Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[DrippingGoofball]

Pick one.

xvart
Yosarian
Tanain
Seraphim
RaudhGarm
Magister Ludi
Herodotus
bvoigt
Chronopie

xvart is the leading wagon.

[Porochaz]

xvart - Lead wagon because he is a good player, that is all. Its partially victimisation but mostly just shooting in the dark. Something hellishly huge has to happen before I even consider this a possibility.

Yosarian - Beyond what I said below. Yos is not playing to his town meta. He is a straight shooter and a logical thinker. I've seen emotive posts and I remember feeling that some of his posts just didnt make sense. I am reassessing my reads but I would be likely to change over at some point.

Tanain - newbie, makes my head implode, dont like him much if it was a regular game, think he would be too much of a wildcard n0

Others worth mentioning.

Cobbler - Is a good lynch for today and is the second leading wagon, something DGB neglected to say.

Katsuki - Read the game. Who's scum? Is a question a lurker scum asks to avoid suspicion, you need to post more.

DGB - Is a real pain. I know she hates the cobbler wagon, I don't need it rammed down my throat. Its starting to impact on my enjoyment here, my reread just made me angry anytime I had to go through her posts. Sometimes she is very good, other times she isn't. There is no middle ground. Even if I felt there was some reason for the xvart wagon I would be very strongly dissuaded by DGB's extra strong baseless push.

Other thoughts. Although I feel less strongly about the experience levels of recruits I do see the point in some of it. For instance, recruiting a newbie is a high risk strategy and an ineffctive one, day one. Anyone else is fair game. This counts as a positive in Cobblers direction mainly.

unvote

for now. I need to read back on certain players more fully. But until DGB shuts up about xvart I view her as useless as ABR and Kinetic and will be ignoring her as such.

[Herodotus]

Pick one.

xvart
Yosarian
Tanain
Seraphim
RaudhGarm
Magister Ludi
Herodotus
bvoigt
Chronopie

xvart is the leading wagon.

NEEDS MORE LULLABIES.

Translation: There's no sensible reason for you to have excluded Springlullaby. Do you have a town read on her? Is it because she has done something in this game that shows she wasn't recruited?

Also, it's pretty clear from my play that I'm town so far. If I get recruited, it will be obvious because I'm terrible as scum. Note to the recruiters: you're best off killing me if you can. If you recruit me, I'll probably be lynched, but if you don't recruit me, I probably won't be .

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB and lullaby are friends.

[Katsuki]

Pick one.

xvart
Yosarian
Tanain
Seraphim
RaudhGarm
Magister Ludi
Herodotus
bvoigt
Chronopie

xvart is the leading wagon.

I'm spose to find 2 scum from that giant list?? :/

I'm no good at this kinda stuff.

[Porochaz]

Pick one.

xvart
Yosarian
Tanain
Seraphim
RaudhGarm
Magister Ludi
Herodotus
bvoigt
Chronopie

xvart is the leading wagon.

I'm spose to find 2 scum from that giant list?? :/

I'm no good at this kinda stuff.

DGB is obv biased and has missed people out to suit her wants for proper list see Post 0 that should serve as a good starting point for the rest of the thread.

[ThAdmiral]

Question I have for the people who have played DGB before:

How hard is she to lynch?

I think ThAdmiral made a damn good point. Whoever is the one recruited would indeed be active, if not MORE active D1, Even if it draws them heat. Odds are we would be looking away from said person anyway. She already fits the active part by the way she is acting now, but if she also tends to get overlooked due to her mad ramblings D1, she could be a D1 recruit target. Personally, I think we should look at DGB at least a little before D1 is out.

To answer the first bit it depends on:
a) whether abr is playing
b) how much she decides to self-destruct
It can be easy or hard depending on these factors.

To the second bit I think you are on to something. I think it is highly unlikely that she would be a day 1 target. However if the town at large decided to "overlook her mad ramblings", as you might put it, she could definitely be recruit-bait for day 2 or later as she would be seen as accepted by the town.


Re: the cobbler situation.
I just can't see cobbler being a recruit, especially since he claimed what he claimed. In other words:

WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE STILL VOTING COBBLERFONE?

THIS.

Neither ABR nor Kinetic are crazy enough to take cobbler D1.

Vig bait / no real tactical benefit for later days.

xvart - Lead wagon because he is a good player, that is all. Its partially victimisation but mostly just shooting in the dark. Something hellishly huge has to happen before I even consider this a possibility.

I'll admit it really is just shooting in the dark, but at least there is

some

logic behind it, imo decent logic, and I don't think we're really going to catch obvscum.
Call me defeatist if you will.

[Zdenek]

@Zdenek
Agree on the long term implications but cobbler looks like someone who can handle himself when pressured (Have to read his previous game because ABR said he read everybody's previous game before making a choice)

I think that the amount of evidence that there is for that wouldn't be enough to convince either of CRs to decide to take him.

What makes you think that his claim is a lie?

DGB, why can't we lynch lullaby?

[Cobblerfone]

I changed my mind about Yosarian2.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Yosarian2

Why are you so focused on getting answers out of Rampage? Plus, during confirmation so it's a bit fuzzy of whether you could've been scum by then, you made guesses about the set-up and the number of scum and the way the recruiters pick. Set-up speculation is one of the few scumtells I trust. Especially since you seem to have a history of it from Succession One when you were a confirmed recruit. (Though I can't find the post so if that was actually someone else, it'd be helpful to point it out.)

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, why can't we lynch lullaby?

No offense to SL, but I wouldn't recruit her if I was using the criteria of "

bad-player-unlikely-recruit-WIFOM

," or the opposite criteria of "

unlikely-to-be-lynched

" or even "

great-scumpal-all-else-be-damned.

"

[DrippingGoofball]

I like Cobbler's vote, Yos has been bugging. He's not treating ABR and Kinetic the same.

[DrippingGoofball]

Normally I'd produce a list but I'll hold off until tomorrow, in case the confirmed scums have more recruiting up their sleeves.

[populartajo]

YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO CONFIRMED SCUM TO TRY TO APPEAR HELPFUL.

Bull. I have been helpful, more helpful then many people in this game. Far more helpful then you voting me for doing something that's not anti-town.

I never said it was anti-town.

My point is that you are a good reasoner, and you of all players in this game, know that you COULDNT GET A VALID ANSWER from a competent confirmed scum.

If you don't think my attempts to draw the cult recruiters out are going to be fruitful, then feel free to ignore them, i don't care. You calling them scummy, though, when they're at best potentially helpful and at worst harmless, looks like an attempt on your part to fake scumhunting.

You are missing the point and growing more scummy with every weak defense you use.

Im not accusing because your actions are antitown. Im accusing you because your actions are FAKE. Because those questions dont help you at all to find recruiters.

THEIR ANSWERS ARE FULL OF WIFOM AND SHIT.

Of course they are. That's exactly why they might be useful.
I don't know where people got the idea that WIFOM=useless. That couldn't be farther from the truth.

go ahead and post PRECISELY what valid info did you get from that specific question.

So, Albert: if you were going to recruit a newbie like cobblerfone or MLudi instead of an experienced player like xvart on day 1, why would you do it?

(god, I really hate the tone of the question)

[Zdenek]

DGB, fair enough.

Unvote
Vote Yosarian

The reasons can be found by looking up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB, fair enough.

No. She is actually friends with spring and letting that bias her opinion.

[bvoigt]

I just can't see cobbler being a recruit, especially since he claimed what he claimed.

Did you really think his claim was believable?

[Fritzler]

I just have trouble believing that anyone would recruit Yosarian, the "most likely" recruit/arguably best player on a make or break night, instead of waiting until another night.

[Katsuki]

I just have trouble believing that anyone would recruit Yosarian, the "most likely" recruit/arguably best player on a make or break night, instead of waiting until another night.

Because Yos would probably be able to talk his way out of any lynch today.

Vote: Yos

[ooba]

I believe neither recruiter would have recruited Yos - but both are paranoid about the fact that the other could have recruited Yos .. So will definitely use their recruits to see if Yos was recruited or to lynch him ..

Yosarian2 - 4 (Magister Ludi, populartajo, Cobblerfone, Zdenek, Katsuki)

I'll need to read the Magister'+tajos' posts again ..

[Katsuki]

I believe neither recruiter would have recruited Yos - but both are paranoid about the fact that the other could have recruited Yos .. So will definitely use their recruits to see if Yos was recruited or to lynch him ..

Yosarian2 - 4 (Magister Ludi, populartajo, Cobblerfone, Zdenek, Katsuki)

I'll need to read the Magister'+tajos' posts again ..

I don't think it's possible for a CR to not be able to recruit N0. This would mean that either they had one sure pick each, or two choices each.

WIFOM it up, and we'd be assuming Yos is NOT picked D1. A clever plan if any.

[Zdenek]

I believe neither recruiter would have recruited Yos - but both are paranoid about the fact that the other could have recruited Yos .. So will definitely use their recruits to see if Yos was recruited or to lynch him ..

Yosarian2 - 4 (Magister Ludi, populartajo, Cobblerfone, Zdenek, Katsuki)

I'll need to read the Magister'+tajos' posts again ..

Why do you think that their potential paranoia matters today?

[Battousai]

Flameaxe- Your last post doesn't count as a real post (as per the, I'm due for a post comment).... /yell

I'm starting to think DGB has been recruited... going to read her ISOs for substance.

Katsuki- From your posts, you've hardly commented on anything. There are plenty of posts left to comment on.

[Yosarian2]

Tajo: You're just all around wrong here, and I'm going to stop responding to you, because I have no desire to give the cult recruiters any more hints. I think your pressure on this area is pretty scummy, though.

not aas scummy as Cobbler, though.

Why are you so focused on getting answers out of Rampage?

I'm hardly "focused" on it. I asked the two cult recruiters one question, on a lark. People are making way too much of what was basically a no-cost longshot gambit that took all of 2 minutes to try.

Plus, during confirmation so it's a bit fuzzy of whether you could've been scum by then, you made guesses about the set-up and the number of scum and the way the recruiters pick. Set-up speculation is one of the few scumtells I trust. Especially since you seem to have a history of it from Succession One when you were a confirmed recruit. (Though I can't find the post so if that was actually someone else, it'd be helpful to point it out.)

I didn't make any "guesses about the setup", cobbler, I talked about the setup that the mod told us in the rules, and then I guessed about who the scum woudl pick, in order to try to find the scum. In any case, in any theme game, trying to figure out the setup and the town stratagy is absolutly vital for the town to do; calling that a scum tell is terrible.

And yes, of course I did setup speculation on day 1 of succession mafia 1. I was also town on day 1 of succession mafia 1, I wasn't recruited until later. Trying to figure out the setup is a pro-town act.

[Kinetic]

ABR, question for you:

I agree to no other discussion of our roles, but I just am curious about something. Did Flay ask you for two options for recruit or only one?

[Cobblerfone]

I'm hardly "focused" on it. I asked the two cult recruiters one question, on a lark. People are making way too much of what was basically a no-cost longshot gambit that took all of 2 minutes to try.

I meant in relation to Kinetic.

And yes, of course I did setup speculation on day 1 of succession mafia 1.

I was refering to what someone else had said. I still can't find it, but apparently when you were recruited and "confirmed" scum somehow they left you alive because you were leaking (false) details about the number of recruits each team had, etc. I'm not so certain whether you were recruited by then or not, but it's something I took into account when reading your ISO this time.

calling that a scum tell is terrible.

My buddy did it in Cthulhu Speed Mafia. It starts leading to conversation about things that are unconfirmable. But perhaps I should have phrased it as "early mechanic speculation".