LOOK AT ME I'M :GOODPOSTING:
Tarhalindur wrote:Why yes, that is a three-vote random bandwagon in the first 10 posts. Discuss.
It's five now. How's that for 'Discuss'?
Ant_to_the_max wrote:VOTE: Hoppster
You are Twistedspoon's friend right?
...
grrrrrr
I guess voting you will do because I can't kill him...and you are in the mini normal queue before me
Tarhalindur wrote:Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:FoS: Ant, Surye
???
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:FoS: pappums rat
Nexus wrote:I think he means the fact that both of them ignored the main wagon and the counterwagon. Likewise pappums. That's how it seems to me.
Nexus wrote:Stupid.
If I thought it was that scummy I would've put a vote down. Considering one of the three who is ignoring the counterwagon on him, I don't need to change my vote.
What's your opinion then?
Nexus wrote:I think completely ignoring all the previous posts is stupid, yes. Even if it was just a passing comment about them.
Nexus wrote:It's not inherently scummy, but it's enough for me to not need to change my vote from where it is because a) it was originally an attempt to gain information from a counterwagon and b) the person who the vote is on has managed to ignore both the Zang wagon and the attempted counterwagon. Like, what I'm trying to say is it isn't scummy enough to warrant a vote should I not have a vote down, or have a vote elsewhere, but as I have a vote there now, I'm fine with it remaining until more information surfaces. Clearer? (Probably not, I'm confusing myself )
I was specifically talking about the Zang wagon and the attempted counterwagon. Surely one if not both of those things needs to be addressed?
Nexus wrote:I didn't join the Zang wagon because I wasn't comfortable putting a player at L-1 without him posting and within like 10 posts, and I saw the opportunity to get information by being a part of a different wagon.
Nexus wrote:Speaking of Zang, I hope he posts soon. I'd like to hear his reaction to a L-2 wagon so quick x]
Surye wrote:Interesting
Surye wrote:The FoS on pappums was odd to me
Surye wrote:I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.
Nexus wrote:Hoppster: Well, that the three who ignored them both have done so. I can understand not jumping on a L-2 wagon, but why ignore a counter wagon as well, particularly in RVS?
The risk with putting Zang at L-1 is someone could be overzealous and hammer him, and I'm not one for one page Day 1's. No offence.
Tarhalindur wrote:MFoS: Surye
Surye wrote:Hoppster wrote:Surye wrote:The FoS on pappums was odd to me
But not on you or Ant?
If you read in order, you'd see my post was before he FoSed me. I realize this is a Dr Who Mafia, but I could not timetravel to see his FoS I'm afraid.
Surye wrote:Actually I am not sure. It's consistent with his first FoS (off wagon vote), so I actually like his reaction,and don't see it as defensive as I thought I'd get.
Zang wrote:Hoppster wrote:So why no vote, Zang?
Why not ask CES the same question?
Cogito Ergo Sum, in his first post, wrote:Vote: Zang
Zang, to Nexus, wrote:I'm not really sure what your argument with Hoppster is about. I understand how it started but it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:The Zang wagon didn't need any help. Counter wagon was Meh. No funny reasons why I should join or incentive. I thought I would make my own with the condemning evidence I had
Only other player I know is rat, but I will have to go back and look at that game to really remember him.
pappums rat wrote:Anyways, I think all this dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise, and the wagons were not useful at all other than clumsily getting us out of RVS.
Tarhalindur wrote:In other news: I'm of two minds about Hoppster, need to see more to judge.
Tarhalindur wrote:Hoppster and Nexus is probably a townie fight, with an outside chance of Hoppsterscum using questions to confuse the town. That's a very outside shot though.
iamausername wrote:Nexus is super obvious town.
Tar is totally right about Surye.
SnakePlissken wrote:3 pages already. Hate being late to the party and for the record I would have voted on the Zang wagon. In fact I will
VOTE: Zang
Hello to all I have played with before, special wave to Nexus.
RVS Questions
1. How long have people been playing MS here?
2. What is the most commonly used scum tell that you have seen?
3. Favoroite Doctor Who Monster?
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Hoppster is incredibly annoying to read.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Tar wrote:Hoppster and Nexus is probably a townie fight, with an outside chance of Hoppsterscum using questions to confuse the town. That's a very outside shot though.
Zang tell detected. If Hoppster and Nexus are both Town Tar is possible scum.
pappums rat wrote:MagnaofIllusion wrote:Hoppster is incredibly annoying to read. He constant refrain of “What reaction did you expect to get” is rather useless when he’s pre-empted the actual reactions from some players (Zang for example) with his questions. He’s peppered Nexus with a number of hypothetical questions that don’t serve any serious scum-hunting (“Would you put Zang at L-2 if he was at L-3?’) but more as a means to produce as “Gotcha, inconsistency” attack.
I agree with this statement. All Hoppster's questions thus far have been rather unnecessary and/or forced, and IMO it kind of sounds like he is trying to sound like he has a lot to say rather than actually having a lot to say.
Zang wrote:Hoppster wrote:Why have you [Ant] said nothing useful or non-RVS related so far at all?
I'm not ant but it may be because it was only on page 2.
[...]
Did you [SnakePlissken] just miss the past 2 pages of scumhunting
pappums rat wrote:Anyways, I think all this dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise
pappums rat wrote:Unvote
Vote: Hoppster
for making more out of this bullshit than what is reasonably concievable, and because his dialogue with Surye on his end rang hollow to me.
Surye wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:Surye wrote:We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.
Uh, WHAT? Prodding my foot - summary does not prodding make, nor does simply answering other people's questions.
And funny, I seemed to get reaction. Hmmm.
Zang wrote:I'm voting CES and I FoSed two other people.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:Hmm didn't see this one till Tar actually quoted it. That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum. Covering tracks if Zang actually flips scum here?
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion
Tarhalindur wrote:CES's lack of reasoning makes Tarhalindur a sad panda.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:Hoppster wrote:
So shouldn't you be voting Zang?
Your reason for voting MoI is, quite literally, "lol this is suspicious if Zang is scum".
You have it backwards
Ant_to_the_max wrote:"That is interesting that Magna writes of the possibility of scum being on the Zang wagon if Zang flips scum.Covering tracks?"ifZang actually flips scum here
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:Kill: Zang
Vote: Ant_to_the_Max
FoS: Surye, bv310, pappums_rat
Really? This has been so overused that it becomes almost obvious that it's a fake day kill gambit when you post it. What did you hope to gain from this?
The Rufflig wrote:By the way, no one has to tell me that they hate my reads. Everyone always hates my reads. If you hate my reads, tell me why you hate them or which reads you hate.
The Rufflig wrote:bv310: Not enough content - no real opinion.
[...]
pap: Not enough content - leaning a bit negative.
pappums rat wrote:Alright, I have read through the game again and I still found the Zang wagon and the Surye counter-wagon to be counter-productive. When people are run up like that, how exactly are they supposed to respond? People are going to read whatever they are looking for into the player's response to this and as such I think it is a poor scumhunting technique.
At this point I am going to
Unvote
Vote: Snake
His second RQS question, as has been pointed out, can potentially help scum, so I see no town motivation behind it. His third post has a couple of points of concern for me. First, he says he is going to have to spend some "serious time to read all of this" despite the fact that there is only 5 pages. It sounds to me like he is trying to buy for time and active lurk here. Also, in my opinion his reason for voting Nexus is bad.
Zang wrote:Hoppster wrote:Uhh, not liking this reaction at all.
Can't quite put my finger on it but my gut is POSITIVELY SCREAMING to me that this is a scum reaction to an apparent DK-gambit on himself.
Feels a bit like scum gleefully mocking somebody who fake DK'd him.
It wasn't an apparent fake day kill gambit, it was proven that it was a fake day kill gambit when the mod posted. Also why do you think that I'm scum gleefully mocking someone who fake day killed me instead of town gleefully mocking someone who fake day killed me.
Zang wrote:Tahalindur wrote:Kill: Zang
Really? This has been so overused that it becomes almost obvious that it's a fake day kill gambit when you post it. What did you hope to gain from this?
The Rufflig wrote:@hoppster: If you wanted to know why I was leaning negative on pappums, you should have left a post of his for me.
Nexus wrote:Oh, Tar, fake daykills are lame.
pappums rat wrote:something
SnakePlissken wrote:My first thoughts back are this. Ive played with Nexus a fair few times offsite andwhenever he gets really aggressive & into arguments fairly easily he's more often than not scum
SnakePlissken wrote:So the screwdriver gambit gave me a town response from CES,Nexus usual aggressionand Zang, drawing attention to a role.
Zang wrote:Its not that he missed be but that he never shot. It would be more like if the guy took a pistol, shot someone and water came out. Then the person, soaking wet and confused, asked why he would do that.
The Rufflig wrote:Zang's play is confusing me. I keep running through it and I keep coming up with the same conclusion. Either Snake or Zang is scum. Anyone else come to a similar conclusion?
Tarhalindur wrote:Nexus wrote:Whatever. I said I was seeing if there was anyone scummier when I did a re read, so I don't know how that's me only trying to get Snake lynched. I don't believe his claim, but that's about it. It's certainly not enough to make me unvote until I've re-read.[...]
Also, that explanation is even scummier than the first sentence of the post I just quoted (and I should have pointed it out in my last post - I blame posting at 2 in the morning). If you don't believe his claim, it follows that you think he is scum. However, you then say that you're going to reread to see if there's anyone scummier.
This does not follow.
Townies should NEVER lie when claiming without a damn good reason, and it's a risky play even then. If you think that Snake is lying about his claim, then YOU THINK THAT HE IS LYING SCUM. I find it EXTREMELY difficult to believe that you actually think that you might find a player who is scummier than a player who you clearly believe is LYING about his claim. I could see it if you had concluded that a Snake lynch was no longer feasible and were switching to a second preference, but I don't see any evidence of such a thought process here, and I don't think it's supported by the game state at any rate.
No, the reason that you are looking for "anyone scummier" is because you are SCUM who doesn't actually care whether a player is scummy so long as they aren't on your team.
Nexus wrote:I am still voting for him? I just said I was going to look for the others as well.
*shakes head*
Hoppster wrote:The Rufflig wrote:Zang's play is confusing me. I keep running through it and I keep coming up with the same conclusion. Either Snake or Zang is scum. Anyone else come to a similar conclusion?
You're going to have to show your working for this.
Nexus wrote:Wilfred Mott-Vanilla Town. I enjoy stargazing andam related to Donna.
Zang wrote:Actually this makes me think. What if there are more than one doctors such as the newest doctor in this game then it would make more sense if the 10th doctor is scum or a fake claim. Especially, sense it was specified that he was the tenth doctor instead of just the doctor.
Zang wrote:The Ruffig wrote:As for the other thing, I thought of it. If I decide to believe you and Snake flips town are you willing to let us lynch you next?
Snake is currently my biggest scum read so I would be willing to sacrifice myself if it means that you'll lynch him.
Nexus wrote:I don't understand why you think the Tenth Doctor would be only a VT, but Wilfred wouldn't? :S
Surye wrote:MagnaofIllusion wrote:2. Zang’s content dwarfs yours this game.
2) Sup kettle.
Nexus wrote:Also, Hoppster has disapoofed after jumping on my wagon two days ago.
Nexus wrote:Oh, nice ad hom there.
Squirm some more.
Zang wrote:Hoppster wrote:Why would the prescence of other incarnations of the Doctor in this game mean that specifically the 10th Doctor makes more sense as a scum or fake claim?
The doctor is such a powerful and innocent role that it doesn't seem very likely but if there were more than one doctor then it would probably be more likely that one is scum or a fake claim. The fact that he claimed the 10th doctor instead of just The Doctor supports this.
Zang wrote:Actually this makes me think. What if there are more than one doctors such as the newest doctor in this game thenit would make more sense ifEspecially, sense it was specified that he was the tenth doctor instead of just the doctor.the 10th doctoris scum or a fake claim.
Zang wrote:Hoppster wrote:This may sound weird, but could you read what Rufflig said again and then answer it again for me please?
Why? I already answered it.
bv310 wrote:I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.
SnakePlissken wrote:Hoppster peaks my interest because he's leaning so town, it makes me think that, that's what he wants us to think, if that makes any sense. I'm always wary of a very town leaning player until they can be confirmed.
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Scum: Snake, Ant, Zang
bv310 wrote:[Magna's] early play this game rubbed me the wrong way
SnakePlissken wrote:This is getting close to stalemate. I agree with Zang's comments around the No Vote, however I can't shake the feeling we are being duped for the scum to get a free hit.
VOTE: Unvote
Surye wrote:I want scum to be shooting essentially blind. In this situation, the more information the town tries to get, the more likely scum can gain something useful.
jasonT1981 wrote:No lynch 3 - Zang, Surye, Snake (No Lynch -1)
SnakePlissken wrote:This is getting close to stalemate. I agree with Zang's comments around the No Vote, however I can't shake the feeling we are being duped for the scum to get a free hit.
VOTE: Unvote
SnakePlissken wrote:I get the logic, and with no other option as I think BV's claim is solid looks like
VOTE: No Lynch
Surye (emphasis mine) wrote:SnakePlissken wrote:Possibly, but possibly not. In my experience Scum will always breadcrumb early on to setup their fake claim. Town don't need to hide anything as they don't ave to lie their way out of situations. I'm still not entirely happy with Zang being Torchwood & vanilla. In fact there's way too many vanilla claims and Ant has been on for a while. Im going to stick with my initial reaction though.
VOTE: Zang
I don't like this post for one reason, his vote did not end up on me. He also almost indirectly attacks me, with what I consider a better case than on Zang, but votes Zang.
Why would scum do that?Attacking me too strongly brings his claim into question.I know I didn't like the idea of him as scum before, but he wasn't confirmed, and this isn't helping. Would love for Ant to get in here...
SnakePlissken wrote:So your saying that you want me to vote for you? I can do that, but my feeling currently is that The Doctors are the vanillas.
jasonT1981 wrote:The Rufflig was he 11th Doctor, town Doctor. Killed night 1
SnakePlissken wrote:Also if Ant don't get in here soon, we may have to look at the lurker a bit more closely.
Mod is Ant due a prod?
bv310 wrote:If we mislynch today, we lose. We are No-Lynching. No-Lynching means I probably die, but we get one more night of PRs getting to do their work.
vote: No Lynch
SnakePlissken wrote:The Doctors are vanillas?
I corrected myself in the following post. Way to mislead everyone Hop.
SnakePlissken wrote:Scratch that just looked back at the VTs.
SnakePlissken wrote:Nice try at deflecting suspicion off yourself, scum.
What asking for a Prod is deflection?
SnakePlissken wrote:Also if Ant don't get in here soon, we may have to look at the lurker a bit more closely.
SnakePlissken wrote:We still lose if we mislynch tomorrow
So you want to lynch me and set yourself up for the loss. Genius move.
SnakePlissken wrote:Makes me wonder if we are looking at actually a Hoppster/Ant scum team?
SnakePlissken wrote:In fact i'd rather you lynch me to get the game moving than have nothing going on.