Mini 1170: Nowhereville Mafia '11- Over!

[SleepyKrew]

OMGUS?

[cloudocean]

Seems like it

[PJ.]

No, You can't mistake what he is claiming to have mistook. Every vote on someone that is voting on you isn't OMGUS

Unless the Mod took some serious liberties with the way the role PM was written(or the English language), there is no way you could have missed the fact that Jailkeeping someone roleblocks them. Also, that's essentially the main way to play jailkeeper, is use it as an RB role.

The actions and the claim do not add up. Either this is a lying scum or a lying SK. But one way or another, Hiplop is not a jailkeeper.

[SleepyKrew]

While that makes a lot of sense, still not comfortable lynching a supposed PR.

[PJ.]

So if I claimed Day Rolecop right now, you'd have a problem lynching me?

[SleepyKrew]

No, because there is no need for you to claim right now.

[Espeonage]

@ Panzer, that would probably make me lynch you.

[Espeonage]

@ Town. There are only five people that can be lynched today.

They are CO, Panzer, SK, Kal and Kool.

I have already said which ones I will help to lynch. Panzer, like it or not Hip's claim seems genuine.

[PJ.]

No, because there is no need for you to claim right now.

So the fact that I'd be lying about my role doesn't concern you? Only the timing?

[PJ.]

Panzer, like it or not Hip's claim seems genuine.

How is this?

[SleepyKrew]

The timing would indicate a lie, which would indicate you are scum.

[PJ.]

So the fact that Hiplop had 0 votes on him at the time of the claim and the fact that his claim just flat doesn't make sense, indicaes that he isn't lying?

[Espeonage]

Panzer, like it or not Hip's claim seems genuine.

How is this?

Sit back, take off the omgus glasses and have a look back. The claim makes sense. I did say earlier that we should mod WIFOM but there is some room for a little bit, if only because this is a Mini Normal.

Your reactions are also coming accross as desperate. My scum read on you is getting stronger.

[PJ.]

Convicted, not desperate. Also, this isn't OMGUS. If anything it's him that is OMGUS on me.

Please explain how Jailkeeping someone then accusing them of killing someone then saying you had to "think about your result" and unvote them makes sense. Cause I sincerely can't make sense of it.

[PJ.]

No, im not setting up a vig,

idiot.

Don't assume

Im the jailkeeper. I jailkept sleepykrew, and the kill still went through...

See how i had to think about it now?

Now we go for panzer.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Panzer

This is the post he voted me in and really the first time(possibly second) he mentioned me being scummy. Note the adhom and the lack of a reason. Essentially he voted me because i was pressuring him.

[Espeonage]

You're looking at his vote post the wrong way. Look at hip's vote assuming that SK is scum. Think motivations. I'd rather you work it out on your own as that is better than me trying to tell you what to think.

If you still don't see it I'll let hip explain so that I can make sure it is what I was thinking.

[PJ.]

But he didn't assume that Sleepy was scum. He was assuming he had a killing role. And that still doesn't clear him from being scum, so even if he did have to think about it, the kill going through just clears him from making the kill not being scum, so the vote still should have stood.

Also, I'm not asking you to tell me what to think, I'm asking you to explain how you think. Communication is key. While that sentence stands, i want Hiplop to explain himself. Not just say, "can't you see it". Cause I can't.

Also, his vote is still OMGUS

[Espeonage]

I can't find where he assumed SK had a killing role. Can you point it out in his iso?

The way I see it was that hip was trying to say that SK had convinced his scumpartners to kill charter in the night.

[SleepyKrew]

Panzer is actually making a lot of sense right now. Hip's actions were pretty bad. But I'm not over the claimed PR threshold yet.

[PJ.]

8,11,12,13 all were fairly ambiguous and he was voting purely on the fact that Charter was dead.

And if he thought, he convinced his buddies to kill charter and but someone else made the kill, why unvote sleepy?

Also,Why not revote him after we told him that doesn't confirm him town because he could still be scum, if that was his reasoning?

To me it sounds like he slipped up with what he wanted his fake claim to be. I think he is a Scum Roleblocker, this also doesn't confirm Sleepy, cause sleepy doesn't have a role he can confirm that was blocked.

[PJ.]

Or is his buddy that isn't gonna out him

[Espeonage]

We can agree to disagree. It is still unconfirmed that he is town. Of course. But he shouldn't be the lynch today because there is a chance that he is an important PR and there are other, just as viable, options.

[PJ.]

We'll see how the rest of the day goes, as I said earlier. I still like a CO(lurker),Sleepy,or Kal lynch, but I wanna see what others have to say, if everyone agrees that Hiplop should make it, then I'll concede, but I think he is scummy scummy scum.

[Espeonage]

Unvote, Vote: CO

Anyway, for now I'm going to go here. The others are at least rpoviding input which is useful later for buddy hunting.

[PJ.]

^ Good Posting