[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[ConSpiracy]

Consp: The only situation that hurts the scum team if a cop claims if they have no RB. The only situation that occurs is the 3rd option happens. If a cop claims, the RB in the game just Rb's him.
The only concern at that point is if the scum team has no RB, but then they have a GF on their side, so the cop's chances of finding the only guilty verdict is 1 out of 8 players (take away the lynchee) 1 out of 7.

You know for the 3rd option giving the scum team a possible framer might not be a bad idea actually.

You think of it another way.
In 50% of the setups there is no RB'er. In those setups the cop benefits claiming
The other 50% consists of:
1. 25% doc - Nothing happens, the only available option that isn't helpful
2. 25% watcher - RB isn't an option. The watcher can claim since there is just 1 player that could have targeted the cop (The maf. RB)

I think either one of these options are far better than relying on the results of the cop, especially when he can get a guilty 75% of the time on just one mafia. Keep in mind that with this few players he may have just one result with 5 other players to choose from. The more valuable part of the Cop is confirmed town status, at least in my eyes.

If something is tweaked so the cop does not benefit from claiming D1 (such as the macho cop or twisted result doc) I will Nth this setup.

BTW: Non-Consecutive night protection doesn't cut it. The game will most likely just have 1 or 2 nights.

Wait, I just see this game is 9 players. Hmmz, Something in me says this game is a bit too overpowered. Might still give it I try though.

[Quilford]

In 50% of the setups there is no RB'er.

Wrong. In 33% of the setups this is the case.

BTW: Non-Consecutive night protection doesn't cut it. The game will most likely just have 1 or 2 nights.

My simulations indicate 2 nights is the norm, but more often 3 nights than 1.


Perhaps the protective roles have a 50% chance of being CPR roles (i.e. killing that person if they're not being visited/targeted)? Would they be told of this?

[Quilford]

Maybe that percentage should be lower?

[Quilford]

Perhaps an additional factor is determined at the start of the game

2 of the following, no duplicates: (25% Macho Cop, 25% Impatient (CPR) Watcher, 25% CPR Doctor, 25% no change)

[Quilford]

So the setup would now be:

Scales of Justice

5 Vanilla Townies
2 out of (Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Mafia Godfather [receives a Goon role PM]) with equal chance and no duplicates.

-- if Mafia Roleblocker + Mafia Goon --
1 Town Doctor
1 out of (Town Cop, Town Watcher) with equal chance.

-- if Mafia Godfather + Mafia Roleblocker --
1 Town Watcher
1 out of (Town Doctor, Town Cop) with equal chance.

-- if Mafia Godfather + Mafia Goon --
1 Town Cop
1 out of (Town Doctor, Town Watcher) with equal chance.

2 out of the following restrictions (Macho Cop, Impatient (CPR) Watcher, CPR Doctor, no restriction) with no duplicates and equal chance.

[earworm]

So the setup would now be:

Scales of Justice

5 Vanilla Townies
2 out of (Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Mafia Godfather [receives a Goon role PM]) with equal chance and no duplicates.

-- if Mafia Roleblocker + Mafia Goon --
1 Town Doctor
1 out of (Town Cop, Town Watcher) with equal chance.

-- if Mafia Godfather + Mafia Roleblocker --
1 Town Watcher
1 out of (Town Doctor, Town Cop) with equal chance.

-- if Mafia Godfather + Mafia Goon --
1 Town Cop
1 out of (Town Doctor, Town Watcher) with equal chance.

2 out of the following restrictions (Macho Cop, Impatient (CPR) Watcher, CPR Doctor, no restriction) with no duplicates and equal chance.

I don't like games that can end on night one. So please no CPR roles. I like the Macho Cop a lot though.

[Quilford]

I agree, actually.

Just a 50% chance of a Macho Cop, then?

[ConSpiracy]

In 50% of the setups there is no RB'er.

Wrong. In 33% of the setups this is the case.

That is not true. The setups a cop can be in with equal chance:
- Cop/Doc - GF and goon
- Cop/Watcher - GF and goon
- Cop/Doc - RB and goon
- Cop/Watcher - GF and RB
That's 50% of the setups.

BTW: Non-Consecutive night protection doesn't cut it. The game will most likely just have 1 or 2 nights.

My simulations indicate 2 nights is the norm, but more often 3 nights than 1.

I'm sorry, this was under the assumption said game was with 7 players.

Perhaps the protective roles have a 50% chance of being CPR roles (i.e. killing that person if they're not being visited/targeted)? Would they be told of this?

Meh, that makes the game far too swingy.
I'd go for the macho cop role:
- Cop/Doc - GF and goon -> Mafia has to take the risk of there being a doc or a watcher
- Cop/Watcher - GF and goon -> Mafia has to take the risk of there being a doc or a watcher
- Cop/Doc - RB and goon -> Mafia can easily kill the cop
- Cop/Watcher - GF and RB -> Mafia still isn't in advantage

It doesn't take the "cop should claim day 1" away completely, but enough to consider not claiming.
And I think it should be 7 player to balance it a bit. Keep in mind doc+watcher is insanely powerful. (Though I can live with this being a 9 player game)

[Empking]

Third Mafia

1 Scum Jester
1 Scum Lyncher

5 Townies

1 non-lyncher is told they're the lynchee and flips as such.
Scum have to fulfill both of their win conditions.

[theplague42]

Hmm I don't understand how that would work.

[bvoigt]

Third Mafia

1 Scum Jester
1 Scum Lyncher

5 Townies

1 non-lyncher is told they're the lynchee and flips as such.
Scum have to fulfill both of their win conditions.

What if both sides needed to complete two win conditions?

1 Mafia Lyncher
1 Mafia Goon

6 Townies
1 Town Jester

[Empking]

Hmm I don't understand how that would work.

Why not?

bvoigt: The jester just needs to claim in your one.

[bvoigt]

bvoigt: The jester just needs to claim in your one.

Oops, I guess that would be a problem if the town has any kind of multi-step win condition.

[Quilford]

re: Scales of Justice

Let's put this to rest: the cop in the final setup is Macho. He cannot be protected; but if he is nothing happens and scum can still kill him.

[earworm]

Third Mafia

1 Scum Jester
1 Scum Lyncher

5 Townies

1 non-lyncher is told they're the lynchee and flips as such.
Scum have to fulfill both of their win conditions.

I assume you mean one townie is chosen as the lynchee, correct?

If lynchee knows they are the lynchee they claim day one. To make it possible to lynch him at any given time one of the scum need to cc correct? That leaves a pile of five people with one scum in it. So two mislynches correct? (I'm just trying to figure out how this would work.)

[earworm]

re: Scales of Justice

Let's put this to rest: the cop in the final setup is Macho. He cannot be protected; but if he is nothing happens and scum can still kill him.

*Thumbs up*

[andrew94]

i dont get your setup either empking.

[Empking]

Third Mafia

1 Scum Jester
1 Scum Lyncher

5 Townies

1 non-lyncher is told they're the lynchee and flips as such.
Scum have to fulfill both of their win conditions.

I assume you mean one townie is chosen as the lynchee, correct?

No, its possible for the Scum Jester to be the lynchee.

[Max]

That's a bad game...
Scum need to play as normal until mafia has a majority of the town then they lynch the townies, then lynch the jester.

So you're suggesting 2:5 is a balanced set-up.

[Empking]

That's a bad game...
Scum need to play as normal until mafia has a majority of the town then they lynch the townies, then lynch the jester.

So you're suggesting 2:5 is a balanced set-up.

One somebody has fulfilled their win con the game ends. This means that for both the Jester and lyncher to win they have to endgame after lynching the jester and lynchee.

[Quilford]

Ahhhhh.

So there's the factional wincon: Equal or outnumber the town

and the two personal wincons: Get lynched and lynch player X respectively

and both have to be achieved?

So technically it would be possible for only one mafioso would win?

Interesting.

[Silver1337]

Someone make an all 3rd party game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Someone make an all 3rd party game.

Not Mafia

Nominate Emp's new game

[Tragedy]

Jesters, Lovers and Enemies

2 Mafia Goons
1 Mafia Lover

1 Jester Lover

1 Lover [With Jester]
1 Lover [With Mafia]
5 Vanilla Townies

Jester Lover wins when either his/her partner or him/herself is/are lynched.
Town (Lovers) win when they lynched the Mafias.
Mafia (Lover) wins when Town are doomed.

[Mist7676]

Do they recieve a townie PM?