Newbie 1104 -- Game over

[gbevilchaos]

I'm town, and if anyone calls me scum, they should be modkilled.

You're scum. Also, A2E. Didn't you think that my walls might contain information you've missed? Also...I don't plan on posting walls all game, it's just info I've missed due to replacing in that I've decided I'm going to comment on.

I'm gonna do more walls today! I finally got my new glasses and reading doesn't hurt. <_<

@ TS - I'm trying really hard to take a back seat, because I know Nobody Special has to write a review on you at the end of the game to send to Vel.

This. Hayl spent what must be hours making those wall posts in order to analyze players' posts. Why would you need read the other players' opinions on the game? Flip played scummy (wagoning with TS over and over), and I'm not willing to dismiss that idea just because you say you're town.

Can you explain in detail your analysis on noragar? A one sentence post saying "Oh yeah, he's town" doesn't really help us out. Can you quote some town-motivated posts if you're sure he's town and explain?

@Twisted: Sorry, not wagoning on Espe. I'm more interested in Flip/Muffin than Espe at the moment.

[noragar]

Just hanging out for now until the replacement players get caught up. Even though zMuffin's not, I'm interested in seeing the rest of Haylen's walls.

[forest_air]

Hey, welcome new people.

[Twistedspoon]

Even though zMuffin's not, I'm interested in seeing the rest of Haylen's walls.

this

[zMuffinMan]

Can you quote some town-motivated posts if you're sure he's town and explain?

I told you what posts of his I think make him look town.

What exactly has he done that's scummy? Like, yeah, I know it's scummy to get scum lynched D1, and I know it's scummy to scum hunt, but has he done anything else that's scummy?

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.03

Espeonage - 2 - zMuffinMan, Twistedspoon
noragar - 2 - forest_air, gbevilchaos
Haylen - 1 - Espeonage
zMuffinMan - 1 - noragar

Not Voting: Haylen, Morthas

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: June 21

V/LA: ...

[Twistedspoon]

Haylen, you doing my ISo thing?

and why does Espe keep ignoring this thread *rage*

[Twistedspoon]

oh, and if you guys are interested my game is the next one to be in signups in the mini normal queue after pap rat's finishes signups. Feel free to /in when the time comes

[Haylen]

I'm getting on with it, yes. Yesterday was a bit difficult to do anything worthwhile, you might be aware that the pollen count was extremely high yesterday. I took my pills, nose spray, eye drops, had the injection and I'm STILL affected by hayfever.

[Twistedspoon]

haylen has hayfever

haylenfever

tee hee

[Morthas]

I finished reading and it was hell to read with so many goddamn replacements and walls

I should have another read up if i want to actually post a wall with my thoughts but reads for now are as follows (Consider them gut for now)

Forest: leaning town ( Hard to read but gut says she is townish)
Haylen: Town (Explained below)
TS: Town (General Gut throughout game)
Muffin/Chk/rz: null leaning scum ( Because of flip, muffin is null as of now)
gb: Null ( Goes either way )
noragar: leaning scum (Gut, going to ISO afterwards)
espe: scummiest ( same as noragar )


Frosty-Reasons why i think Haylen is town (without frosty i'd have her as null ;> )

vote gbevilchaos This is just my noobiness showing but bandwagoning possibly wil keep me from dying day 1 I'm thinking obvtown here since as scum he would have thought more about it and never state his intentions. Since he is a newb (which is proven by his other 2 posts) i'm thinking that VOTE: CaptainCuddles Insists on calling me scum on what is circumstantial evidence further makes me think obvtownnes and the logic behind that is 1.'' I don't know anyones role but mine hence whoever attacks me it's more likely they are scum than not'' 2. He plainly has no idea how to scumhunt so tries his best and that's where point 1 comes in

Going to ISO noragar and espe trying to figure their motivations..
Ask me to comment on anything you'd like

But before that (offtopic),
@Haylen:
Your walls are lovely, so lovely they make my eyes bleed at 2 AM.
I watched Death Note buut don't remember jack so mind explaining L's thought process?

[Haylen]

You're reading me as null because you're not reading into my threads. This is new. Usually I'm called scum because of the guy I replace and they refuse to see that my actions are protown. I don't even know why I'm complaining :/

L decides who's scum through traps, the power of deduction and by looking into why people act as they do suggesting both a town motivation and a scum motivation.

[zMuffinMan]

So, I've been really, really lazy and I haven't looked at any ISOs since I said I would.

3 more votes on Espeonage and I can continue being lazy.

Win/win.

[noragar]

Unvote

Chkflip hasn't been acting nearly as strangely since zMuffin took over, so I'm not as comfortable having my vote there any more. That spot's not totally off my radar, yet, but a couple other spots have moved higher on my list since the beginning of Day 2. Specifically, Espe and forest.

[Espeonage]

TS is town, zMuffin is probably town. Also have a strong town read on f_a. Will probably go along wit a lynch on most other people if people post convincing cases.

[zMuffinMan]

Do you want to take a stab at posting a convincing case on someone?

[Espeonage]

I did. I stand by it.

[zMuffinMan]

OK, just to recap, am I misrepresenting this anywhere?

Your case on Haylen is that she is giving off town tells and writing walls.

[Espeonage]

There is more to it than that.

The basic premise is that walls of that length are unnecessary. Haylen knows this but did them anyway. What does that tell you. Bear in mind that newbies are notorious for thinking helpfulness and length of posts are scum tells. I've played alot of newbies games, I know that is the way they react. At the very least what Haylen has done is anti town and she's lucky there isn't a vig. However given it is a newbie game on top of that, it is screaming scum to me.

And what town tells is she giving off?

I have issue with the length of her posting and the effect she knows it will have.

In the last game she made and used graphs. in this one she has debates with herself. Both completely unnecessary outside of making newbies eat out of her hand.

[zMuffinMan]

And what town tells is she giving off?

I thought you said you suspected her because she was giving off town tells. I haven't read her posts so I don't actually know if she was or not, I'm just going on what you've said about her.

From #447

I often find that when the IC is scum they go out of their way to show wiki town tells or things that make them appear trustworthy while ignoring and more subtle scumtells they may be giving off. This feels like one of those times.

Did you ever getting around to reading the interaction that graves-otolia had with Frostbite? Specifically how ready graves was to lynch Frostbite, and what both graves and otolia had to say about him.

[Espeonage]

No, but I will today though.

[Espeonage]

There is one post. And even that hints at the possibility of inside info. I'm liking my vote more now.

[zMuffinMan]

Unvote

VOTE: Haylen

So who do we go after if Haylen flips town, Esp?

[Espeonage]

Not sure

[Nobody Special]

Bump.