Mini 1185 - Artemis Fowl Mafia Game Over

[SleepyKrew]

bob, quicklynch=bad.
DN is confused because he's good at town but he's not town so he's confused?

[DeathNote]

Lol me being good at town. If you are referring to the best town thing, I just got lucky to

be

on a town that won that award. I probably didn't help that game at all.

[AlmasterGM]

Lots of stuff.

Happy with my MPR suspcions. This post makes a point to focus on the irrelevant things in the game while ignoring the serious topics. Not much contribution to be found.

UNVOTE: volkan
Well, I guss it's time for him to claim... already? L-2 now, with my vote in essence on him.

My motivations were plenty clear. It was a completely serious reason. I just felt sad for having missed RVS, so I threw some in there as well.

First, it is page 3 and you want a claim already? As far as I'm aware, the argument against him is "he agreed with someone." Is there more? Are you really willing to take that simple statement to the bank for a claim?

Second, you are backpedaling. You say the vote was completely serious, but then the first thing you said was "the spelling of his name." You didn't call it a joke. This seems to me like you are changing your tune now to make it look legitimate when it was not. Second, your claim of "why doesn't vollkan do something about the RVS" is extremely vague and untrue. He DID do something about it - agreed with my argument against LMP and voted with it. But now you're voting for him because of that? What?

Unvote, Vote: SleepyKrew.

ahh I see my problem. I generally ignore Katsuki's posts because she has a history of pissing me off. BUT I obviously need to let that go.

UNVOTE: MPR

Vollkan is at L-1?

Time to ===[] ?

Do you think he should be hammered? What do you think of the case?

[bobsnox]

Ok I thought Katsuki was softclaiming an investigation result on vollkan. I really will go read everything this time <_<

Sorry - in way too many games right now. Might have to be a flake for once and replace out.

[AlmasterGM]

Softclaiming an investigation? It's Day 1.

And yes, if you don't think you can keep up, please replace out. I have seen your posts across the forum in general and you almost never post more than 2-3 lines. If you are highly involved with and analyzing the game then short posts are fine, but you aren't, so that is only going to be an extremely annoying detriment.

[kiwieagle]

Ok I thought Katsuki was softclaiming an investigation result on vollkan

. I really will go read everything this time <_<

Sorry - in way too many games right now. Might have to be a flake for once and replace out.

o.O

[Katsuki]

Ok I thought Katsuki was softclaiming an investigation result on vollkan

. I really will go read everything this time <_<

Sorry - in way too many games right now. Might have to be a flake for once and replace out.

o.O

I has laser eyez.
______________________________________________

In other news, MPR IS TOWN~

Bob should replace out.

[Leiskyrie]

Ok I thought Katsuki was softclaiming an investigation result on vollkan.

Even if that was the case, why would you suggest hammering without any more discussion/reply/claim from vollkan?

[MehPlusRawr]

Lots of stuff.

Happy with my MPR suspcions. This post makes a point to focus on the irrelevant things in the game while ignoring the serious topics. Not much contribution to be found.

UNVOTE: volkan
Well, I guss it's time for him to claim... already? L-2 now, with my vote in essence on him.

My motivations were plenty clear. It was a completely serious reason. I just felt sad for having missed RVS, so I threw some in there as well.

First, it is page 3 and you want a claim already? As far as I'm aware, the argument against him is "he agreed with someone." Is there more? Are you really willing to take that simple statement to the bank for a claim?

Second, you are backpedaling. You say the vote was completely serious, but then the first thing you said was "the spelling of his name." You didn't call it a joke. This seems to me like you are changing your tune now to make it look legitimate when it was not. Second, your claim of "why doesn't vollkan do something about the RVS" is extremely vague and untrue. He DID do something about it - agreed with my argument against LMP and voted with it. But now you're voting for him because of that? What?

Unvote, Vote: SleepyKrew.

ahh I see my problem. I generally ignore Katsuki's posts because she has a history of pissing me off. BUT I obviously need to let that go.

UNVOTE: MPR

Vollkan is at L-1?

Time to ===[] ?

Do you think he should be hammered? What do you think of the case?

What topics do you find serious?

[kiwieagle]

I do not understand why you think he is scum.

Let me put it in terms you'll find easier to understand then?

"HERP DERP I'M VOLKAN. HEY AGM, YOU'RE STARTING A

SUPER SRS WAGON?

AND I CAN JOIN WITH IMPUNITY? LET ME HOP ON THAT BITCH."

In other words, his joining you on your confirmation time crusade was the most opportunistic vote I've seen on Page 1. Ever.

It was totally trying to ride your coattails.

It was one vote?
and it was RVS?
and then you say

"his joining you on your confirmation time crusade was the most opportunistic vote I've seen on Page 1. Ever."

opportunistic vote? im sorry...?
it was a simple RVS, and he agreed with someone why does that make it so

HERP DERP I'M VOLKAN. HEY AGM, YOU'RE STARTING A

SUPER SRS WAGON?

AND I CAN JOIN WITH IMPUNITY? LET ME HOP ON THAT BITCH."?

And even if he did "ride the coattails" of AGM....why does that deserve L-1?

Something really opportunistic might of been Sleepkreew hoping on Volkans wagon...

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.3:

vollkan (5): Lady Lambdadelta, Leiskyrie, Katsuki, Ellibereth, MehPlusRawr
SleepyKrew (3): kiwieagle, Kwanton, AlamasterGM
bobsnox (1): DeathNote
Ellibereth (1): Acosmist

Not voting: bobsnox, vollkan, SleepyKrew

The deadline is at 8am GMT on the 20th June 2011. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Katsuki]

This vollkan wagon is townier than town.

[kiwieagle]

[quote="AlmasterGM

Sorry for not getting here earlier! I was traveling and din't expect this to start until I arrived. Onto business now:
VOTE: volkan
For not spelling his name the way it should be spelled. And for not liking RVS. Why didn't you do something yourself to get us out of RVS?

This post does not smell good

You are right. The post above does not smell good

. Two people have called vollkan real-scum. You cannot walk in and RVS-vote him without commenting on that.

You did the same...Vollkan had 4 votes on him and you just came and RVSed...

I think he's real-scum too. Allow me to dissect my post.
1. Spelling:
RVS joke
2. Not liking RVS:
Leads into the next point
3. Not getting us out of RVS himself:
And here's the seriousness. If you dislike RVS so much, then DO something about it.

And something that happened after the post:
So, MPR has given a proper defense. It's been checked, verified, etc. Why didn't you check it yourself instead of saying "Bah! I'm the interrogator! Bah!"

This also answers the other question to me, correct?[/quote]

[kiwieagle]

wtf went wrong with that quote?

[Acosmist]

bobsnox hates to be scum, so if he replaces out we can safely vote his slot until it swings from the scum-killing-tree

just an fyi

[Acosmist]

Softclaiming an investigation? It's Day 1.

And yes, if you don't think you can keep up, please replace out. I have seen your posts across the forum in general and you almost never post more than 2-3 lines. If you are highly involved with and analyzing the game then short posts are fine, but you aren't, so that is only going to be an extremely annoying detriment.

BECAUSE WALLPOSTS ARE FUN TO READ

[vollkan]

And here's the seriousness. If you dislike RVS so much, then DO something about it.

Well, for starters, you've ignored entirely my response on this very point:

My view (see here for a MD example) is that RVS and is generally useless. Every alternative that I've either personally tried (self-voting to draw out stupid reflexive players) or have seen (RQS) doesn't work much better (or worse) either. AGM came up with something genuinely novel, so I was willing to try it. No matter how you start the game things move eventually, so it isn't a big deal, but if there is a better way to do it I am interested in learning it.

To add to that - go back and have a look at every one of my games over the past two years (IIRC, it's been that long since I gave up on self-voting). Count for me please the number of times that I've come up with my own alternative to RVS. If you don't want to do that, then let me tell you the answer: zero.

I think RVS is rarely useful, and often a waste of time. But, fortunately, it is also generally short-lived because something ALWAYS comes up - whether by luck or the actions of other people. So, I do as best I can to engage in serious discussion when it arises.

UNVOTE: volkan
Well, I guss it's time for him to claim... already? L-2 now, with my vote in essence on him.

Krew+7

,

Unvote, Vote: Krew

Let me very clear as to why, so that I don't get howls of "OMGUS" from the more lobotomised of you. Aside from ignoring my response he proceeds to push the wagon beyond the point of no return by demanding a claim. If he was town genuinely trying to ascertain my alignment, I would have expected a response ordinarily, but especially given that he was trying to force a claim. Coupled with the fact that he initially voted me for random reasons, then slides in the seriousness afterwards, I think it merits 7 points. Joining a wagon for random reasons, then adding on some weak serious reasons and, of all things, UNVOTING before demanding a claim reeks of trying to slip in under the radar.

[Acosmist]

yeah a lot of people hate RVS because they prefer not to have to force themselves to be casual; they want to get into pointless semantic arguments so they can nail someone for a verbal slip-up

we call that lot of people "scumlors"

Ellibereth where are the random statistics, broski?

[vollkan]

yeah a lot of people hate RVS because they prefer not to have to force themselves to be casual; they want to get into pointless semantic arguments so they can nail someone for a verbal slip-up

we call that lot of people "scumlors"

Acosmist+5

1) You are saying having a meta dislike of RVS automatically makes a person scum?
2) If yes, why?
3) If no - then suppose a player with said dislike read AGM's post and thought "Hmm, that sounds like a good idea". What should they do?
4) Why are you pulling "pointless semantic arguments so they can nail someone for a verbal slip-up" out of your arse? I don't think I've done that at all this game, so inserting it in your attack just seems to be a way to make me seem scummy for no basis whatsoever

[Acosmist]

1 yep
2 cuz RVS is a pure mirror into alignment and that terrifies scum
3 lolumad
4 I was attacking you waaaaat

[Acosmist]

so what's the +5 about, am I a magical weapon? am I vorpal? Will I vig you at night for being scum?

[vollkan]

1 yep

What was my alignment in the MD thread I linked?

2 cuz RVS is a pure mirror into alignment and that terrifies scum

How many times have you seen scum caught as a result of RVS?

3 lolumad

So, I ask a serious question which goes to something at the heart of my now-very-serious wagon, and the best you can come up with is "lolumad"?

4 I was attacking you waaaaat

If it had nothing to do with me, then what on earth was the relevance of "pointless semantic arguments so they can nail someone for a verbal slip-up"? Just poisoning the well?

so what's the +5 about, am I a magical weapon? am I vorpal? Will I vig you at night for being scum?

For the uninitiated, I rank my suspects from 0 (absolutely town) - 100 (absolutely scum). Everybody starts at 50. Because I basically don't believe in towntells and am skeptical about most scumtells, it is very common for people to stay at 50. 50 does not mean "no opinion" - it means "I don't see scumtells" from this person. Absent claims, deadline compromises, etc. I will

always

vote the person with the highest score.

[Ellibereth]

yeah a lot of people hate RVS because they prefer not to have to force themselves to be casual; they want to get into pointless semantic arguments so they can nail someone for a verbal slip-up

we call that lot of people "scumlors"

Ellibereth where are the random statistics, broski?

Hm?
Oh that game...oh my that game. I usually don't do that shit.

[Acosmist]

wall-e post

I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

MD thread?

Uh, I dunno, more than 0? I don't keep statistics...that's Ellibereth's job (ps he's not doing it now! Either his meta changed or he is scum! Inclusive disjunction!)

Serious question? Do you want me to speculate on a counterfactual? If x, then answer y; if ~x, then answer z. Well, I said x, right? So why am I answering z? I'm not. Obviously.

I wish I could be as naive as you, thinking every argument in this game has been substantive so far.

so what do you do when you're scum? Roll a die? How do you add points to reads when you're lying through your teeth? How does one fake a scumread with such mathematical precision? I'm curious, because I want to know how you do it. In theory. If you ever were scum, and, say, got really upset by some offhand remarks and gave someone, I dunno, let's say, +5 on your scumometer. In that unlikely series of events, how would you BS your way to that?

you also didn't answer my last question ;_;

[Acosmist]

yeah a lot of people hate RVS because they prefer not to have to force themselves to be casual; they want to get into pointless semantic arguments so they can nail someone for a verbal slip-up

we call that lot of people "scumlors"

Ellibereth where are the random statistics, broski?

Hm?
Oh that game...oh my that game. I usually don't do that shit.

Oh all right, but you were town and you did it! What are you usually? SK? Mafia? Jester?