OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

[jilynne1991]

Sorry, how are you so certain Deity Kabuto is town? (Since my read of his is leaning scum.)

I don't like the idea of hypodocing. Too many holes, but if you guys want me to give it a try I will. In case anyone doesn't understand what I mean by the hole, tell me, and I'll give an example.

[Amrun]

Yes, explain in detail what you mean by holes, and then why you agreed to it in the survey.

And Deity Kabuto has been this mad at mislynches in the past and the early doctor claim says to me that DK is likely town (didn't understand the set-up). This is not a bring-to-LyLo townread, but for today, I do not want to lynch DK.

[jilynne1991]

I agreed to it in the survey, simply because I didn't have a better idea, and I was willing to give it a try, since I have nothing to hide.

To explain the holes, let's say mafia killed someone someone else was supposed to be protecting, and therefore nothing would happen to the player (s)he was supposed to be protecting, therefore, they have easily found a way to make two scum.

This is hypo-docing is just making it way too easy for mafia to slip by.

[Amrun]

What? Please explain what you just said because I don't think it was in English.

[Moratorium]

let's say mafia killed someone someone else was supposed to be protecting, and therefore nothing would happen to the player (s)he was supposed to be protecting, therefore, they have easily found a way to make two scum.

Not following you.

[DeityKabuto]

That's a terrible vote. Get a hold of yourself.

I am certain Newman and Iceman are both scum, Iceman has never played a game with me with increases the suspicion. Newman on the otherhand is pushing so hard for a DK lynch, it's like he wants the scum to live a free day.

[Amrun]

I am actually starting to agree about Newman, but Ice Guy isn't pushing for a policy lybnch at all. Ice Guy is sooo town.

You look scummy to him because you look scummy to everyone. Don't you get that? Someone who hasn't played with you is more likely to suspect you, not less.

[jilynne1991]

I'll try to explain what I meant. You can't expect Mafia to do as their told, and if they kill someone that someone else was supposed to be protecting, won't the person who was supposed to protect the person getting killed be suspected?

If there's anything wrong with my logic, please explain, since right now, I'm really confused.

[Amrun]

Take this situation:

X agrees to protect Y. Y agrees to protect X.

X dies.


Explain to me the possible causes of X's death - all of them.

Read the rules and the thread again to help you.

You're only superficiially reading, so I want to make sure you understand the subject at hand before conntinuing here.

[HellloooNewman]

I'm not pushing hard for a DK lynch. My "can we please kill this fucking guy" comments is less a serious comment and more a "see everyone, this guy IS an idiot" type of comment.

DK is pushing for me way harder than I am him.

Despite my misgivings, in the spirit of cooperation (and to move the game along) I will cooperate with the hypo plan.

[jilynne1991]

What do you mean by superficially reading? Well it could be because of a bad doctor or it could be because of mafia. Am I right? (But, how will we know what it will be because of?)

That's where the hole is. (At least what I think.)

[Amrun]

You are only skimming and not truly comprehending what you have read.

No, you are not right.

Try again.

[jilynne1991]

I did not skim. Excuse m indignant attitude, but I spent perfectly good time reading this. I'll reread, but for now, just forget about what I said about hypodocing. I'll go along with it.

[Amrun]

Regardless of time spent, you are not fully comprehending what has been written. I'm trying to help you.

[jilynne1991]

*sigh* Thanks, but apparently I'm hopeless. Anyways, most people are going with hypodocing, so hey, why not.

[Amrun]

I'd feel more comfortable if you understood it.

[jilynne1991]

So would I, so can you please explain why it's foolproof, since I honestly don't understand.

[Amrun]

It isn't foolproof.

In the situation outlined above, either:

Y is scum and killed X
Y is scum and X is a weak doctor
Y is a quack doctor
Y is a CPR doctor and no one else protected X
Y is a naive doctor and scum killed X
Y is nurse and scum killed X

Even though that's a large pool, it helps us narrow things down.

It's not going to tell us "Y IS DEFINITELY SCUM GAIZ!"

It's going to narrow our lynch pool.

[jilynne1991]

Ohh, I've been misunderstanding you.

[tim_hill1990]

It isn't foolproof.

In the situation outlined above, either:

Y is scum and killed X
Y is scum and X is a weak doctor
Y is a quack doctor
Y is a CPR doctor and no one else protected X
Y is a naive doctor and scum killed X
Y is nurse and scum killed X

Even though that's a large pool, it helps us narrow things down.

seems like a lot of work and analysis for something that's not guaranteed for us to win.
One of the advantages I can see is that it would make scum have to really buckle down and work things out and how they are going to proceed.
Would this system pretty much out some people as town though?

I am certain Newman and Iceman are both scum, Iceman has never played a game with me with increases the suspicion. Newman on the otherhand is pushing so hard for a DK lynch, it's like he wants the scum to live a free day.

I think Newman just doesn't like you, that doesn't make him scum. Iceman has just entered in how does not having played with him increase the suspicion?

[jilynne1991]

LOL, I have to say, tim's reasoning amuses me. "I think Newman just doesn't like you." That frequently happens, it's just that it's not nice to point it out.

[DeityKabuto]

I'm not pushing hard for a DK lynch. My "can we please kill this fucking guy" comments is less a serious comment and more a "see everyone, this guy IS an idiot" type of comment.

DK is pushing for me way harder than I am him.

Despite my misgivings, in the spirit of cooperation (and to move the game along) I will cooperate with the hypo plan.

I had to lol. Is this you attempting to play like a town or is this another Anti-town comment?

[Hoppster]

Jilynne, who do you think we should lynch today?

[IceGuy]

seems like a lot of work and analysis for something that's not guaranteed for us to win.

The game would be rather boring if there were a guaranteed way for one side to win.

One of the advantages I can see is that it would make scum have to really buckle down and work things out and how they are going to proceed.

For some reason, this sentence makes my scumdar beep continuously.

Would this system pretty much out some people as town though?

How?

Anyway, what are your reads?

[Moratorium]

DK, please give your case on IceGuy.

So far, it appears your case is "Because he voted for me", and "I've never played with him before".