Mini 1185 - Artemis Fowl Mafia Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Volkan

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Greetings to everyone I have played with before. To those with whom I have never had the pleasure, I look forward to getting to know you better.

With that, let's skip the RVS this game and getting straight down to detective work.

At approximately 6pm, eight out of thirteen players had confirmed. Of the five players who had not confirmed, four of them had posted on site since role PMs were dispatched. However, there is one person who was posting on site, but had not confirmed his role PM: MehPlusRawr. Over ten hour after that, he had posted yet again, but had still failed to confirm his PM. To me, this is a mystery. After all, when you're on site and you see that juicy, delicious "A new private message is waiting for you in your Inbox" box pop up on screen, who can resist clicking on it and reading the PM? And after you've read the PM, it only takes a second or two to confirm. So why wouldn't MehPlusRawr? My hypothesis is that scum have pregame talk and MPR decided to go check out the quicktopic and chat with his scumbuddies before confirming. That, or he had an overly complicated role and did not understand it, which is also more likely to be scum because they have a higher concentration of normal and factional abilities. Thus...

Vote: MehPlusRawr

I applaud any reasonable means of bypassing RVS and, since this is at least a line of argument which is worth pursuing, I'm happy to run it up the flagpole.

Unvote, Vote: MehPlusRawr

Anybody not voting Vollkan for this needs to get their heads checked.

Oh also, nice job AGM. Your opening post caught us a scum~!

Katsuki~ I love bein' a Alignment-Confirmed Goddess Mason~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No Comment on Volkan, AGM?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I do not understand why you think he is scum.

Let me put it in terms you'll find easier to understand then?

"HERP DERP I'M VOLKAN. HEY AGM, YOU'RE STARTING A SUPER SRS WAGON? AND I CAN JOIN WITH IMPUNITY? LET ME HOP ON THAT BITCH."

In other words, his joining you on your confirmation time crusade was the most opportunistic vote I've seen on Page 1. Ever.

It was totally trying to ride your coattails.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's a logical fallacy. Just because you admit something doesn't mean that there isn't a scum intent behind doing it.

It just means you are freely admitting that you're scummy.

Which is fine by me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let me put it in terms you'll find easier to understand then?

"HERP DERP I'M VOLKAN. HEY AGM, YOU'RE STARTING A SUPER SRS WAGON? AND I CAN JOIN WITH IMPUNITY? LET ME HOP ON THAT BITCH."

In other words, his joining you on your confirmation time crusade was the most opportunistic vote I've seen on Page 1. Ever.

It was totally trying to ride your coattails.

I find it disheartening that you think the only "terms I can understand" are lots of meme-capsing. I do speak English, you know. And to the contrary, before I asked, there were no "terms" at all. It was just your vote-only post and Katsuki's post, "VOTE: VOLLKAN THE MUFFIN SCUM."

Anyway, maybe he was riding my coattails, but since I still think LMP is scum, it does not bother me. In my opinon, agreeing with someone is not scummy unless the initial logic was bad (which I do not think mine is, of course).

P-Edit: what vollkan said (sort of).

I... am sorry for that actually.

I'm really tired, and I'm still in Cowboy Bebop mode with you.

Dx I'll be nicer, I promise. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's a logical fallacy. Just because you admit something doesn't mean that there isn't a scum intent behind doing it.

It just means you are freely admitting that you're scummy.

Which is fine by me.

This is true, but it's never been proven that agreeing with someone is scummy (and I don't mean just in this game, I mean on-site in general). I would argue that 1) it is not and 2) the call is highly subjective. For example, you call vollkan scummy for agreeing with me, but if I had agreed with your explanation and said, "Yeah, I buy that...Vote: vollkan," I doubt you would be calling me scummy. Agreeability is measurable, not definite.

The major difference is that your post was something that was a fairly weak wagon IMHO. And Volkan gave it more credence than I thought it deserved.

Of course, you feel differently about how strong that case is... so that's where we differ I suppose.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Elli, that's three votes you've placed so far this game, with no explanation. Why so CES/Jack?

AGM, not like my questioning Elli means anything at this point?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You don't get my meaning, clearly.

AGM, you know what I mean by CES yes? You know how much I hate that god damn style of play?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We've driven this shenanigan far enough.

Unvote; Vote: Kwanton

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No comment on Kwanton, despite "liking my kwanton vote"?

Hmmmm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We've driven this shenanigan far enough.

If Vollkan is scum, buddy can be probably be found here.

Stop your tunneling Kats. It was fun for a bit, and it gave us some good reactions that you are completely ignoring.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm asking you to check your reads. Kwanton is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@ScummyKrew: If you are town, there is scum on your wagon. Who is it and why?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@AGM: Please allow me to have my question answered before I answer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@ScummyKrew: If you are town, there is scum on your wagon. Who is it and why?

AGM, for what I've said before.

Cool.

UNVOTE: VOTE: SleepyKrew

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uh...internet keeps disconnecting so I can't go back and read what's been happening.

But

unvote

for now due to claim.

So you believe the claim?

Further, even if you believe the claim, do you think that makes Sleepy town all of a sudden?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's called "Mafia Jailkeeper."

I don't think you need to tell him that. It's in his role PM. ^-^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

SleepyKrew better fucking be scum, or he's being blacklisted.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sleepy, that's why you claim your own character name, and make it seem town.

Life lessons~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm pretty sure Vinyaya wasn't an actual character until Book 4...

Hmmm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eh, I'll just go next.

I'm Mulch Diggums.

Bobsnox, you go next.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

BTW:

Vote: Kwanton

[Lady Lambdadelta]

<_< has everyone claimed? If not then gtfo with the voting

God dammit, if Kwanton wasn't so scum I'd be voting you right now.

This fucking post plus your scummy ass interactions with Kats, feigning ignorance about "Mafia Jailkeeper" is just WAY too fake.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Feigning ignorance? You realize a jailkeeper is a roleblocking doctor, right? What kind of silliness would a MAFIA roleblocking doctor be? What's the point of it? You can roleblock someone, but you gotta protect him! Nonsense.

Feigning ignorance. Trollfaces will be posted when I flip, bro.

You do realize that mafia jailkeeper works just like a roleblocker, because the scum know who they are killing?

So it's not like the scum are going to be killing who they roleblock. This isn't Brotherhood of the Wolf mafia. (I giggled a little)

So basically, the reasoning you just gave is exactly WHY there exists a Mafia Roleblocking Doctor. So people who try to outguess the mod on setup get burned.

But this is a weak defense, regardless of the above point. You can hang from the highest tree in the town at any time now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

<_< has everyone claimed? If not then gtfo with the voting

God dammit, if Kwanton wasn't so scum I'd be voting you right now.

This fucking post plus your scummy ass interactions with Kats, feigning ignorance about "Mafia Jailkeeper" is just WAY too fake.

Not just fake, not just too fake, but WAY too fake

ok champ, cry some moar

I tend to think ways to catch scum should be pursued instead of forgotten. See, e.g., Simpsons mafia and Steve's action. (right bobsnox?)

Please tell me how you intend to catch scum with your interaction with Kats.

And if you really wanna catch scum, why are you so against voting? Did I vote your scumbuddy or something?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The weak defense is that you are trying to deflect my suspicions with idiotic and pointless setup discussion, and it's not going to work.

Fuck it.

Unvote; Vote: Acosmist

I don't care how fake Kwanton's roleclaim was, you're dying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So your argument is that by me voting... it'll distract from the name claiming.

Yah, no.

Also, please flail more. That "THERE WILL BE TROLL FACES WHEN I FLIP" comment isn't saving you. Appeal to Authority a LITTLE more, hmm?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The weak defense is that you are trying to deflect my suspicions with idiotic and pointless setup discussion, and it's not going to work.

Fuck it.

Unvote; Vote: Acosmist

I don't care how fake Kwanton's roleclaim was, you're dying.

Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

Hi there! Kwanton is completely scum, but let's vote Acosmist instead!

successful troll is successful, scum

Yes, because it's impossible for me to suspect two people, and now think one is more scummy than the other?

Also, lol @ you trying to play this off as a gambit. Not happening.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How about the authority of the town?

Or how about Bobsnox's authority?

@Bob: You realize that he's now applying self meta... right? If he can recognize a trait well enough for him to say "Hey Bob, I'm doing this~! That makes me town, right?", then he knows it well enough to fake it as scum. It should be a null read for you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bob, please elaborate on what is so bad about it?

Please explain why I am not allowed to think two people are scummy, separate of eachother, and vote one over the other because they are scumming it up?

You do realize we very likely have an SK, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

Is Acosmist usually this terribad?

Like, he's now ATTACKING MY RHETORIC. That's the king of all scum claims, man.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bob, please elaborate on what is so bad about it?

Please explain why I am not allowed to think two people are scummy, separate of eachother, and vote one over the other because they are scumming it up?

You do realize we very likely have an SK, right?

An SK with a scumbuddy, eh?

Please continue to misrepresent me. I never implied that the SK had a scumbuddy...

You're reaching now

[Lady Lambdadelta]

<_< has everyone claimed? If not then gtfo with the voting

God dammit, if Kwanton wasn't so scum I'd be voting you right now.

This fucking post plus your scummy ass interactions with Kats, feigning ignorance about "Mafia Jailkeeper" is just WAY too fake.

Not just fake, not just too fake, but WAY too fake

ok champ, cry some moar

I tend to think ways to catch scum should be pursued instead of forgotten.

See, e.g., Simpsons mafia and Steve's action. (right bobsnox?)

How about that authority?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The weak defense is that you are trying to deflect my suspicions with idiotic and pointless setup discussion, and it's not going to work.

Fuck it.

Unvote; Vote: Acosmist

I don't care how fake Kwanton's roleclaim was, you're dying.

I don't care

I don't care

WE'RE GONNA LYNCH TWO IN A ROW

This post is a scum post, I mean, he's saying I'm scum by:

Taking my post.

Taking the words "I don't care" in isolation.

And saying, "she doesn't care, therefor scum."

I mean... really?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you flip town, my tears will be of joy, because then I won't have such a god damn detriment to town in the game anymore.

But I seriously doubt you will be flipping town, SO.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok Acosmist, you pretend to be the BIG EXPERT, ok?

You know... coming from the person who HAD TO ASK WHAT A MAFIA JAILKEEPER WAS.

Or, in my opinion, pretended. -shrug-

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because GUESS WHAT?

THE FLAVOR. IT MEANS NOTHING.

This setup was advertised as having "bastard flavor". So while I believe Kwanton is very likely scum, and I don't buy his claim for one second...

You are scummy for intent read reasons. and my intent read>>>>>> flavor/role name reads

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Elli, it might help if you, you know, weighed in on this.

As helpful as you are posting the claim list for us, it's time to play some real mafia, kay~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uh huh.

Excuse me for a moment, while I go grab a quote FROM THE MOD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll pass until 3 claims later.
You and Acos can keep going though. It's really funny.

Fucking useless as ever.

I mean, I have heard a LOT of good things about you, but all I've ever seen was MPM (you flaked) and now here (you've said all of nothing).

Mind showing me why you're known as a stellar player?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Artemis Fowl Mafia

Moderator: Nexus
Backup Mod: Faraday
Reviewers: Faraday and Equinox

`Players: 13
Pre-in's left: 5. Feel free to PM me.
Requirements: Not to be a douchebag. Preferably one game experience on site. I reserve the right to reject you if I think you're an ass.

Setup and Flavour: Closed set up with

bastardised flavour

based around the first two Artemis Fowl books (Artemis Fowl, and Artemis Fowl and the Arctic Incident). Minor and major characters are in the game. Flavour knowledge would be helpful, but not essential. There are no cults, jesters or otherwise bastard modding. I promise.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The translation to the above post is:

The Flavor, it means nothing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Methinks this be more relevant.

based around the first two Artemis Fowl books (Artemis Fowl, and Artemis Fowl and the Arctic Incident).

I'm pretty sure Vinyaya wasn't an actual character until Book 4...

Hmmm

Why do you think I made that comment?

Why do you think I called his claim fake?

But you can't be sure with the mod, since the flavor is bastardized.

So I'm voting my in-thread scum read, and not my "scum by flavor" scum read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I already claimed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sleepy, that's why you claim your own character name, and make it seem town.

Life lessons~

DeathNote should of done this.


But still....

Isnt chix the antagonist?

No. Chix is the one who gets his wings burned trying to impress Holly.

You're thinking of Opal Kaboi.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh...

But there both fairies right?
:hopeful:


And katsuki could you please post content
instead of point fingers and say "hes scum, lynch nao" without stating why.

No.

They were both PIXIES, IIRC.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bodyguard

Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

Please try and be a little more obvious in your rolefishing. >.>

Kats, I don't endorse a claim unless you really think it will help town a LOT. Even then, I still think it is a bad idea.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bodyguard

Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

Please try and be a little more obvious in your rolefishing. >.>

Kats, I don't endorse a claim unless you really think it will help town a LOT. Even then, I still think it is a bad idea.

He was gonna claim anyway.
Wanted to see how close flavor is to the actual role.

Nexus votecount plz.
Im too lazy to count how many votes deathnote has

NO.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was in that game.

The Daykill option was only there to balance the Night Kill Immune SK.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've had enough of this. Claimed scum isn't dying fast enough.

Daykil: DeathNote

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've had enough of this. Claimed scum isn't dying fast enough.

Daykil: DeathNote

Can you be any more scummy about this?

You will see that I was right.

I'll be sitting here... waiting for you to flip scum so the town can lynch someone worth the effort today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

A real town would be leaving a list of suspects with their last breath.

I mean, you just got shot in the face with compacted mud. How must that feel? If you were town, you'd be mad and calling out people you wanted lynched.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So your reads haven't changed one bit?

I mean, I just shot you and you said it was "the scummiest thing" ever.

And I'm still a town-null leaning town read for you~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just wait

^-^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes you are. You just played very poorly in not believing me.

^-^

Did I now~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

See, now I'm conflicted.

Because that was a fake vig shot.

And I don't know if his response was genuine, or if he was able to guess that I was lying...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

<_< his reaction...made you...conflicted?!

how many times can a guy claim scum

anyway, I'll post in 47 hours, hopefully you've lynched one of the claimed scum by then! LATER

Conflicted because he was scumming it up with his reads and shit, flipflopping all over the place.

But he was doing that when he thought he was alive too...

And he maintained he was a townie to the grave...

So I dunno really...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He means Grub Kelp. He was a useless character of fail.

Trouble Kelp was a fucking badass.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNVOTE: VOTE: DeathNote

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Butler should be on Artemis tonight...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Teehee you'll see how my role works tomorrow~

I'm all excited now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If mafia were smart they would kill Butler, I agree.

Could you breadcrumb a little more, Kats?

>.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Lei

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh Kats~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because nameclaim had caught us a scum on day one. I saw no reason to NOT do it, even if I didn't expect it to yield results.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Katsu, Lei. China or Taiwan? Me Taiwan.

Because nameclaim had caught us a scum on day one. I saw no reason to NOT do it, even if I didn't expect it to yield results.

Are you completely disregarding it now though?

I'm not going to be basing my thoughts or opinions expressly on it, but I won't be eliminating it entirely. I'm just pushing it to the background.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Background enough that you're voting claimed Artemis apparently.
Or am I missing something.

... Am I?

Hmmm....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Am I the only one somewhat somewhat offset by LLD's lack of aggression/involvement/scumhunting since the two town members she was mostly arguing with have died?

Am I the only one noticing how you're trying to cheerlead people to vote me without getting your hands dirty?

Am I the only one who notices that the ENTIRE GAME has stagnated, and you're only calling a specific player on it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So you're setting up lynches, is that it?

"I'll lynch MPR, and THEN~ I'll get to you."

Hmmmm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Grub's a fucking coward.

Him running away (I.E: Commuting) is plausible.

However, this "I commuted N1" business is horrid. I want reasons. Why did you commute N1?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote; Vote: Kwanton

You die today. I don't care if I have to CAPS LOCK you to the noose; you die today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Good game. I feel pretty smug for catching two scum on D1 (especially MPR, since I turned out to be right about him from post 1), buuuut then I got myself NK'd which wasn't great PR play, so eh.

SS'OK AGM.

YUR STILLL GRET