OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

[Hoppster]

Do you agree to target Newman, Hoppster?

Yup.


Amrun - it's possible that scum

did

try to kill you (and was foiled by Quilford-protect). Both deaths last night could have been town-originated.

[Amrun]

TRUE. Kind of forgot.

IceGuy was a reasonable kill, though.

[Amrun]

Actually, I mishammered. So IceGuy as a kill makes more sense than me, now that I think about it.
You might have made a better kill than IceGuy, though, hmmm...

[Amrun]

Not sure how I'm supposed to address the fact that you think I'm... the second worst townie? Thank you? I'm wierded out by this, it's like a reverse backhanded compliment.

I currently have you as my top scumread, simply because I'm pretty sure that at least one scum player was on the early DK wagon, and the other players on the wagon appear towny.

tim_hill: Scummy for posting a minimum of posts containing a minimum of content.

jilynne: May be flaking; if she isn't replaced, same as tim_hill.

DK: Scummy because he went through the roof when Hoppster had a slight suspicion on him.

Newman: Neutral. It's pretty obvious that you have something against DK, but that seems to be on a personal level and have nothing to do with the game. Your arguments against hypodoc'ing and for mountainous are strange and scummy, but your posts before that are towny.

Amrun, Quilford and Hoppster: Town.

Even though in his very next post, IceGuy retracted his suspicion of Moratorium, this is the most suspicion that anyne ever expressed towards Moratorium - and the retraction makes it a less obvious threatkill. Plus Ice was totally obvtown.

I was thinking Hoppster would have been a good kill for a jil/Moratorium scumteam - and this is still true, but IceGuy was also a good kill.

I am happy with a Moratorium lynch today. Hoppster is my only workable compromise,but is not at all ideal.

[Amrun]

Sure.

• Amrun
  
• HellloooNewman
  
• tim_hill1990
  
• DeityKabuto
  
• IceGuy
  
• jilynne1991
  
• Mortatorium
  
• Hoppster
  
• Quilford

Aww, eff - hypodoc list makes timhill more likely scum and makes a Moratorium team slightly less likely, because he would have KNOWN Hoppster wasn't protected - but then again, WIFOM.

Sticking by my decision.

[Quilford]

What is the point of Hello being protected?

[Moratorium]

Because having a practically confirmed townie in threeway lylo increases odds significantly for a town win.

On Amrun's case, I feel it's all pretty vague, describing normal scumhunting activity (giving reads, not stating anyone as absolute town on D1, asking for scumreads of other players), attempting to single me for "gamebreaking" which seems odd in this game considering what happened (my formal logic request vs. Hoppster's RVS-Killer post), and WIFOM arguments ("A lot of things in my Moratorium 'case' could go either way and I realize that.").

I can't decide whether it's scum-Amrun attempting to take advantage of Hoppster <-> Moratorium, or whether it's town-frustrated-Amrun trying to squeeze blood out of a rock.

[Amrun]

Quil: Now the scum won't know whether to target Newman and have a fair chance of the kill being blocked or have a better chance of killing another townie.

Moratorium: No, you don't really have anything that on its own says OMG HE IS TEH SCUMZ, but no one else does either. The biggest point in your favor is your defense of tim and it threw me off for a little bit.

But I truly believe in my case and I truly believe you are scum, and lord knows if I don't make a case on someone, no one will be lynched.

What do you mean I am trying to "single you for gamebreaking?"

Also how would I be capitalizing on Moratorium vs Hoppster - just because he is the next best candidate by PoE? That doesn't make much sense.

You make the most sense as scum. Just because you're good scum doesn't change that.

[Moratorium]

What do you mean I am trying to "single you for gamebreaking?"

In the sense that you have no problem with Hoppster's call to break the game by way of his RVS-killer post, but you have a problem with me wanting to use critical logic to do the same thing. How is my suggestion (which, to be honest, was a request for proficiency, and ultimately futile) putting me in a worse light than Hoppster?

Which is essentially fueling my "taking advantage of the Hoppster-Moratorium confrontation" thoughts. But Hoppster's still worse than you right now, as you might truly be a frustrated townie who doesn't see an obvious case to pursue.

[Moratorium]

But I truly believe in my case and I truly believe you are scum, and lord knows if I don't make a case on someone, no one will be lynched.

That's where I have a hard time reading you. That's pretty simply stated, and says either you are frustrated town or scum pretending to be so and using existing confrontations to his advantage.

[Amrun]

Well, that "point" is so miniscule and looking back you seem genuinely interested in it. It is not indicative of alignment. I don't see a lot of scumhunting potential in it, though, but that might just be me.

[Hoppster]

I can't decide whether it's scum-Amrun attempting to take advantage of Hoppster <-> Moratorium, or whether it's town-frustrated-Amrun

trying to squeeze blood out of a rock.

Forgive me, I'm not familiar with that expression. Although I have a rough idea of what you're trying to say, I don't see how it (my 'rough idea') is applicable to this situation, so you're going to have to explain it.

[Amrun]

He means I am trying to make a case that isn't there - but there isn't a good case to be made on any single player left, so that defense is meh.

[HellloooNewman]

Alright, let's try this approach. If it were 1 hour to deadline and you HAD to lynch someone, who would it be?

My top choice is TimHill.

[Amrun]

Moratorium.

When IS deadline?

[Moratorium]

Hoppster.

DEADLINE
FRIDAY 8 JULY 2011 23:59:59 UTC

[tim_hill1990]

I'm actually kinda wondering about Quilford now, i've seen mostly flakey play from him.
The main thing that stands out for me is his defence of DK after the lynch, seems like it could be an attempt to gain town cred.
Defending me, while good for me seems like a similar ploy.
I also get a kind of coasting feel from his play, seems very much like trying to fade into the background, rather than become directly involved.
Mostly speculation here though.

Moratorium on the other hand I think is town, he seems like he's actually trying to scum hunt, although I don't agree with the case on Hoppster.

Amrun, well I guess I didn't like how she approached the case on me, particularly the attempt to get a quicklynch, but the rest of her play indicates active town.

Hoppster, HN= Town

So I guess the answer to

Alright, let's try this approach. If it were 1 hour to deadline and you HAD to lynch someone, who would it be?

is Quilford at this stage. I would agree that the last scum is most likely to be either Quilford or Moratorium, it's less likely Moratorium IMO so must be Quilford.

VOTE: Quilford

[Quilford]

In what is likely to be seen as a massive OMGUS my answer is tim_hill.

Not only does jilynne's play point to it but he also conveniently avoids mentioning that I had jilynne pegged as scum above.

[Quilford]

I'm actually

kinda

wondering about Quilford now, i've seen

mostly

flakey play from him.
The main thing that stands out for me is his defence of DK after the lynch, seems like it

could be

an attempt to gain town cred.
Defending me, while good for me

seems like

a similar ploy.
I also get a

kind of

coasting feel from his play, seems

very much like

trying to fade into the background, rather than become directly involved.
Mostly speculation here though.

OH MY GOD

LYNCH IT
LYNCH IT WITH

FIRE

[Quilford]

VOTE: tim_hill1990

[Quilford]

Defending me,

while good for me

Scum thinking out loud.

[Quilford]

I have no read on Jilynne.

Jillyne> Same as Iceguy, not much of a read> null

HMMMMM

Quilford> Picked out the DK mislynch early, so this renders him town imo, could be scum trying to gain town cred on a dumb lynch but it didn't seem that way to me.

The main thing that stands out for me is his defence of DK after the lynch, seems like it could be an attempt to gain town cred.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I would agree that the last scum is most likely to be either Quilford or Moratorium

Moratorium> I get a town read

Moratorium> Active player with some good insight> leaning town

- Other option I would consider is Quilford, but I just get a gut townie read from him more than anything.

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Amrun, well I guess I didn't like how she approached the case on me, particularly the attempt to get a quicklynch, but the rest of her play indicates active town.

Amrun> leaning scum

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Tim_hill is null for me,

Tim gave me a bad feeling, but I don't understand *any* of the reasoning behind the lynch.

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I've only finished one game. I'm suprised you can judge me that much based on one game.

You seem to base alot on Meta. I'm not that experience of a player, but I don't think you should.

Isn't Jilly new to this game? In which case how can you truly get an accurate read from her meta?
What someone does in one game isn't indicative of what they do all the time. I'm relatively new and i've changed my way of playing many times, different strategies and game plans etc...

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it's a friggin' goldmine in here

[Quilford]

oh and tim_hill authored that last quote, whoops

[Quilford]

Provided we do something stupid like not lynching scum, you all do realise that Hoppster will be NK'd, right?

[Quilford]

Also a few of those aren't in chronological order but IT CHANGES NOTHING