Hoppster wrote:Scum are DeityKabuto and jilynne (failing that, Moratorium).
Discuss.
DeityKabuto wrote:Everyone with a vote one is delusional. They are too lazy to scumhunt so they just easy-vote-my-ass.
That is bullshit, what has this game become?
DeityKabuto wrote:Amrun wrote:Town won't get any information.
That for one, and I am a doctor, if you ordered me to, I would go to the depths of screenshotting my role PM, wouldn't the game be easier if things were as simple as that? But I consider that cheating, so No, but you have to trust me on this one, the all of you.
DeityKabuto wrote:Claim: Paranoid Doctor
You may protect one person at night from a kill.
DeityKabuto wrote:Amrun wrote:YOU CLAIMED PARANOID DOCTOR
THAT IS LITERALLY NOT POSSIBLE
Fine, it didn't say Paranoid Doctor in my role PM but I am assuming I am paranoid since on the topic is has the list of roles and it says Paranoid is the role blocker. SO IT IS POSSIBLE.
jilynne1991 wrote:Right now, I have IceGuy and Amrun as town. Hoppster and Moratorium seem to be leaning town. Tim_hill is null for me, and DeityKabuto seems to be leaning scum. No one scummy enough for me to vote yet though. Chkflip is leaning town, while I have HelooooNewman as null possibly leaning scum because of the lack of activity.
Amrun wrote:Lol.
I kind of want to be lynched this game just to stick it to this lazy town, but that's playing against wincon.
It's good that you were expressing reads, but you were doing NOTHING to further them - not even voting, let alone questioning your suspects.
You were leaving all THAT hard work to everyone else (me).
That's not advancing the gamestate.
At least you're voting now.
HellloooNewman wrote:Quilford wrote:
1 - jilynne's posts indicate tim is the best lynch
2 - my gut indicates Amrun/Moratorium is the best lynch
3 - feeling doubtful on Hoppster, but I think he's probstown
Translation:
1 - Tim is the best lynch
2 - No wait, either Amrun or Moratorium is the best lynch!
3 - I'm skeptical of Hoppster, but regardless of how I feel, I am going to call him town.
Wishy washy bullshit.
HellloooNewman wrote:Quilford wrote:1) why would I need to stall, lol
2) how is that stalling, lol
3) how is expressing reads not saying much, lol
4) how did I say 'a lot of words', lol
5) lol
6) lol
pedit: amrun is almost definitely scum
VOTE: Amrun
1 - Cause you are possibly scum, and want time to think of a way to get yourself town cred AND pre-start a wagon for tomorrow
2 - Cause you said nothing and didn't vote
3 - Its not saying much when you talk out of both sides of your mouth
4 - It's a figure of speech. Quit being a literal libby
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tim_hill1990 wrote:I'm actuallykindawondering about Quilford now, i've seenmostlyflakey play from him.
The main thing that stands out for me is his defence of DK after the lynch, seems like itcould bean attempt to gain town cred.
Defending me, while good for meseems likea similar ploy.
I also get akind ofcoasting feel from his play, seemsvery much liketrying to fade into the background, rather than become directly involved.
Mostly speculation here though.
tim_hill1990 wrote:I have no read on Jilynne.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Jillyne> Same as Iceguy, not much of a read> null
tim_hill1990 wrote:Quilford> Picked out the DK mislynch early, so this renders him town imo, could be scum trying to gain town cred on a dumb lynch but it didn't seem that way to me.
tim_hill1990 wrote:The main thing that stands out for me is his defence of DK after the lynch, seems like it could be an attempt to gain town cred.
tim_hill1990 wrote:I would agree that the last scum is most likely to be either Quilford or Moratorium
tim_hill1990 wrote:Moratorium> I get a town read
tim_hill1990 wrote:Moratorium> Active player with some good insight> leaning town
tim_hill1990 wrote:- Other option I would consider is Quilford, but I just get a gut townie read from him more than anything.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun, well I guess I didn't like how she approached the case on me, particularly the attempt to get a quicklynch, but the rest of her play indicates active town.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun> leaning scum
jilynne1991 wrote:Tim_hill is null for me,
jilynne1991 wrote:Tim gave me a bad feeling, but I don't understand *any* of the reasoning behind the lynch.
jilynne1991 wrote:I've only finished one game. I'm suprised you can judge me that much based on one game.
jilynne1991 wrote:You seem to base alot on Meta. I'm not that experience of a player, but I don't think you should.
jilynne1991 wrote:Isn't Jilly new to this game? In which case how can you truly get an accurate read from her meta?
What someone does in one game isn't indicative of what they do all the time. I'm relatively new and i've changed my way of playing many times, different strategies and game plans etc...
Quilford wrote:tim_hill1990 wrote:I have no read on Jilynne.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Jillyne> Same as Iceguy, not much of a read> null
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tim_hill1990 wrote:Quilford> Picked out the DK mislynch early, so this renders him town imo, could be scum trying to gain town cred on a dumb lynch but it didn't seem that way to me.
tim_hill1990 wrote:The main thing that stands out for me is his defence of DK after the lynch, seems like it could be an attempt to gain town cred.
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tim_hill1990 wrote:I would agree that the last scum is most likely to be either Quilford or Moratorium
tim_hill1990 wrote:Moratorium> I get a town read
tim_hill1990 wrote:Moratorium> Active player with some good insight> leaning town
tim_hill1990 wrote:- Other option I would consider is Quilford, but I just get a gut townie read from him more than anything.
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tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun, well I guess I didn't like how she approached the case on me, particularly the attempt to get a quicklynch, but the rest of her play indicates active town.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun> leaning scum
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jilynne1991 wrote:Tim_hill is null for me,
jilynne1991 wrote:Tim gave me a bad feeling, but I don't understand *any* of the reasoning behind the lynch.
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jilynne1991 wrote:I've only finished one game. I'm suprised you can judge me that much based on one game.
jilynne1991 wrote:You seem to base alot on Meta. I'm not that experience of a player, but I don't think you should.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Isn't Jilly new to this game? In which case how can you truly get an accurate read from her meta?
What someone does in one game isn't indicative of what they do all the time. I'm relatively new and i've changed my way of playing many times, different strategies and game plans etc...
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it's a friggin' goldmine in here
tim_hill1990 wrote:Haha, you are so flailing scum right now, what with the awesome rampant posting with stuff on me right after i'd voted for you.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Quilford wrote:Quilford wrote:tim_hill1990 wrote:I have no read on Jilynne.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Jillyne> Same as Iceguy, not much of a read> null
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I had no read on her, hell I had hardly any read on anyone
Scum typically have null reads on their partners at early stages in the game. Also the latter half of that sentence is false.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Quilford> Picked out the DK mislynch early, so this renders him town imo, could be scum trying to gain town cred on a dumb lynch but it didn't seem that way to me.
tim_hill1990 wrote:The main thing that stands out for me is his defence of DK after the lynch, seems like it could be an attempt to gain town cred.
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How does this indict me as scum?
You go from 'to me it doesn't seem like Quilford picking out the DK mislynch early is scummy, in fact it renders him town' to 'OH HE PICKED OUT THE DK MISLYNCH HE'S SCUM TRYING TO GAIN TOWN CRED'. ie OBVIOUS FUCKING CONTRADICTION
tim_hill1990 wrote:I would agree that the last scum is most likely to be either Quilford or Moratorium
tim_hill1990 wrote:Moratorium> I get a town read
tim_hill1990 wrote:Moratorium> Active player with some good insight> leaning town
tim_hill1990 wrote:- Other option I would consider is Quilford, but I just get a gut townie read from him more than anything.
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Are these taken out of context? I don't consider HN, Hoppster or Amrun to be scum, I think they are all town. This leaves you two. At the time of these posts I didn't really consider either of you two scum
In the post where you voted me you said that the last scum was likely to be me or Moratorium. In the posts prior to that in which you had stated reads, you put Moratorium and I as town. Between those posts you had said NOTHING about either of those reads changing. Plus the reasons that you did list in the post in which you voted me contradict with your earlier statements.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun, well I guess I didn't like how she approached the case on me, particularly the attempt to get a quicklynch, but the rest of her play indicates active town.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun> leaning scum
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Taken out of context, man this is so an attempt to discredit me.
Again there was literally nothing between these posts showing that you had changed your stance on Amrun; explain how it was taken out of context (yes I am requesting you do this) before you go cry about how it was 'an attempt to discredit you' (bullshit).
jilynne1991 wrote:Tim_hill is null for me,
jilynne1991 wrote:Tim gave me a bad feeling, but I don't understand *any* of the reasoning behind the lynch.
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Town cred
What does that comment even mean? What's obvious here is that jilynne didn't jump onto your bandwagon nearly as readily as she jumped onto DeityKabuto's. Also she vaguely mentions a 'bad feeling' about you (ie trying to gain town cred when you flip scum) and then says she didn't understand any of the reasoning (blanket statement) instead of pointing out specifically why she didn't understand it.
jilynne1991 wrote:I've only finished one game. I'm suprised you can judge me that much based on one game.
jilynne1991 wrote:You seem to base alot on Meta. I'm not that experience of a player, but I don't think you should.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Isn't Jilly new to this game? In which case how can you truly get an accurate read from her meta?
What someone does in one game isn't indicative of what they do all the time. I'm relatively new and i've changed my way of playing many times, different strategies and game plans etc...
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Well what I said is true.
The point here is that Jilynne said that meta wasn't really useful when analysing her play. Later, she flipped scum. Today, you asked how it was possible to use Jilynne's meta usefully. You are using the same excuse that she did; you will flip scum.
it's a friggin' goldmine in here
Kindly point to which one of these does not make you scum and explain why.
Quilford wrote:
Earlier today I suspected you. That's why.
Bollocks, you had no intention of voting for me.
Kindly learn to read, the quote before that was something that Amrun had said about me not buying her case. Therefore I was talking to Amrun, not you.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Quilford wrote:Quilford wrote:tim_hill1990 wrote:I have no read on Jilynne.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Jillyne> Same as Iceguy, not much of a read> null
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I had no read on her, hell I had hardly any read on anyone
Scum typically have null reads on their partners at early stages in the game. Also the latter half of that sentence is false.
I gave reads, most of them had no real substance behind them though, mostly speculation
You've used the 'speculation' excuse twice now.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Quilford> Picked out the DK mislynch early, so this renders him town imo, could be scum trying to gain town cred on a dumb lynch but it didn't seem that way to me.
tim_hill1990 wrote:The main thing that stands out for me is his defence of DK after the lynch, seems like it could be an attempt to gain town cred.
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How does this indict me as scum?
You go from 'to me it doesn't seem like Quilford picking out the DK mislynch early is scummy, in fact it renders him town' to 'OH HE PICKED OUT THE DK MISLYNCH HE'S SCUM TRYING TO GAIN TOWN CRED'. ie OBVIOUS FUCKING CONTRADICTION
Except if wasn't a contradiction because I said "it could be scum trying to gain town cred but it doesn't seem that way", I thought about it some more and came to a different conclusion. This was after you coasted day two.
If you had thought about it some more you would've said that you had thought about it some more in the actual post. Bullshit. Also, what made you 'come to a different conclusion'? Also, show that I coasted with quotes, etc. because I think that's just a buzzword you're throwing around.
tim_hill1990 wrote:I would agree that the last scum is most likely to be either Quilford or Moratorium
tim_hill1990 wrote:Moratorium> I get a town read
tim_hill1990 wrote:Moratorium> Active player with some good insight> leaning town
tim_hill1990 wrote:- Other option I would consider is Quilford, but I just get a gut townie read from him more than anything.
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Are these taken out of context? I don't consider HN, Hoppster or Amrun to be scum, I think they are all town. This leaves you two. At the time of these posts I didn't really consider either of you two scum
In the post where you voted me you said that the last scum was likely to be me or Moratorium. In the posts prior to that in which you had stated reads, you put Moratorium and I as town. Between those posts you had said NOTHING about either of those reads changing. Plus the reasons that you did list in the post in which you voted me contradict with your earlier statements.
that's true but I also had previously mentioned that I didn't think Hoppster or Hn were scum. I also made my mind up on Amrun, that she was highly likely to not be scum. This leaves you two.You had points which could be read as scummy or town, initially I felt town but after review decide town.
If you had thought about it some more you would've said that you had thought about it some more in the actual post. Bullshit. Also, what made you come to a different conclusion? Also, what are these points you talk about (underlined)? Quote them and explain.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun, well I guess I didn't like how she approached the case on me, particularly the attempt to get a quicklynch, but the rest of her play indicates active town.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun> leaning scum
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Taken out of context, man this is so an attempt to discredit me.
Again there was literally nothing between these posts showing that you had changed your stance on Amrun; explain how it was taken out of context (yes I am requesting you do this) before you go cry about how it was 'an attempt to discredit you' (bullshit).
You've got both these quotes round the wrong way, the top one came after the bottom one. The way you've aligned them makes it look like I was being contradictory. Also there is large gap between these posts, things change, so has my opinion.
It's contradictory regardless. If you had thought about it some more you would've said that you had thought about it some more in the actual post. Bullshit. Also, what made you come to a different conclusion? (that's the third time I've c/p'd that)
jilynne1991 wrote:Tim_hill is null for me,
jilynne1991 wrote:Tim gave me a bad feeling, but I don't understand *any* of the reasoning behind the lynch.
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Town cred
What does that comment even mean? What's obvious here is that jilynne didn't jump onto your bandwagon nearly as readily as she jumped onto DeityKabuto's. Also she vaguely mentions a 'bad feeling' about you (ie trying to gain town cred when you flip scum) and then says she didn't understand any of the reasoning (blanket statement) instead of pointing out specifically why she didn't understand it.
She knew it was likely either me or DK going to be lynched. She also knew that if she looked like she didn't support my lynch that would make her look better. Also check out post 332 for an example of where I noticed Jillyne's rolefishing ploy, not something scum would ordinarily point out
I'll check out post 332 later. She jumped onto DK's bandwagon with practically no reason; why didn't she jump onto yours?
jilynne1991 wrote:I've only finished one game. I'm suprised you can judge me that much based on one game.
jilynne1991 wrote:You seem to base alot on Meta. I'm not that experience of a player, but I don't think you should.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Isn't Jilly new to this game? In which case how can you truly get an accurate read from her meta?
What someone does in one game isn't indicative of what they do all the time. I'm relatively new and i've changed my way of playing many times, different strategies and game plans etc...
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Well what I said is true.
The point here is that Jilynne said that meta wasn't really useful when analysing her play. Later, she flipped scum. Today, you asked how it was possible to use Jilynne's meta usefully. You are using the same excuse that she did; you will flip scum.
Sure, but that's me arguing theory and not the outcome. Jillyne turned up dead by sheer luck, had nothing to do with meta analysis. I was arguing the theory because Amrun was using it on me, meta use being something I don't agree with.
Why did you not state you didn't agree with meta use when Amrun was using it on jilynne? My point is that she said her meta wasn't useful to wriggle out of suspicion, I see you doing the same thing here. She flipped scum.
it's a friggin' goldmine in here
Kindly point to which one of these does not make you scum and explain why.
Quilford wrote:
Earlier today I suspected you. That's why.
Bollocks, you had no intention of voting for me.
Kindly learn to read, the quote before that was something that Amrun had said about me not buying her case. Therefore I was talking to Amrun, not you.
