Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Nobody Special]

I'm down with that.

Vote: Rhinox

@Zod: Because .....idiots?

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm on V/LA Hayl, love.

Still wanting to kill the lover pair.

Then why are you still voting RC?

:goodposting:

Okay.

WTF dead game is dead.

Zodiak, Hiraki, do you two still claim to be lovers? Please answer either yes or no, each of you, and please don't elaborate further until you both have answered. (I have my reasons.)

How about first tell everyone why the hell you think claimed lovers would, a few days later, say "Lol whoops, we're not actually lovers".

"Do you, or do you not, accept the lynch of your partner, who carries the possibility of being an opposing faction to your own and thus sacrificing yourself for the progress to your Win Con?"

I despise this sort of try-and-force-an-answer-that-only-town-could-produce strategy. Its not only WIFOM, but doesn't seem to work for me when other people do it on me.

If I had a scum read, my answer would be yes, but while I have a town read on Hiraki, allowing him to be lynched is about as bad as self-hammering, because, in essence, it results in the same thing, and, on top of that, isn't playing towards my wincon.

*cough*tans*cough*

:verygoodposting:

I am plenty willing to leave Hiraki/Zod alive, because I still think Zodiark is town, and whether Hiraki is scum or not (I can think of no other reason why both of them would be left alive), they are both providing useful content at this point in the day (when very few others are), and because killing both of them off helps NOTHING in terms of increasing our town:scum ratio. We need to kill non-lover scum.

Not to mention, a scum that's a lover likely has no other powers than that, and is probably a goon. We need to hit scum power, and that's WAY preferable to just taking out a goon and wasting a townie on it as well, when someone else is going to die tonight as well.

Aha! It all becomes clear to me now. A revelation. Candy Mountain does exist!

Darn right it does.

Hiraki is Town. Zodiark13 isn't.

Reason: conciseness is pro-Town.

This is derpalicious.

According to this, if I say "Charlie is scum" and somebody else says "Charlie is town because of X, Y, and Z", then that means I'm right and they're wrong, just because I was more concise?

That's completely false, not to mention a cop-out on your part. Because it doesn't matter WHICH is scum, because if one dies then so does the other.

Lynch this scumbag.

[Charlie]

ReaperCharlie, stop tunneling on me. Who else do you want to lynch besides me? Try poking that other fellow for some reactions.

[Charlie]

Oh yeah.

Shun: Rhinox

[Nobody Special]

Yarg.

Shun: Rhinox

[ReaperCharlie]

Rhinox is my #2 and nobody else is getting shun-happy on Charlie, so I'll just

Shun: Rhinox

as well, and be done with it. I have other games I have to devote time to as well.

[Rhinox]

awesome.

[ReaperCharlie]

Has to happen soon. I wish Stefunny and Pulindar would get their arses back in here as well.

[ReaperCharlie]

... and to steal a line from tanstalas:

Why - oh why did you have to betray the unicorn brethren and be scum,

RC

Rhinox

?

[kryptinen]

Creo que es un voto para linchar. Por favor, tenga cuidado.

Estoy más que dispuesto a martillo Rhinox si él no tiene nada que decir acerca de su linchamiento. Huele como Mafia darse por vencido. (Puedo entender, una corriente de votos sin ninguna prueba no es inspirar confianza. NS especialmente.)

Traductor Google es mi archienemigo.

[ReaperCharlie]

I think it is a vote to lynch. Please take care.

I'm more than willing to hammer Rhinox if he has nothing to say about his lynching. Mafia smells like giving up. (I can understand, a stream of votes without any proof is not trusted. NS especially.)

Google Translate is my nemesis.

[Haylen]

Shun Count

:
Rhinox (L-2): Hiraki, Charlie, Nobody Special, ReaperCharlie
Zodiark: Pulindar, Rhinox
Charlie: Stefunny, Kryptinen
Nachomamma: Zodiark
ReaperCharlie: Nachomamma

Not being a shunning bastard: Everyone else.

Deadline:

Monday 6th June 9pm BST

Votes to lynch:

6/10

Prods:

Notes: Nachomamma, Pulindar, Reapercharlie = V/LA

[ReaperCharlie]

Sweet, I am voting both Rhinox AND Charlie.

Life CAN get better.

And so, for my next trick, I will

Doublevote: Rhinox

!

Cower before me.

[Rhinox]

I think it is a vote to lynch. Please take care.

I'm more than willing to hammer Rhinox if he has nothing to say about his lynching. Mafia smells like giving up. (I can understand, a stream of votes without any proof is not trusted. NS especially.)

Google Translate is my nemesis.

I'm not giving up, there's just nothing to say about my lynch. Its crap, and there's nothing to defend against. Its based on pure speculation and nothing I've actually done.

Look, here is Hiraki's reason for voting me 2 weeks ago:

FFS.

WHEN BOTH DEAD TOWN SUSPECT ONE PLAYER, SOMETHING IS UP.

When I question him about it, he pretty much ignores what I said. I make an effort to post and engage him in conversation, but rather than actually responging to me he just accuses me of not posting.

Read that again.

I make an effort to post

and engage him in conversation, but rather than actually responging to me

he just accuses me of not posting.

one more time.

I...post, he...accuses me of not posting.

He has no interest of determining if I am really scum, he just wants to discredit anything I say. If he was town and really thought I was scum and really believed in his case, he would defend his case, conciseness be damned.

Also, his stance shifts:

In addition, your theory makes no sense because it doesn't matter because your Tans vote was already shit.

Where was this 2 weeks ago? Its just shifting the goalposts. He knows is nk speculation theory is crap so rather than backing off or defending it, he just shifts the goalpost and says "well none of that matters because something else bluh bluh bluh".

This is the guy we should be lynching. Can anyone tell me why he's town? Anyone?


Lets talk about my tans vote since its the only thing based on what I've done. It was only ~24 hours left to deadline when I voted (voted mistakenly, instead of shunning, but thats when I made the decision to vote).

Here was the VC when I voted:

Shun Count:
Charlie: Stefunny - only 1 vote and I didn't want to lynch him anyways
Umbrage: Nobody Special - woulda lynched, but only 1 vote, and no support for lynch because he was possible jester
Reapercharlie: Charlie, Umbrage - 2 votes, but I didn't want to lynch RC
Zodiark: Pulindar, Tans, Nachomamma, Kryptinen - leading wagon, but claimed lover - gave a pass for the day
Rhinox: Hiraki - no
Hiraki:

Umbrage

- no votes at the time, coulda lynched zod to kill him if I wanted to, but claimed lover got a pass
Tans: Zodiark, Reapercharlie - only other wagon with votes, wagon with best chance of lynching scum.

So why was my vote crap, exactly? With a day to deadline, I sure as hell wasn't going to start a new wagon even if I had a better suspect in mind.

I'll also point out above, that umbrage was voting Hiraki, before he was voting RC, before ultimately switching to tans for the lynch. Why does umbrage nk point to me being scum, but not Hiraki or RC?

Compare:

Something is up with Rhinox. I can't put my finger on it, but his posts really bug my scumdar. He's more concerned with how he looks than finding scum.

to:

...

...................................

nononononononononononononononono

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TOWN. REAPERCHARLIE AND TANSTALAS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SCUM.

STOP MAKING ME LOOK STUPID BY OUTING YOURSELF AS SCUM.

SHUN: Hiraki

I CAN SAY WITH ABOUT 90% CERTAINTY THAT THERE ARE NO VANILLAS IN THIS GAME.

SO SHUT UP BEFORE YOU OUT THE REST OF THE SCUM.

I WANT TO WORK FOR THIS WIN, NOT HAVE IT HANDED TO ME.

Which opinion does umbrage sound more sure of?

Why does the first comment mean I'm the only one who had motivation to kill umbrage?

Oh wait umrage's next quote in iso regarding Hiraki:

No.

You're scum.

Die.

Yeah, pretty damn sure umbrage suspected Hiraki a HELL of a lot more than he suspected me by that point.

Oh by the way, take a look at tan's iso. Where did he first suspect me? Oh look, it wasn't until AFTER I voted him.
Tell me, how was my motivation for lynching tans "that he suspected me" when he didn't suspect me until

AFTER I VOTED HIM?

Yeah, I think I've proven my point. Hiraki's completely full of crap.

Either vote Hiraki or Zod, but Hiraki is the scum of the 2.

[Hiraki]

When I question him about it, he pretty much ignores what I said. I make an effort to post and engage him in conversation, but rather than actually responging to me he just accuses me of not posting.

You know guys.

You have to get a bit fishy about how a person defends a case, while posting only some of the actual case.

In fact, I'm a blow this shit out of the water. Not only am I going to completely ignore what Rhinox said in his last post, excluding a few parts, I'm going to annihilate him.

"lol Hiraki u cant do that"

Oh yes I fucking can.

And I'll do it while playing Civilization V.

FIRST.

Where was this 2 weeks ago? Its just shifting the goalposts.

You still have failed to explain why shifting goalposts is scummy.

Mastin lists this as a Towntell in his article on insane tells. In fact, he even goes on to do much more of what you say.

Here, leme quote it.

Basically, scum are afraid of change. They'll fear the inconsistencies, and aim to fix them, whereas town will just let it be. "Isn't that the reverse of your tell, then? Wouldn't it make it null?"

And in his next edit? The same thing.

Scum players will aim for that consistency. They'll try beyond what's natural to nail that feeling of it being consistent. They put in the effort, make it deliberately overall the same pattern. And in doing so, it becomes somewhat artificial. Town, however, will just keep themselves spewing out what they please.

So. How is this scummy again? Now you're just spewing out whatever, rather than anything good.

So why was my vote crap, exactly? With a day to deadline, I sure as hell wasn't going to start a new wagon even if I had a better suspect in mind.

So you admit, that because it was a day to deadline that you did whatever you wanted to do?

Are you going to screw around on Day 3 of the Majora's Mask at 5:59 A.M., or kill the Majora's Mask? I know what I'd do. I'd kill that motherfucker and blast him to Pluto for all I care. Giving up because there's less than a day isn't horrible, and I will admit that I didn't take the time into account, but doing whatever you want most certainly isn't townie. That's sheeping. Scummy.

Which opinion does umbrage sound more sure of?

The first one.

That's when he was sane, per se. When he wasn't acting like a Lyncher/Jester.

When it was me? Hmmzorz.

And just to check, that was Umbrage's post #41. Between 41-46, he moved his vote 3 times.

Wait, what did Umbrage flip?

Town?

Shitman. It seems that Rhinox be usin' scumtells that have applied to town in this game.

Shit man.

Tell me, how was my motivation for lynching tans "that he suspected me" when he didn't suspect me until AFTER I VOTED HIM?

HMM.

I WONDER IF IT WAS BECAUSE YOUR VOTE WAS SHITTY.

HMM.

LET'S TAKE A PEEK AT THAT CUTIE, SHALL WE?

Post #13 of your ISO is the

first

time you even mention Tans. This is post 403. This is after Rhinox "re-reads" the game.

However, Rhinox gets 4 "idks".

4. And he chooses Tans, because he has the most votes.

HMMZORZ.

BUT NO. WE GOTTA PLAY THIS LIKE INCEPTION.

WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER.

crap.

I would fix this now but I think it would be a hammer? Anyone want to switch to umbrage really fast? Otherwise I will hammer tans before deadline. er wait, now zod is gonna get lynched? I'm so confused. How many hours until deadline right now?

This sounds like someone doesn't think Tans is scum and wants to change his vote. Perhaps made his vote for pressure of an IDK.

Seriously. How do you re-read a game and come back with 4 IDKS,

NO SCUM READS

and 3 town reads, one of them being a "meh" town read. Rhinox avoided reading the game and but his target to be the best IDK on the vote count. There is no doubt in my mind of this plausibility.

Let me just point something else out, with the VC that Rhinox himself pointed out.

Tans: Zodiark, Reapercharlie - only other wagon with votes, wagon with best chance of lynching scum.

Wagon with the best chance of lynching scum? That's fucking bullshit. You just went with Zodiark and RC because they had the most amount of votes.

THE BEST PART?

er wait, now zod is gonna get lynched?

lol leme ask a question and see if I can make this mistake better than it actually looks liek.

lmao.

Not only that, but he didn't even trust Zodiark, or ReaperCharlie. He gave Zodiark a pass for claiming a lover pair, but didn't comment further. ReaperCharlie he was against lynching because he presented the Alliance idea, which left him at null.

However, Kyrpiten, one of his town reads, was on Zodiark. So that was a no-no.

If you don't have a lynch you prefer, why not go for the one that someone that you think is town is on?

lolno, bcuz that'd gt rid of two peeps.

It's not like Rhinox was suspecting me a little.

Oh wait! He was! Even before D2!

Hahaha. Zodiark doesn't look like a terrible lynch for Rhinox, but a claim delays that lynch by one day.

Hmmzorz.

Something really doesn't look right here.

amirite?

BUT NO.

WE MUST GO DEEPER. MUST.

WE MUST GO TO THE BEGINNING.

heh. I knew all those years of spanish classes would pay off someday. Unfortunately, that only gets me about half of the jist of your posts, and going to Google translate every time you post isn't going to work very easily when I'm following the game on my droid, therefore

Shun: kryptinen

What reaction were you trying to get out of this? Because everyone gave the same one. And don't call it random, because there's absolutely nothing random about this. In fact, this entire vote is shitty.

yes of course I'm not going to really push for a policy lynch of kryptinen just because of the vote restriction. But I don't believe his post restriction is a town tell, and it is annoying to have to rely on copy+paste to an outside site when browsing on a mobile, and it will negatively affect my ability to be able to read him throughout the game.

See? It's obviously null. Doing something different from everyone else isn't a town tell. I don't know how you got the idea by typing in Spanish would be more townier than typing in English.

That really makes no sense.

posted a few times, has said absolutely nothing unique and relevant so far. Came closest by answering directed questions, but it looks like he's only interested in appeasing players who talk to/about him.

Hmmzorz.

The only thing you've done that's unique and relevant so far was talk about Kyrpiten's post restriction. That's hardly relevant btw. Because as you even stated yourself, Kyripten's post restriction is not a town tell, and is therefore null. Because calling a post restriction scummy is stupid.

Fun fact. By that time I had 6 posts, including my unrelated and unattractive stuff. There were 2 of those btw. So you get four good posts on Page 6. Totally scummier than other people for that. Right.

I don't care how many excuses you make for your lack of content.

Nice omgus and misrep all in one.

Btw. the misrep was that Rhinox said fine instead of merely and I paraphrased.

I REALLY MISREPPED THERE.

And of course I didn't OMGUS. That's not in my playstyle. Nor did I make an excuse for my lack of content, I just said I'd do it later. Doing it later=/=Excuse.

Also, if he was town who thought it was a gambit, then speaking out against the idea actually undermines the effectiveness of the gambit. This also makes it seem like Hiraki was just looking for town points in his response.

The gambit phase had already ended, so this point is stupid.

No... it wasn't a gambit and there isn't anything inherantly anti-town about the alliance idea.

I've already covered this. Rhinox has never gone this deep before, so it's k.

The fact that he assumed you were gambitting and spoke out against it anyways tells me he wasn't interested in actually catching scum by the "gambit" (why would scum do the scummy side of the gambit it townies are speaking out against it?) but rather by nabbing town points for being on what he thought was the town side of the "gambit".

Or I could actually be a townie on the townie side.

But no, to Rhinox every single aspect of my post, including using a k to spell skummy is skummy.

ISO 10 shows that Rhinox fails to get why I'm after him for the reasons I've presented. Which also means that he can't say that he knows how I misrepped him.

11-12 are prod avoidance posts. I think I accuse him for doing nothing in between there. I'm pretty sure that was fair due to the point that he had posted in other places. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty close to 99.

We covered to 17. So I'm skipping those too.

And then we come back at 19 basically. 18 isn't worth talking about.

Notice how the Hiraki hate leaves after 10, and only revives when I start to pressure Rhinox again.

Hmmzorz. Something--I don't need to repeat myself.

Dead game is dead.

Note that his last post, #18, talked about storms.

HMM. I WONDER WHY THE GAME MIGHT BE DYING.

HMMZORZ.

I didn't lynch tans myself. It took other votes to get tans lynched. I wasn't even the one pushing the case. It was just the only viable lynch at the end of the day I supported.

We covered the last part, but the first three sentences are muy ugly.

Of course you didn't lynch Tans yourself. Still doesn't justify your shitty vote. Their votes weren't as bad, but were still bad. Still, at least they had good reasoning. Not that he was on their idk list. And by putting your vote there, you did push it somewhat. Btw. this also proves that Tans didn't push anything Tans, and that his vote was not pressure. But put down for the sake of voting.

GUYS. AFTER RHINOX FLIPS SCUM. MAKE SURE TO CHECK WHICH BUDDY HE STOPPED THE KILL.

SOMETHING TELLS ME IT WAS ZOIDARK, BUT I'M NOT 100% SURE.

Hmm. That does mean I won't die.

Doesn't it?

Welp.

I think I'm done here though.

We've gone deep enough.

Now finish the job my brothers.

[Nobody Special]

I see you typing, but all I read is

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Unvote

Vote: Hiraki

[Hiraki]

Really?

You're going to tell me everything on that wall is utter shit?

[ReaperCharlie]

Nobody Special is useless.

Hiraki's wall was actually awesome.

Particularly this part:

"lol Hiraki u cant do that"

Oh yes I fucking can.

And I'll do it while playing Civilization V.

I lol'd.



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Nobody Special.

vote Rhinox.

this is not gonna be another Day 1.

make this lynch happen or i will lynch the f@$# out of you tomorrow.

[Nobody Special]

Well, since the Hiraki wagon is OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN (although it deserves to) I will. BUT NOT BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME TO. ONLY BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

Unshun

Shun: Rhinox

[Hiraki]

Something tells me that since I can't find a Rhinox claim, he didn't claim.

Am I wrong though?

[Zodiark13]

I'll go ahead and be the voice of reason here and say that I don't agree with the Rhinox wagon. It came literally out of nowhere and hes already at L-1, and Hiraki is the only one who has come close to providing any reason for it. I'll hammer before the deadline if need be, but peoples had better do a damn good job at convincing me, and let me tell you, "Rhinox is scum vote him" or similar won't work for me.

[Hiraki]

I'm pretty sure NS hammered.

[Zodiark13]

Only if RC is a doublevoter.

Which I doubt.

[Hiraki]

GAMBIT.

FAILED.

ERGH.

[Rhinox]

Well, since the Hiraki wagon is OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN (although it deserves to) I will. BUT NOT BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME TO. ONLY BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

Unshun

Shun: Rhinox

3.5 hours and you decide a wagon is

obviously not going to happen?

Protip: a vote for zod is a vote for hiraki, and zod already has votes. *hint hint*