Colour Concentration Mafia (Mini 1174) - Over

[Jedo the Jedi]

I thought about that...

Here's my processing:
Leis voted Voided, but not hiphop. (Potential bus of one scum, but don't want to dwindle numbers too much by bussing the other.)
hiplop, Rhinocke, Jedo do not vote Voided, but vote hiphop. (The reverse of the above.)
xvart, SC, Hotdogs, Glass vote both. (Potential bussing of both scum buddies.)
Meransiel votes for neither. (And not much more, for that matter.)

Which is the most likely to be? (Also, this is all assuming there is only three scum. In a 13-player game, there has to be one group of four, and it could easily be the scum.) I'm sure either Leis or Merans are scum. If we think Leis is more likely, I will gladly move over there.

[xvart]

That's right, Sherlocke. And here's the scum motivation behind what you're doing: It is more important to you that you live. Do I care if I die? This is the absolute last game I should be caring if I die.

The people of my color will be getting powers if and when I die. Very useful ones, too.

Can you explain the bolded?

[Leiskyrie]

So, after a re-read of D2 events, I'm down for a Jedo or hiplop lynch today.

Here's a quick summary of Jedo's first D2 post:
ISO 2: hm...not sure about hiphop since I'm not good at catching those kind of scumtells. Why don't we investigate lurkers/others instead? Oh, but hey, if everyone wants to lynch hiphop, I'm okay with that too. And here's some irrelevant mechanism speculation too. /fencesitting with a tentative attempt at derailing

And hiplop pretty much just wagoned without any reason other than 'he seemed scummy' without any evidence backing it up.

Vote:Jedo

And about D2, I WASN'T AROUND so Jedo, your processing is inaccurate. And, though this doesn't completely excuse Merans, considering the length of the days, I can see how someone might accidentally miss it.

[Rhinocke]

Jedo was my pick for scum when reading back overnight. The about-turn on hiphop from not understanding the case, to saying the xvart vote is strange, to finally acting like hiphop is obv-scum, screams scumbuddy to me. His vote on Meransiel absolutely reeks of not trying to scumhunt either.

Vote: Jedo the Jedi

Locke

[Leiskyrie]

/irrelevant

[Jedo the Jedi]

Here's the thing, Leis: my speculation with the vote count was just potential. Did you see what I put regarding the people who voted both of them? That's actually not very likely at all. Also, I was self-critical demonstrating that I clearly wasn't on the day 1 wagon. Admittedly, I was V/LA for a good part of day 1, but I wasn't making excuses. The fact that you're quick to defend yourself in that arena when I've hardly done any accusing is suspicious. Anyway, Glass is the one saying you should be our vote today.

As for your analysis, well, it's a harsh criticism, but I also think it's a little bit of misrep. I honestly wasn't sure about hiphop when I made that first post. Nothing really stood out to me on my first go-through. I said as much. The comments about being okay with lynching hiphop and the "irrelevant mechanism speculation" had to do with the fact that I didn't think it would hurt town if he flipped town because then two people would get powers. What I was saying is while I don't necessarily see the scumminess and think we might be on the wrong track, it won't be detrimental and is therefore not imperative to try stopping. That's quite a bit different than what you're suggesting.

The about-turn which you want to paint as scummy, Rhinocke, is also a bit different than your suggestion. After posting that, I decided to go read him one more time to see if there was something I had missed. If the same people who caught Voided on day 1 are saying hiphop is scum, surely there must be something there. I came back with something I had seen, brought it up, and in fact waited for a response from hiphop. If he had a good explanation, I may not have voted him. Additionally, you brought up a point I thought was valid. It's not like I said, "I see nothing scummy about hiphop," then, "hiphop is so SCUM DIE!" There was a reasoning to it, and you can track that.

[Glass]

@rhinocke
I am pretty sure you did the exact same thing as Jedo.

[StrangerCoug]

I did not receive a notice that I was poisoned.

Meransiel and Leiskyrie do need to post, but I don't want to forget Day 1. We were so focused on hiphop yesterday that this got overlooked. This is my only really good read anyway.

VOTE: HotDogs

Would you like to explain your careless hammer on Day 1?

[StrangerCoug]

Hold up—I still want that answered, but I didn't see the last page.

That's right, Sherlocke. And here's the scum motivation behind what you're doing: It is more important to you that you live. Do I care if I die? This is the absolute last game I should be caring if I die.

The people of my color will be getting powers if and when I die. Very useful ones, too.

Can you explain the bolded?

Why the fishing? It's clear in the sample role PM that powers get progressively stronger, so I see little pro-town motivation in asking that question.

UNVOTE: HotDogs
VOTE: HotDogs

[StrangerCoug]

I'm very sorry for the triple post. My brain is clearly not awake.

UNVOTE: HotDogs
VOTE: xvart

[Glass]

Would you like to explain your careless hammer on Day 1?

really.
really.
really?

You think that hotdog is scum for accidentally hammering scum day 1? That is the nullest tell ever. And you say it is the only good read and then you switch to xvart for "fishing"? lol.
VOTE: StrangerCoug

[xvart]

Hold up—I still want that answered, but I didn't see the last page.

That's right, Sherlocke. And here's the scum motivation behind what you're doing: It is more important to you that you live. Do I care if I die? This is the absolute last game I should be caring if I die.

The people of my color will be getting powers if and when I die. Very useful ones, too.

Can you explain the bolded?

Why the fishing? It's clear in the sample role PM that powers get progressively stronger, so I see little pro-town motivation in asking that question.

I understand how the roles work; but you seemed acutely aware of the significance of what powers would be distributed. I was trying to dig out if you just bumbled a soft claim as scum for some town cred or whatnot. And yes, it is clear in the sample role PM that powers get progressively stronger, as it also says in my role PM. But what I really want to know is what you meant by "very useful" powers being gained by your alleged like colored drops. FTR, I suppose I did overbold, and only the last sentence should have been bolded; but I can hardly see the "fishing" claim. I noted your post as soon as I saw it but wasn't going to detract the town from the hiphop lynch. My plan was to post it right before the day ended in case I died but then I didn't feel the need due to the poisoner kill method being revealed. The fact that you supported hiphop, however briefly, at the beginning of the day seemed like a failed distance attempt and I didn't want to give scumhiphop any ammo on you to distract from his lynch.

VOTE: StrangerCoug

[hiplop]

VOTE: glass

was trying to defend Hiphop yesterday, and tried to distance himself from it..

[Glass]

was trying to defend Hiphop yesterday, and tried to distance himself from it..

Distance myself from what? Defending him? What are you talking about?
Yes, I defended him because I actually considered the possibility that I was wrong about him being scum.

[hiplop]

oh sorry, i forgot to complete my thought

You voted him, Unvoted him in a way that seemed like distancing, then you voted back when the consensus was that he was scum.

[Meransiel]

prod dodge

[Leiskyrie]

I'm sure either Leis or Merans are scum. If we think Leis is more likely, I will gladly move over there.

And then after my post

The fact that you're quick to defend yourself in that arena when I've hardly done any accusing is suspicious. Anyway, Glass is the one saying you should be our vote today.

Notice the rapid backpedaling there? Jedo pushes the "blame" onto Glass, despite what he posted earlier. Not to mention that my "defense" was saying that his speculation, as he calls it, is faulty is my case although it appears to be the reason he's calling me scummy.

On the other hand, hotdogs' hammer for me was a complete null. The fact that SC brought it up just...is odd.

To Meransiel: some er...content would be nice?

[StrangerCoug]

You think that hotdog is scum for accidentally hammering scum day 1? That is the nullest tell ever. And you say it is the only good read and then you switch to xvart for "fishing"? lol.

Read the string of posts again. I didn't see the last page.

I understand how the roles work; but you seemed acutely aware of the significance of what powers would be distributed. I was trying to dig out if you just bumbled a soft claim as scum for some town cred or whatnot. And yes, it is clear in the sample role PM that powers get progressively stronger, as it also says in my role PM. But what I really want to know is what you meant by "very useful" powers being gained by your alleged like colored drops. FTR, I suppose I did overbold, and only the last sentence should have been bolded; but I can hardly see the "fishing" claim.

You ask me what I mean by "very useful" powers, then refute that you are rolefishing? That's a laugh.

The fact that you supported hiphop, however briefly, at the beginning of the day seemed like a failed distance attempt and I didn't want to give scumhiphop any ammo on you to distract from his lynch.

That I had a brief town read on hiphop (which, for the record, is not distancing) is an unfortunate bad mark on me, but the way he reacted to the wagon made it clear that I couldn't support a town read on him anymore.

[Meransiel]

SC, you need to claim next post.

[Glass]

LOL, what mer? Why? He has 2 votes.

@SC
You missing the previous page does not make your scumread on hotdog any better.
PS: where is hotdog?

[Leiskyrie]

SC, you need to claim next post.

WTF?

[StrangerCoug]

SC, you need to claim next post.

At L-3? I don't think so. Thanks for tying yourself to xvart.

FoS: Meransiel

[Meransiel]

Wow, you people are thick.

[Leiskyrie]

Meransiel, you need :content: next post.

[Glass]

Maybe you should explain instead of just saying: "lol you guys suck"