Mini 1175: Iowa Mafia (Game Over!)

[Zachrulez]

To suggest that I was actually suggesting a gamestate where people didn't provide their own opinions or tried to influence opinion is something I can't fathom you actually believing I would do.

I think you assume I know a lot more about your meta than I do. You were useless as scum, and your town games have all been with sotty in a hydra so I never payed or cared about your play. I am suggesting nothing, you PROPOSED such a fucking gamestate WITH YOUR OWN WORDS. You can't say I'm twisting or misrepresenting anything, its RIGHT THERE with your "lets just lynch who they say." Which, fuck all other scumhunting, would result in a END OF DAY FLIP of something chosen entirely by a player whos alignment is already known.

You're missing the fact that I didn't say fuck scumhunting. You're also missing the fact that my statement was as much for reactions as it was for the fact that lynching someone they find suspicious at the end of the day is probably a pretty good idea.

For you to say that it wouldn't result in anymore scumhunting, discussion, or responsibility for the lynch is a pretty ridiculous claim.

Your lack of meta knowledge on me is the only reason I don't have a strong scumread on you right now. If either of you had any recent experience, it would be ON, because I would expect you to know better then. Unfamiliarity with my town meta opens the possibility that you don't.

I'll take their reads over yours given that yours have resulted in 2 mason claims and your other scum read is me. (And you wonder why I would be uneasy about you?)

If you genuinely think being wrong D1 is a scumtell then I'm even less interested in learning your meta, because it is apparently much worse than I gave you credit for.

If you honestly think I shouldn't be uneasy that I'm one of your scumreads and they

were

, you're a far worse player than I gave you credit for.

Also, and here's something that does interest me, what ever happened to your Hiplop scumread?

UH OH. WAS THAT EARLY GAME DISTANCING?

Explained it here

Btw, if I was scum with hiplop hypothetically, I wouldn't unvote him, ever, except to change my vote in a deadline situation. I'm positive you know how I bus as scum.

[Zachrulez]

Oh right, READS change.

Remember that?

Apparently that only applies to you.

[Final Destination]

I'm not interested in your meta, if you KNOW your meta than you can manipulate it to your advantage.

ALSO remember hiplop saying "don't tunnel on the council, Fate"? I could see him being uneasy that I had placed a scum in the council (you) and wanted to try and get points for saying there could be scum in the council at the start later on.

I saw your explanation, it was bullshit. META

If you honestly think I shouldn't be uneasy that I'm one of your scumreads and they were, you're a far worse player than I gave you credit for.

We can ad hom back and forth, but once you flip scum I'll get the last laugh. /grin

[Final Destination]

Oh right, READS change.

Remember that?

Apparently that only applies to you.

Yeah they do.

My reads change when new information in this game comes forth.

YOUR reads change magically after you read another game where hiplop was scum, and then by DIVINE INSIGHT you learned he was town this game?

Lol.

[Twistedspoon]

FD is town
Zach is town
Mike is probtown

Hiplop I can roll with. I'll trust you with earworm today even though I'm still uncomfortable with his wagoning

VOTE: Hiplop

[Zachrulez]

I'm not interested in your meta, if you KNOW your meta than you can manipulate it to your advantage.

ALSO remember hiplop saying "don't tunnel on the council, Fate"? I could see him being uneasy that I had placed a scum in the council (you) and wanted to try and get points for saying there could be scum in the council at the start later on.

I saw your explanation, it was bullshit. META

If you honestly think I shouldn't be uneasy that I'm one of your scumreads and they were, you're a far worse player than I gave you credit for.

We can ad hom back and forth, but once you flip scum I'll get the last laugh. /grin

You won't be laughing when I flip... unless you're scum, because I'm not flipping scum.

If Hiplop is scum, I'll take the 1 for 1 trade and then I can better vet my blacklist to make sure Fate doesn't sneak in on it under a hydra account again.

[Final Destination]

Blacklisted for being wrong?

Nah, you're just ad hom to the extreme.

Also I love how you play both sides of the fence, "you won't laugh unless youre scum... if you're not scum I'm blacklisting you... I don't really have a strong stance on your alignment lolz"

If Hiplop is scum, I'll take the 1 for 1 trade and then I can better vet my blacklist to make sure Fate doesn't sneak in on it under a hydra account again.

[Zachrulez]

YOU'RE ALREADY ON MY BLACKLIST.

I just hate playing with you, and had I known you were in this game, I wouldn't have joined it.

[bvoigt]

Vote Count 1.9

hiplop (4)- monk, Empking, Final Destination, Twistedspoon
Akira (3)- mikemike778, Archaist, earworm
mikemike778 (2)- bgg1996, Greymarble
bgg1996 (1)- archaebob
Archaist (1)- hiplop
earworm (1)- Zachrulez
monk (0)
Twistedspoon (0)
Final Destination (0)
archaebob (0)
Greymarble (0)
Zachrulez (0)
Empking (0)
Not Voting (1)- Akira

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
The deadline for Day 1 is June 14 at 9:00 PM CST.

[Final Destination]

YOU'RE ALREADY ON MY BLACKLIST.

I just hate playing with you, and had I known you were in this game, I wouldn't have joined it.

CRY MOAR SCUM

[Zachrulez]

/in before accusation of zach trying to get towncred.

I'm willing to move to a hiplop wagon, but not before bob weighs in. (Or Monk and Archaist for that matter.)

BTW, if I was truly planning to sheep the masons or promote that game state, I would have waited for them to tell me who to vote, obviously I find value in scumhunting and discussion.

(I do also reserve the right to vote with them if their reads agree with mine.)

[Final Destination]

/in before accusation of zach trying to get towncred.

I'm willing to move to a hiplop wagon, but not before bob weighs in.

(Or Monk and Archaist for that matter.)

BTW, if I was truly planning to sheep the masons or promote that game state

, I would have waited for them to tell me who to vote

, obviously I find value in scumhunting and discussion.

(I do also reserve the right to vote with them if their reads agree with mine.)

GEE I DUNNO THAT FENCE MUST BE REAL UNCOMFORTABLE MR.

[Twistedspoon]

I'm willing to move to a hiplop wagon, but not before bob weighs in. (Or Monk and Archaist for that matter.)

or akira

I'm very interested in why his vote is sat there doing nothing like a lemon

[Zachrulez]

YOU'RE ALREADY ON MY BLACKLIST.

I just hate playing with you, and had I known you were in this game, I wouldn't have joined it.

CRY MOAR SCUM

NO YOU.

MAYBE IF I POST LIKE YOU MORE YOU'LL GET THE IDEA.

CAPS FOR NO REASON YAY.

[Zachrulez]

Ok, seriously, I've had to stop myself from posting something unflattering at least twice now.

I'm putting FD on ignore before this gets really ugly.

[Final Destination]

/in before accusation of zach trying to get towncred.

I'm willing to move to a hiplop wagon, but not before bob weighs in.

(Or Monk and Archaist for that matter.)

BTW, if I was truly planning to sheep the masons or promote that game state

, I would have waited for them to tell me who to vote

, obviously I find value in scumhunting and discussion.

(I do also reserve the right to vote with them if their reads agree with mine.)

GEE I DUNNO THAT FENCE MUST BE REAL UNCOMFORTABLE MR.

IGNORE ME WHEN I MAKE TH EBEST POINTS


EXCELLENT STRATEGY SCUM

BRAVO.

[Akira]

DAMN GUYS LET ME POST

I still have that slight townread on hiplop, but I see the bussing you're talking about.

Zach is over-defending himself though. I'm trying to understand his stance right now on hiplop. You say you're willing to lynch him, but at the same time it looks like you've got a problem with the wagon on him.

I'm more comfortable with a Zach lynch (if he isn't teamed up with hiplop), but I'd like to hear hiplop's reaction to all this.
VOTE: hiplop

[Twistedspoon]

I'm putting FD on ignore before this gets really ugly.

dude, is there seriously an ignore function on this forum?

anyways, I'm seeing this zach reaction as a frustrated town one.

[Zachrulez]

I'm putting FD on ignore before this gets really ugly.

dude, is there seriously an ignore function on this forum?

anyways, I'm seeing this zach reaction as a frustrated town one.

No there's not, and it's impractical for this game.

I've considered replacement, and that may be the only solution here.

[Zachrulez]

DAMN GUYS LET ME POST

I still have that slight townread on hiplop, but I see the bussing you're talking about.

Zach is over-defending himself though. I'm trying to understand his stance right now on hiplop. You say you're willing to lynch him, but at the same time it looks like you've got a problem with the wagon on him.

I'm more comfortable with a Zach lynch (if he isn't teamed up with hiplop), but I'd like to hear hiplop's reaction to all this.
VOTE: hiplop

If bussing is the only reason you suspect me, the case falls apart once you say you think Hiplop is town.

Don't fuckin call this a case when it doesn't have legs.

Fate's playstyle breeds defensive reactions. The problem with him is that he thinks they all come from scum.

[Zachrulez]

And Hiplop isn't my first lynch choice no. (Sorry, I missed answering that point before.)

[archaebob]

@ Zach - Please don't replace. I'm going to make it ok, I promise.

[Twistedspoon]

Fate's playstyle breeds defensive reactions. The problem with him is that he thinks they all come from scum.

this is quite true actually

[Twistedspoon]

WHY ARE YOU LURKING EMPKING?

[Empking]

NOT LURKING I JUST HAVE NOTHING TO ADD AND MY WAGON IS THE BIGGEST!