New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[mastin2]

(So, no, not three-for-three, since I'm town. Had Toon saw the intent of the post rather than just read the surface and see me claim his role, it would've worked.

All experienced players know that if a player lies about being a vig, the proper Real Vig play is to SHOOT the guy claiming to be your role, NOT to lynch them and give yourself away.

I was hoping the vig'd know this, but apparently, I was wrong. :/)

[mastin2]

(In other words, to me, it was quite obvious that by claiming vig, I was broadcasting to the real vig, 1: "Not Scum! Lynch elsewhere; use judgement as to whether or not I deserve a bullet." And 2: "If you think I'm scum claiming your role, SHOOT ME. Don't waste a lynch on me!"

Obviously, I was hoping to be subtle enough that the scum wouldn't figure out I was faking, leaving the possibility of me being killed by them.

Apparently, was a bit TOO subtle. )

[mastin2]

And, yeah. I'll stick by it having been the correct play. The rest of the town can shout at me in the dead QT for fakeclaiming twice as town, but both times had a purpose, both were gambits which had a (in my opinion) low risk, with a (in my opinion) quite high reward.

In this case, lynching scum and being three-for-three (while potentially drawing the NK away from the real vig, too!), rather than the mislynch which just happened on me.

[mastin2]

So, yeah. Me lynched, Toon (presumably) killed by the scum (dang it, you really weren't supposed to claim, Toon. Paraphrased, it's been said by many players, "A vig CCs with a Bullet." Not a vote and dayclaim), Zepher/Maxous killed, hopefully flipping scum. But worst case scenario, is that they'll flip town, (ten alive now, seven alive tomorrow) and then we'll lynch the other in them. (Six alive in night, five alive coming out.) If they SOMEHOW were both town, lylo. Otherwise, not lylo. And I don't think they are both town.

Hence the gambit.

[Toon Fighter]

Why do you keep lying, mastin?

[Toon Fighter]

I didn't wait for the night because you could be a BP something

[quadz08]

Votstorevsky

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

jmurph3 (0) –
silverbullet999 (0) –

Lynch! -->

mastin2 (6) – Maxous, silverbullet999, Nobody Special, Pine, jmurph3, Toon Fighter
nhammen (0) –
Pine (1) –
MrZepher (1) – nhammen
Nobody Special (0) -
Uite (0) -
Toon Fighter (1) – Uite
Maxous (2)– mastin2, MrZepher

Not Voting (0) –

A lynch has been reached. Modscene will be up soon.

[quadz08]

Mastin has been lynched.

He was a

Vanilla Townie.

Night 3 begins now. Actions are due in 80 hours.

[quadz08]

jmurph3 was killed. She was a

Town Third Wheel (Mason)

.

Day 4 Begins

The Votecount Which First Occurs on Day the Fourth

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

silverbullet999 (0) –
nhammen (0) –
Pine (0) –
MrZepher (0) –
Nobody Special (0) -
Uite (0) -
Toon Fighter (0) –
Maxous (0)–

Not Voting (0) – Maxous, silverbullet999, Nobody Special, Pine, Toon Fighter,
Nhammen, Uite, MrZepher

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-06-26 02:00:00)

[Pine]

VOTE: Toon Fighter

I roleblocked Toon and no second kill happened. Mafia scum or SK scum.

Short day ahoy!

[Maxous]

...he claimed to being a vigilante

@Toon Fighter: Why did you kill Wriath N1?
Who did you aim at last night?

I seriously expected not be alive.. :/

[Pine]

I didn't believe the claim. It's SK-posing-as-vig, or scum posing as vig.

Look at the kills. None of them were pro-Town [/opinion]

[Toon Fighter]

I aimed at Max last night.

[Toon Fighter]

I seriously expected to be dead by now.

vote: Pine

RB me was scummy as hell. Seriously, I had just cc a vig and lynched him. You are obvscum RB.

[Toon Fighter]

I killed Wraith N1 because he seemed scummy to me, just like DK, but I figured DK was easier to lynch D2, so I went for the hard one of the two. Plus, with Wraith dead I could focus on getting DK lynched. Unfortunately, I missed my shot, but at least we got a scum lynched D2.

I killed Surye N2 because of DK's gambit, and because of the way Surye reacted to it, refusing to take a bullet for the town. Plus, Mastin was suggesting his kill, and I trusted mastin (until he claimed vig).

I shot at Max N3 because the wagon that was built on him seemed to be thrown of by scum to get mastin lynched. I still believe in Max scum, but Pine RB me is just wrong play. Plus, a scum team RB me and killing jmurph tonight makes absolute sense for the scum POV, eliminating the possibility of a vig kill on scum and possibly setting me up for today's lynch, as well as getting rid of the only confirmed town we had left.

[Pine]

Roleblocking you may have been wrong-headed and a bad choice, but with Mastin dead, it was down to NS or you. You claimed vig, and I just don't see it.

I forgot about Surye, though, that was a good kill. It would have been good from any alignment, though, and I don't see Wraith as a legitimate vig. He hadn't done anything to warrant it, and there were far better options at that time.

Explain why you killed Wraith.

[Toon Fighter]

He had lurked throughout D1, but from the posts he made he looked like he could be on Amor's scumteam. I don't remember exactly why I chose him, but tomorrow I'll look more into it.

Why were the only options NS and me? Why not Max or MrZepher, the two players mastin town attacked when alive?

[Pine]

"down to NS or you"...as my top suspects for SK, which is the kill I was trying to prevent. I forgot about this game a bit and had to make a last-second decision when quadz poked me 2 hours before deadline asking for my choice. It was perhaps ill-considered.

Whatever.

UNVOTE: Toon
VOTE: Maxous

Almost as good, and just as certain.

[MrZepher]

I believe the vig claim actually.

I still believe that Maxous could be scum.
I think I let myself get distracted from who we should have been lynching.

Vote: Maxous

[Toon Fighter]

I could vote Max right now, and I'm inclined to do it, but I don't like Pine's play. He forgot about the game?

[Maxous]

Pine makes little sense.. of course Toon Fighter was the second kill source.
And it seems

he did

read that part where Toon claimed. His kills were'nt pro-town.'Oh apart from the Surye one' which was

half his kills.

And only after he voted did he ask for an explanation of why Wraith was killed.
And this is not to mention how Pine seems overly worried about the presence of a SK in this game. FFS I had him as my strongest town-read earlier.

Toon Fighter is not mafia. It would make such negative sense to counterclaim a vig as mafia.
It's quite unlikely he is a SK either. Would you immediatly cc a vig and hammer instead of going 'oh shit is he really a vig? Gotta be careful'. Because if Mastion actually flipped vig we would know Toon is a SK.
So yeah Toon is town and I'm taking a truckload of egg on my face.

Trivia question: Who can tell me Toon Fighter's last vote before he hammered Mastin?

VOTE: Pine

[Toon Fighter]

I still hold my theory of a {Max, Pine} scum team, but I don't really see how these last posts/votes fit the theory. I'm gonna think about it and later tell my thoughts

[silverbullet999]

VOTE: pine

[Toon Fighter]

[pine is at L-2]

[quadz08]

The Votecount Which Second Occurs on Day the Fourth

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

silverbullet999 (0) –
nhammen (0) –

L-2 --->

Pine (3) – Toon Fighter, Maxous, silverbullet999
MrZepher (0) –
Nobody Special (0) -
Uite (0) -
Toon Fighter (0) –
Maxous (2) – Pine, MrZepher

Not Voting (3) – Nobody Special, Nhammen, Uite,

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-06-26 02:00:00)