Mini 1185 - Artemis Fowl Mafia Game Over

[Acosmist]

Ellibereth is avoiding me on purpose, confirm vote, time to win this game singlehandedly.

[Kwanton]

vote kwanton

[Kwanton]

Ellibereth is avoiding me on purpose, confirm vote, time to win this game singlehandedly.

unvote vote ellibereth

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[MehPlusRawr]

vote kwanton

Ellibereth is avoiding me on purpose, confirm vote, time to win this game singlehandedly.

unvote vote ellibereth

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Self vote with no content, then blatant sheeping next post still with no content? Not sure if noobtown or scum.

[Acosmist]

[Katsuki]

VOTE: VOLLKAN

THE MUFFIN SCUM

WE GOTS SCUM ALREADY
ELLI GET OVER HERE, NEED YOU ON THIS ONE.

LEI IS TOWN BY VIRTUE OF BEING A CUPCAKE.

LLD IS MY ARTEMIS AND TOWN BEYOND BELIEF.
ALIGNMENT-CONFIRMED MASONS FTW.

MPR are you town? If so, vote vollkanmuffinscum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Greetings to everyone I have played with before. To those with whom I have never had the pleasure, I look forward to getting to know you better.

With that, let's skip the RVS this game and getting straight down to detective work.

At approximately 6pm, eight out of thirteen players had confirmed. Of the five players who had not confirmed, four of them had posted on site since role PMs were dispatched. However, there is one person who was posting on site, but had not confirmed his role PM: MehPlusRawr. Over ten hour after that, he had posted yet again, but had still failed to confirm his PM. To me, this is a mystery. After all, when you're on site and you see that juicy, delicious "A new private message is waiting for you in your Inbox" box pop up on screen, who can resist clicking on it and reading the PM? And after you've read the PM, it only takes a second or two to confirm. So why wouldn't MehPlusRawr? My hypothesis is that scum have pregame talk and MPR decided to go check out the quicktopic and chat with his scumbuddies before confirming. That, or he had an overly complicated role and did not understand it, which is also more likely to be scum because they have a higher concentration of normal and factional abilities. Thus...

Vote: MehPlusRawr

I applaud any reasonable means of bypassing RVS and, since this is at least a line of argument which is worth pursuing, I'm happy to run it up the flagpole.

Unvote, Vote: MehPlusRawr

Anybody not voting Vollkan for this needs to get their heads checked.

Oh also, nice job AGM. Your opening post caught us a scum~!

Katsuki~ I love bein' a Alignment-Confirmed Goddess Mason~

[Katsuki]

Greetings to everyone I have played with before. To those with whom I have never had the pleasure, I look forward to getting to know you better.

With that, let's skip the RVS this game and getting straight down to detective work.

At approximately 6pm, eight out of thirteen players had confirmed. Of the five players who had not confirmed, four of them had posted on site since role PMs were dispatched. However, there is one person who was posting on site, but had not confirmed his role PM: MehPlusRawr. Over ten hour after that, he had posted yet again, but had still failed to confirm his PM. To me, this is a mystery. After all, when you're on site and you see that juicy, delicious "A new private message is waiting for you in your Inbox" box pop up on screen, who can resist clicking on it and reading the PM? And after you've read the PM, it only takes a second or two to confirm. So why wouldn't MehPlusRawr? My hypothesis is that scum have pregame talk and MPR decided to go check out the quicktopic and chat with his scumbuddies before confirming. That, or he had an overly complicated role and did not understand it, which is also more likely to be scum because they have a higher concentration of normal and factional abilities. Thus...

Vote: MehPlusRawr

I applaud any reasonable means of bypassing RVS and, since this is at least a line of argument which is worth pursuing, I'm happy to run it up the flagpole.

Unvote, Vote: MehPlusRawr

Anybody not voting Vollkan for this needs to get their heads checked.

Oh also, nice job AGM. Your opening post caught us a scum~!

Katsuki~ I love bein' a Alignment-Confirmed Goddess Mason~

^.^~

Nice catch, AGM is probably town by virtue of catching vollkanmuffin.

[SleepyKrew]

Sorry for not getting here earlier! I was traveling and din't expect this to start until I arrived. Onto business now:
VOTE: volkan
For not spelling his name the way it should be spelled. And for not liking RVS. Why didn't you do something yourself to get us out of RVS?

[AlmasterGM]

So you tell people not to RVS but then you tell him he did a bad thing by not doing a random vote?

If his defense is going to be "it was a mistake" then he should just brush it off and keep playing. But he didn't, he halted normal play (no RVS) and just defended himself. This is a scumtell.

I will admit this is a good point, though, so kiwi is probably town.

vote kwanton

Ellibereth is avoiding me on purpose, confirm vote, time to win this game singlehandedly.

unvote vote ellibereth

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Self vote with no content, then blatant sheeping next post still with no content? Not sure if noobtown or scum.

Scum? It's not scummy, it's just strange and silly. Not even the most awful scum would play this poorly as a result of being scum. Kwanton is null at worst. Maybe even a little town.

Sorry for not getting here earlier! I was traveling and din't expect this to start until I arrived. Onto business now:
VOTE: volkan
For not spelling his name the way it should be spelled. And for not liking RVS. Why didn't you do something yourself to get us out of RVS?

This post does not smell good. Two people have called vollkan real-scum. You cannot walk in and RVS-vote him without commenting on that.

Acceptable lynches: MehPlusRawr, SleepyKrew.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No Comment on Volkan, AGM?

[AlmasterGM]

I do not understand why you think he is scum.

[Katsuki]

No Comment on Volkan, AGM?

AGM = Vollkan muffin buddy #1?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I do not understand why you think he is scum.

Let me put it in terms you'll find easier to understand then?

"HERP DERP I'M VOLKAN. HEY AGM, YOU'RE STARTING A SUPER SRS WAGON? AND I CAN JOIN WITH IMPUNITY? LET ME HOP ON THAT BITCH."

In other words, his joining you on your confirmation time crusade was the most opportunistic vote I've seen on Page 1. Ever.

It was totally trying to ride your coattails.

[vollkan]

Actually, y'know, I just glanced at the pm, saw my role, and exited it. I then promptly forgot about the game until I just got a reminder that it started.

...and you've been playing mafia for how long? Since when do you NOT have to confirm your role PM, and since when do you not do it right away?

Welp, I had a roughly 6-month hiatus from mafia, and the two games that have started since I came back both had in-thread confirms. I don't have a "reply with a /confirm" reflex.

There's no random vote because it's really not RVS any more.

You haven't played any games for six months other than this one?

VOTE: VOLLKAN

THE MUFFIN SCUM

WE GOTS SCUM ALREADY
ELLI GET OVER HERE, NEED YOU ON THIS ONE.

LEI IS TOWN BY VIRTUE OF BEING A CUPCAKE.

LLD IS MY ARTEMIS AND TOWN BEYOND BELIEF.
ALIGNMENT-CONFIRMED MASONS FTW.

MPR are you town? If so, vote vollkanmuffinscum.

Someone's ingested waay too much frosting

For not spelling his name the way it should be spelled. And for not liking RVS. Why didn't you do something yourself to get us out of RVS?

My view (see here for a MD example) is that RVS and is generally useless. Every alternative that I've either personally tried (self-voting to draw out stupid reflexive players) or have seen (RQS) doesn't work much better (or worse) either. AGM came up with something genuinely novel, so I was willing to try it. No matter how you start the game things move eventually, so it isn't a big deal, but if there is a better way to do it I am interested in learning it.

(Also, the attitude that anybody who doesn't care about RVS but doesn't bend over backwards trying to find an alternative is scum is incredibly frustrating)

Let me put it in terms you'll find easier to understand then?

"HERP DERP I'M VOLKAN. HEY AGM, YOU'RE STARTING A SUPER SRS WAGON? AND I CAN JOIN WITH IMPUNITY? LET ME HOP ON THAT BITCH."

In other words, his joining you on your confirmation time crusade was the most opportunistic vote I've seen on Page 1. Ever.

It was totally trying to ride your coattails.

You realise that "OMG HE IS OPPORTUNISTIC SHEEPING" doesn't have much application when the voter freely admits that's what they're doing? You want it in bold:

I was totally riding AGM's coattails

(Though, the "impunity" thing is just BS. You're seriously suggesting that, having proclaimed my view that the line of argument was reasonable, I'd not come under scrutiny if it was: a) Proven to be crap; or b) Remained on the wagon in circumstances where it became scummy)

[AlmasterGM]

Let me put it in terms you'll find easier to understand then?

"HERP DERP I'M VOLKAN. HEY AGM, YOU'RE STARTING A SUPER SRS WAGON? AND I CAN JOIN WITH IMPUNITY? LET ME HOP ON THAT BITCH."

In other words, his joining you on your confirmation time crusade was the most opportunistic vote I've seen on Page 1. Ever.

It was totally trying to ride your coattails.

I find it disheartening that you think the only "terms I can understand" are lots of meme-capsing. I do speak English, you know. And to the contrary, before I asked, there were no "terms" at all. It was just your vote-only post and Katsuki's post, "VOTE: VOLLKAN THE MUFFIN SCUM."

Anyway, maybe he was riding my coattails, but since I still think LMP is scum, it does not bother me. In my opinon, agreeing with someone is not scummy unless the initial logic was bad (which I do not think mine is, of course).

P-Edit: what vollkan said (sort of).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's a logical fallacy. Just because you admit something doesn't mean that there isn't a scum intent behind doing it.

It just means you are freely admitting that you're scummy.

Which is fine by me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let me put it in terms you'll find easier to understand then?

"HERP DERP I'M VOLKAN. HEY AGM, YOU'RE STARTING A SUPER SRS WAGON? AND I CAN JOIN WITH IMPUNITY? LET ME HOP ON THAT BITCH."

In other words, his joining you on your confirmation time crusade was the most opportunistic vote I've seen on Page 1. Ever.

It was totally trying to ride your coattails.

I find it disheartening that you think the only "terms I can understand" are lots of meme-capsing. I do speak English, you know. And to the contrary, before I asked, there were no "terms" at all. It was just your vote-only post and Katsuki's post, "VOTE: VOLLKAN THE MUFFIN SCUM."

Anyway, maybe he was riding my coattails, but since I still think LMP is scum, it does not bother me. In my opinon, agreeing with someone is not scummy unless the initial logic was bad (which I do not think mine is, of course).

P-Edit: what vollkan said (sort of).

I... am sorry for that actually.

I'm really tired, and I'm still in Cowboy Bebop mode with you.

Dx I'll be nicer, I promise. >.<

[AlmasterGM]

That's a logical fallacy. Just because you admit something doesn't mean that there isn't a scum intent behind doing it.

It just means you are freely admitting that you're scummy.

Which is fine by me.

This is true, but it's never been proven that agreeing with someone is scummy (and I don't mean just in this game, I mean on-site in general). I would argue that 1) it is not and 2) the call is highly subjective. For example, you call vollkan scummy for agreeing with me, but if I had agreed with your explanation and said, "Yeah, I buy that...Vote: vollkan," I doubt you would be calling me scummy. Agreeability is measurable, not definite.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's a logical fallacy. Just because you admit something doesn't mean that there isn't a scum intent behind doing it.

It just means you are freely admitting that you're scummy.

Which is fine by me.

This is true, but it's never been proven that agreeing with someone is scummy (and I don't mean just in this game, I mean on-site in general). I would argue that 1) it is not and 2) the call is highly subjective. For example, you call vollkan scummy for agreeing with me, but if I had agreed with your explanation and said, "Yeah, I buy that...Vote: vollkan," I doubt you would be calling me scummy. Agreeability is measurable, not definite.

The major difference is that your post was something that was a fairly weak wagon IMHO. And Volkan gave it more credence than I thought it deserved.

Of course, you feel differently about how strong that case is... so that's where we differ I suppose.

[Ellibereth]

Unvote, Vote volkan

[AlmasterGM]

Unvote, Vote volkan

A live demonstration of my prior point. Will LLD and Katsuki call this scummy when it agrees with them?

Tonight at 11.

[Acosmist]

It's 10:48 now.

BETTER BE SOMETHING IN 12 MINUTES

OR LYNCH ALL LIARS

PIKASCUM

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Elli, that's three votes you've placed so far this game, with no explanation. Why so CES/Jack?

AGM, not like my questioning Elli means anything at this point?

[Ellibereth]

Elli, that's three votes you've placed so far this game, with no explanation. Why so CES/Jack?

AGM, not like my questioning Elli means anything at this point?

I need to learn how to use photoshop...just imagine the Joker all smiley here with Why so Ces/Jack?