Ant's post #46
SP's post #53

Why are you defending Ant's lack of content and then attacking SP's lack of content?

Anyways, I think all this dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise

Unvote
Vote: Hoppster

for making more out of this bullshit than what is reasonably concievable, and because his dialogue with Surye on his end rang hollow to me.

Umm.

1) What "bullshit" exactly?
2) Uhh, you said that the "dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise". Now I was being hollow?

[Hoppster]

We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.

Uh, WHAT? Prodding my foot - summary does not prodding make, nor does simply answering other people's questions.

And funny, I seemed to get reaction. Hmmm.

You realise you've still got your RVS vote down, right?

What exactly is the point of "teehee i baited u into reactionz" if you then don't follow up with a vote?

I'm voting CES and I FoSed two other people.

Am I the only person who thinks the choice of words in 'two other people' is odd?

It's almost as if Zang couldn't remember who he was suspicious of... yet could somehow remember that he was supicious of exactly two people.

Hmm didn't see this one till Tar actually quoted it. That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum. Covering tracks if Zang actually flips scum here?

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

...

So shouldn't you be voting Zang?

UNVOTE: SnakePlissken
VOTE: Ant

Your reason for voting MoI is, quite literally, "lol this is suspicious if Zang is scum".

CES's lack of reasoning makes Tarhalindur a sad panda.

A sad and suspicious panda?

[Hoppster]

So shouldn't you be voting Zang?

Your reason for voting MoI is, quite literally, "lol this is suspicious if Zang is scum".

You have it backwards

No, I don't.

"That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum.

Covering tracks

if

Zang actually flips scum here

?"

By your own words, he is only doing something suspicious "if Zang actually flips scum".

You have not provided any reason for suspicion should Zang not flip scum.

[Hoppster]

Kill: Zang

Vote: Ant_to_the_Max

FoS: Surye, bv310, pappums_rat

Really? This has been so overused that it becomes almost obvious that it's a fake day kill gambit when you post it. What did you hope to gain from this?

Uhh, not liking this reaction at all.

Can't quite put my finger on it but my gut is

POSITIVELY SCREAMING

to me that this is a scum reaction to an apparent DK-gambit on himself.

Feels a bit like scum gleefully mocking somebody who fake DK'd him.

By the way, no one has to tell me that they hate my reads. Everyone always hates my reads. If you hate my reads, tell me why you hate them or which reads you hate.

I HATE YOUR READS.

bv310: Not enough content - no real opinion.

[...]

pap: Not enough content - leaning a bit negative.

???

Alright, I have read through the game again and I still found the Zang wagon and the Surye counter-wagon to be counter-productive. When people are run up like that, how exactly are they supposed to respond? People are going to read whatever they are looking for into the player's response to this and as such I think it is a poor scumhunting technique.

At this point I am going to

Unvote
Vote: Snake

His second RQS question, as has been pointed out, can potentially help scum, so I see no town motivation behind it. His third post has a couple of points of concern for me. First, he says he is going to have to spend some "serious time to read all of this" despite the fact that there is only 5 pages. It sounds to me like he is trying to buy for time and active lurk here. Also, in my opinion his reason for voting Nexus is bad.

OH HEY

I REMEMBER YOU

pappums ISO #0:

RVS

pappums ISO #1:

Doesn't really say much here, but says "dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise"

pappums ISO #2:

Oops, contradicting himself from before. He suggests the dialogue between Surye and I made him suspicious of me although it was "meaningless noise" before. Then he doesn't vote me?

pappums ISO #3:

UH NOT VOTING HOPPSTER 'COS I'M STILL IN RVS

pappums ISO #4:

Okay, I have decided for some arbitrary reason that I AM READY TO LEAVE RVS!

pappums ISO #5:

/prod-dodge

pappums ISO #6:

Hmm, let me

conviniently forget all my previous suspicions of Hoppster and not mention him at all

, and then make an easy cop-out vote on somebody who's said even less than me instead of doing any real scum-hunting!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pappums

[Hoppster]

Sorry all for the delay, had a few connection issues. Should be more stable now.

Uhh, not liking this reaction at all.

Can't quite put my finger on it but my gut is POSITIVELY SCREAMING to me that this is a scum reaction to an apparent DK-gambit on himself.

Feels a bit like scum gleefully mocking somebody who fake DK'd him.

It wasn't an apparent fake day kill gambit, it was proven that it was a fake day kill gambit when the mod posted. Also why do you think that I'm scum gleefully mocking someone who fake day killed me instead of town gleefully mocking someone who fake day killed me.

Well, mainly gut on my part if I'm honest.

Re-quoting the offending section of your post:

Kill: Zang

Really? This has been so overused that it becomes almost obvious that it's a fake day kill gambit when you post it. What did you hope to gain from this?

Your post has a tone which I want to describe as patronising, but it's not quite the same in my mind.

It's part-patronising, part-gleeful, part-mocking, part-just-plain-evil.

As weird as this sounds, it's like something from a movie. The good guy, faced with the bad guy, pulls out his pistol and shoots. The bullet whizzes past the bad guy.

And then, the vibe I get from your post: the villain cackles evilly, and says "Oh dear, Mr. Bond, you are a poor shot. I really don't know how you ever thought you would defeat me (mwahahaha)," or some other derogatory remark, mocking the hero's valiant but ultimately futile attempt to kill him.

(Following this, of course, it turns out the hero wasn't trying to hit the villain but was trying to shoot some chandelier off the ceiling or something stupid like that. But that's not important for this analogy.)

Your post feels like it is coming from the exact same state of mind as the villain in this scenario. The villain sees the hero's failed kill attempt and becomes cocky and patronising, feeling he has the upper hand over the hero in this battle.

(I struggle to describe my gut and feel ridiculous doing so, but hopefully by using the movie scenario people will know what I'm talking about. >>)

@hoppster: If you wanted to know why I was leaning negative on pappums, you should have left a post of his for me.

Wasn't looking so much for specific reasons, but wondering why you gave pappums and bv the same 'summary' ("Not enough content") yet gave different reads ("leaning a bit negative" and "no real opinion" respectively).

Oh, Tar, fake daykills are lame.

Nexus, what prompted this?

Came one minute after your post (immediately above it), and I'm wondering what made you suddenly post that.

something

OH HEY I REMEMBER YOU

Don't ignore me plzkthx.

@ everybody:

Can you all stop ignoring pappums? Seriously, look at his ISO, it's so incredibly inconsistent, and his vote on Snake is horribly horribly opportunistic.

My first thoughts back are this. Ive played with Nexus a fair few times offsite and

whenever he gets really aggressive & into arguments fairly easily he's more often than not scum

Ie. Aggression is a scum-tell from Nexus.

So the screwdriver gambit gave me a town response from CES,

Nexus usual aggression

and Zang, drawing attention to a role.

Ie. Aggression is a null-tell from Nexus.

Which is it, Snake?

Also, why did you drop your meta-case on Nexus to vote Surye?


I would rather go for a Snake lynch over Surye, but want to put a pappums lynch out there, as people seem to be ignoring him.

I can see some evidence of scum-hunting in Snake and Surye's ISOs. Not in pappums' ISO.

[Hoppster]

Its not that he missed be but that he never shot. It would be more like if the guy took a pistol, shot someone and water came out. Then the person, soaking wet and confused, asked why he would do that.

But you didn't simply ask Tar why he did that ("Why did you do that, Tar?").

Your response was more along the lines of mocking him for doing that ("<tut tut> Oh, really, Tar, that was an extremely pathetic gambit. I don't know what on earth you were thinking!")


@ Ant: Why are you (still) voting MoI?

@ Zang + iam: Thoughts on pappums?

Spoiler: pappums

As scum, I went after Darla who I tried to paint as active lurking. She was an easy target for scum to go after because she rarely posted and when she did she often didnt have a whole lot to say.

So, as scum, you go after easy targets who don't have a lot to say, and you try to paint them as active lurking. Good to know.

... Wait, why are you voting Snake again?

My vote on Snake was not opportunistic, he is scummy as hell, and his vote to put Surye at L-1 (which wasnt really L-1 but he thought it was) cements his position as scum in my mind, not to mention

his terrible reasoning for not participatiing in day 1.

Unvote
Vote: Snake

His second RQS question, as has been pointed out, can potentially help scum, so I see no town motivation behind it. His third post has a couple of points of concern for me.

First, he says he is going to have to spend some "serious time to read all of this" despite the fact that there is only 5 pages. It sounds to me like he is trying to buy for time and active lurk here.

Also, in my opinion his reason for voting Nexus is bad.

Huh.

Rings a bell...

My vote on Snake was not opportunistic... I'm just going after someone who has a better chance of being lynched today.

Huh.

Of course, actually trying to make a logical case on me was just

out of the question

, considering we only had 16 days left and we'd only been playing for 5. That would be ridiculous. (amirite?)

I still think you are scum.

Huh.

For that contradiction you made which I pointed out and you blatantly ignored?

Also, try actually scum-hunting some time, pappums. I hear it makes you less obvious scum.

[Hoppster]

Zang's play is confusing me. I keep running through it and I keep coming up with the same conclusion. Either Snake or Zang is scum. Anyone else come to a similar conclusion?

You're going to have to show your working for this.

Whatever. I said I was seeing if there was anyone scummier when I did a re read, so I don't know how that's me only trying to get Snake lynched. I don't believe his claim, but that's about it. It's certainly not enough to make me unvote until I've re-read.

[...]

Also, that explanation is even scummier than the first sentence of the post I just quoted (and I should have pointed it out in my last post - I blame posting at 2 in the morning). If you don't believe his claim, it follows that you think he is scum. However, you then say that you're going to reread to see if there's anyone scummier.

This does not follow.

Townies should NEVER lie when claiming without a damn good reason, and it's a risky play even then. If you think that Snake is lying about his claim, then YOU THINK THAT HE IS LYING SCUM. I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe that you actually think that you might find a player who is scummier than a player who you clearly believe is LYING about his claim. I could see it if you had concluded that a Snake lynch was no longer feasible and were switching to a second preference, but I don't see any evidence of such a thought process here, and I don't think it's supported by the game state at any rate.

No, the reason that you are looking for "anyone scummier" is because you are SCUM who doesn't actually care whether a player is scummy so long as they aren't on your team.

This is a good post.

I am still voting for him? I just said I was going to look for the others as well.

*shakes head*

This is not a good post.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nexus


Also willing to lynch Ant.

Not paticularly willing to lynch Snake. I do think it's certainly a possibility that scum have been given safe/fake-claims, even as strong as the 10th Doctor - however, pappums' vote on Snake and his general prescence on the wagon is just makes me feel very uneasy.

@ Mod: Should pappums need replacement, would we recieve an extension of any sort?

[Hoppster]

Zang's play is confusing me. I keep running through it and I keep coming up with the same conclusion. Either Snake or Zang is scum. Anyone else come to a similar conclusion?

You're going to have to show your working for this.

This would be cool, Rufflig.

Wilfred Mott-Vanilla Town. I enjoy stargazing and

am related to Donna

.

This feels very much like a hastily put together scum fake-claim.

The bit in bold is scum qualifying their fake-claim - "LOOK GAIZ THIS DUDE ACTUALLY EXISTS".

Actually this makes me think. What if there are more than one doctors such as the newest doctor in this game then it would make more sense if the 10th doctor is scum or a fake claim. Especially, sense it was specified that he was the tenth doctor instead of just the doctor.

Why would the prescence of other incarnations of the Doctor in this game mean that specifically the 10th Doctor makes more sense as a scum or fake claim?

As for the other thing, I thought of it. If I decide to believe you and Snake flips town are you willing to let us lynch you next?

Snake is currently my biggest scum read so I would be willing to sacrifice myself if it means that you'll lynch him.

This may sound weird, but could you read what Rufflig said again and then answer it again for me please?

I don't understand why you think the Tenth Doctor would be only a VT, but Wilfred wouldn't? :S

I don't believe anybody's said that.

It's certainly not what Tar has been saying, if that's who you're directing it at (nobody else has really been talking about your specific name-claim).

2. Zang’s content dwarfs yours this game.

2) Sup kettle.

Just to make super-sure: this is directed at MoI, right?

Also, Hoppster has disapoofed after jumping on my wagon two days ago.

Cool story bro.

So, is this meant to be an attack on me or something? Looks awfully like scum going "OH HEY LOOK OVER THERE GAIZ".

So why am I of note but then iamausername is not?

[Hoppster]

I'm posting in all of my games, you twat.

Nice dodging of the point I had re: iamausername to instead launch a fail-attack at me.

[Hoppster]

@ Mod: Rufflig is voting bv310, not Surye.

Ninja'd.

Oh, nice ad hom there.

Squirm some more.

Common misconceptions about Ad hominem (Wikipedia)

Do yourself a favour, read that.

Why would the prescence of other incarnations of the Doctor in this game mean that specifically the 10th Doctor makes more sense as a scum or fake claim?

The doctor is such a powerful and innocent role that it doesn't seem very likely but if there were more than one doctor then it would probably be more likely that one is scum or a fake claim. The fact that he claimed the 10th doctor instead of just The Doctor supports this.

I'm talking about

specifically the 10th Doctor

. Why did you say that specifically the 10th doctor made sense as a scum or fake claim?

Actually this makes me think. What if there are more than one doctors such as the newest doctor in this game then

it would make more sense if

the 10th doctor

is scum or a fake claim.

Especially, sense it was specified that he was the tenth doctor instead of just the doctor.

This may sound weird, but could you read what Rufflig said again and then answer it again for me please?

Why? I already answered it.

So are you going to read it again and answer it again or not? Either don't answer it again or do.

I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.

You can start.


Rufflig: There are 4 days until deadline. Your vote puts bv310 at a mighty L-6.

Do you have the intention of running bv310 up to the 3rd claim of the day?

[Hoppster]

Hoppster peaks my interest because he's leaning so town, it makes me think that, that's what he wants us to think, if that makes any sense. I'm always wary of a very town leaning player until they can be confirmed.

Am I the only player leaning town for you?


Personally, I have little experience with mass claims, but from what I've read in MD then theoretically I suppose it would be a good idea to mass claim now (with a scum roleblocker gone).


VOTE: CMAR

pappums was scum, CMAR is scum, etc.


pappums' Snake vote still bothers me. Looking through CES' ISO, although it is admittedly out of context, he is quite quick to hop from the Snake wagon to the Ant wagon then back to the Snake wagon.

Scum: Snake, Ant, Zang

I would expect at least one of his scumbuddies to be on here. Leaning towards Snake.

[Hoppster]

aVOTE: No Lynch

[Hoppster]

UNVOTE:

Zang and Snake, thoughts on the claim?

bv, why were you so eager to claim (first)?

Mod: V/LA Friday-Sunday (inclusive). Sorry for lack of notice.

[Hoppster]

Zang: Do you still want to No Lynch? What's your bv read?

[Magna's] early play this game rubbed me the wrong way

I actually agree with this. There was something dodgy about him (or so I thought) but I didn't know what.

Popcorn to somebody else please.

[Hoppster]

Zang, do you think that if bv was Mafia that his scum-team would have some sort of vig-shot (possibly 1-shot)?

[Hoppster]

This is getting close to stalemate. I agree with Zang's comments around the No Vote, however I can't shake the feeling we are being duped for the scum to get a free hit.

VOTE: Unvote

Snake, thoughts on:

a) bv's claim
b) Lynch vs No Lynch

[Hoppster]

You should be able to which I prefer from my posts.

I'll explain (what I think) and why after we hear back from Snake.


@ Ant: Top suspect?

[Hoppster]

So, Zang, you definitely want a No Lynch?

[Hoppster]

AAaaaah.


Zang, Surye, updated bv reads pronto. I know you've said/hinted your reads previously but I want them as of this post.

[Hoppster]

I get the logic, and with no other option as I think BV's claim is solid looks like

VOTE: No Lynch

Do you not see what's wrong with this?

[Hoppster]

I have been trying to gently prod people into seeing sense, but it's not working.

We are

not

No Lynching today.

We are mass-claiming and lynching.

You either mass-claim or you lynch. Not a horrible mixture of both like we're doing at the moment.

Why not?

Well, this very situation we're in is a text-book example why not.

I want scum to be shooting essentially blind. In this situation, the more information the town tries to get, the more likely scum can gain something useful.

See, the problem with this is:

scum aren't shooting blind in the faintest.

bv's un-CC'd claim for responsibility of MoI's death means that his role is confirmed, and I'm doubtful of a Mafia One-Shot Vig, and he is unlikely SK due to only one death yesterday (despite Doc and JK being dead).

This means he is town.

So, what happens if we No Lynch?

bv gets NK'd.


Are there any benefits?

No.

We don't have better odds of lynching scum: we're not lynching bv. His death does not make a shred of difference to the potential lynch-pool.


Are there any costs?

Yes.

In lylo (tomorrow), all town have to be right: with one wrong townie scum can pile onto the wagon for the win.


So we lynch today. Not a No Lynch.

No lynch 3 - Zang, Surye, Snake (No Lynch -1)

AT LEAST one scum is on here, and I've got a feeling that both are.

This is getting close to stalemate. I agree with Zang's comments around the No Vote, however I can't shake the feeling we are being duped for the scum to get a free hit.

VOTE: Unvote

This is a great way for scum to leave their options open and go with either lynch or No Lynch based on the general consensus.

Indeed:

I get the logic, and with no other option as I think BV's claim is solid looks like

VOTE: No Lynch

This is a poor post.

Snake's making it seem like the only options are a bv lynch or a No Lynch - which is just wrong.

There are plenty of other good options.

Like a Snake lynch.

VOTE: SnakePlissken

[Hoppster]

Rose Tyler, VT.

Surye, why did you feel the need to breadcrumb your name?

[Hoppster]

Possibly, but possibly not. In my experience Scum will always breadcrumb early on to setup their fake claim. Town don't need to hide anything as they don't ave to lie their way out of situations. I'm still not entirely happy with Zang being Torchwood & vanilla. In fact there's way too many vanilla claims and Ant has been on for a while. Im going to stick with my initial reaction though.

VOTE: Zang

I don't like this post for one reason, his vote did not end up on me. He also almost indirectly attacks me, with what I consider a better case than on Zang, but votes Zang.

Why would scum do that?

Attacking me too strongly brings his claim into question.

I know I didn't like the idea of him as scum before, but he wasn't confirmed, and this isn't helping. Would love for Ant to get in here...

^ This is a good post.

So your saying that you want me to vote for you? I can do that, but my feeling currently is that The Doctors are the vanillas.

The Doctors are vanillas?

The Rufflig was he 11th Doctor, town Doctor. Killed night 1

Also if Ant don't get in here soon, we may have to look at the lurker a bit more closely.

Mod is Ant due a prod?

Nice try at deflecting suspicion off yourself, scum.

If we mislynch today, we lose. We are No-Lynching. No-Lynching means I probably die, but we get one more night of PRs getting to do their work.

vote: No Lynch

As Zang said, Ant (possibly) aside, there are no PRs. We still lose if we mislynch tomorrow, and it's more dangerous then as only one townie needs to be wrong as opposed to two today.

What do we gain from leaving Snake-scum alive?

[Hoppster]

The Doctors are vanillas?

I corrected myself in the following post. Way to mislead everyone Hop.

Scratch that just looked back at the VTs.

That makes no reference to the 11th Doctor being a Doctor.

Nice try at deflecting suspicion off yourself, scum.

What asking for a Prod is deflection?

Not that bit. This bit:

Also if Ant don't get in here soon, we may have to look at the lurker a bit more closely.

But you knew that, didn't you.

We still lose if we mislynch tomorrow

So you want to lynch me and set yourself up for the loss. Genius move.

What?

Makes me wonder if we are looking at actually a Hoppster/Ant scum team?

"Nice try at deflecting suspicion off yourself, scum."

You realise you're still voting Zang, right?

[Hoppster]

PeregrineV: You are last to claim. Claim plz, and then we can lynch Snake-scum.

In fact i'd rather you lynch me to get the game moving than have nothing going on.

Cool. Let's do that.

[Hoppster]

Thanks for modding, Jason. Enjoyed it (paticularly as I won! Squeeee!).