Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[DrippingGoofball]

LLD isn't cult.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD isn't cult.

You had any question of this~? ^-^

[Chronopie]

In S1, I was seem as scummy by probably 2/3rds of the playerlist, while still town, resulting in this gem:

Night 3

- I investigated Chronopie (*drumrollllllll* - TOWN. Holy good gravy, that was unexpected. =0 ...sorry for doubting you, Chrono).

He was a cultist by that point, but I wasn't recruited until that night.

P.Edit: Surprising. Most of the votes are probably because I'm on Limited Access, thus have been less able to contribute, thus misconstrued as being deliberately lurking.

[Yosarian2]

Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.

Is that really your whole case against Chrono?

[Herodotus]

Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.

Is that really your whole case against Chrono?

I understand that you disagree? Do you find him likely town?

[Yosarian2]

Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.

Is that really your whole case against Chrono?

I understand that you disagree? Do you find him likely town?

This isn't about what I think. What this is about is that, if the game is 40 pages long, and Flameaxe listed Chrono as one of his 3 suspects, he should have more reason then "He was recruited on night 4 of sucession mafia I".

As for what I think; if someone has a decent case against Chrono, I want to hear it. As of right now, I haven't really heard a convincing one.

[Cobblerfone]

My reason for "voting" Chrono was laying low, but apparently I forgot his LA.

Yos2 has a good point, but Flameaxe was the recruiter so...bias.

Still, I am too tired to think about switching my three "votes" right now.

[Herodotus]

If there's a convincing case that he's town, I want to hear that. Humor me.

[Chronopie]

The Burden of Proof should fall on those pushing the scum angle.

[Yosarian2]

If there's a convincing case that he's town, I want to hear that. Humor me.

If I had a strong reason to believe that he was town, I certainty would have shared it before now, considering he's one of the main suspects.

For the most part, he's pretty null. He hasn't said that much, or done that much. I actually consider him calling DGB town and sheeping on her Xvart vote a fairly reasonable move at the early point of the game when he did it, but he hasn't really done much since then. Of course, he has been limited access. (shrug)

The fact that he hasn't really done anything pro-town yet is certainty an argument against him, but I wouldn't put him in my top suspects list.

[populartajo]

Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.

Is that really your whole case against Chrono?

I understand that you disagree? Do you find him likely town?

I understand that you think Chrono was recruited?

[Tanarin]

The logic's not off... just worded weirdly.

The fewer the scum, the more impact a scum vig kill will have (going into D2 with 1 recruit still). I don't agree with that should be done, but it is reasonable.

Oh well when put that way, yeah it does make sense now. Scratch LL from my list then.

[xvart]

Don't worry your pretty little heads. I will be glad to outline the evidence that indites Chronopie as recruited upon my return to the mainland; and it is more than the V/LA. I'll be back and in full swing tomorrow night.

[Flameaxe]

Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.

Is that really your whole case against Chrono?

No...I was stating it in reply to the comments regarding Chrono. I've been spouting out about how likely recruits are silly sounding the entire game, and was simply saying that Chrono should not be a player to throw away as not being a probable recruit. Chrono is 3rd (probably closer to 4th now, but ThAD's stupid lists seem to frown upon changes) due to general lack of content and what I consider to be a mostly fluffy ISO. In addition, the xvart vote was pretty terrible (the vote was monday, not early game). With the little content chrono has up till now, claiming a vote as sheeping DGB doesn't sit well with me.

So yeah, basically, read the ISO and tell me how many useful posts chrono has at this point. That's why he is where he is on my list. Him being listed as a probable recruit was only posted to show that I don't feel he should be ignored. Hope this helps.

@Cobble: Elaborate on this bias you speak of. S1 is over, this is a new game. What was done has been done and has been pushed aside.

@Batt: You consider chrono's calling DGB town and sheeping a vote reasonable at an early point in the game. The only problem with it is that I don't see where it happened in early game, as I said above. The sheeping of the vote happened on monday, and chrono was not voting in any votecount up until the last votecount (votecount 10).

[Flameaxe]

So if you were the only one trying to recruit him night 4 and his play was so-so, then how does he become a viable recruitment day 1 with white flag rule?

How does he not?

[Magister Ludi]

I thought the point of those three man lists were to lynch the player who wound out on top? If people aren't going to follow that, why did they supply three names in the first place?

I would like to point out twice now Yos2 has ignored questions directly asked of him by me. You can state you don't want to answer them for whatever reason you like, but ignoring them completley only keeps solidifiying my read on you.

As for Chrono's (et al.) 'burden of proof goes on the accuser' statement, I find that slightly suspect in itself.

For one, you're saying that doing nothing should be excusable behavior because it doesn't make a person scum. Granted, but I it isn't a town tell in the slightest. And you should actively be doing things to make yourself appear town, not simply stating you 'aren't scum'.

Confronted with this accusation, Chronopie, instead of trying to establish his pro-town sentiment through a list of actions/read he has done already that show/prove his towni-ness, (or promptly giving those reads), essentialy states that other people should convince him he is scum.

It smells of a defensive mindset, a reactionary mindset.

Maybe he didn't go back into his history because there wan't too much there. There is little there, and what is there isn't stellar. Personal skill degredation, and other actions stick out. He looks like a very probable recruit at this point.

[Porochaz]

Updated:

chronopie - 11
thad - 5
springlullaby - 5
yosarian - 5
cobblerfone - 5
xvart - 5
populartajo - 4
magister ludi - 3
lambadelta - 3
herodotus - 2
nobody special - 2
ruadhrgarm - 2
seraphim - 1
battouasi - 1
bunnylover - 1

Chronopie way out in the lead now, with a late surge for yos and thad (seriously guys I'm flattered you think of me that way) putting them up with other people on 5 votes spring, xvart and cobbler.

W hav had a couple since then but why are we going back to xvart?

[ThAdmiral]

Xvart
Tajo
NS

Thanks!

Yos2
Chrono
LL

Cheers!

Chrono is 3rd (probably closer to 4th now, but ThAD's stupid lists seem to frown upon changes)

[ThAdmiral]

Updated:

chronopie - 12
yosarian - 6
xvart - 6
thad - 5
springlullaby - 5
cobblerfone - 5
populartajo - 5
lady lambadelta - 4
magister ludi - 3
nobody special - 3
herodotus - 2
ruadhrgarm - 2
seraphim - 1
battouasi - 1
bunnylover - 1

Chrono still way out in the lead, but the real story is yosarian, whose meteoric rise has put him comfortably in second place with 6, sharing the spot with current "actual" vote leader xvart.

[ThAdmiral]

People who

still

haven't listed

List of SHAME!!!:

lady lambadelta
ruadhrgarm
seraphim
springlullaby
zdenek

[ooba]

This entire process seems sub-optimal somehow .. I don't think Chrono is a recruit .. On the other hand don't see xvart or Yos either so people should just join me on tajo ..

Lady- That last post is just wrong. The best chance at hitting the scum is when there is a high amount of them. There is a high chance of the vigs weakening the town tonight if they misfire.

wtf are you talking about?

The best chance at hitting the scum is later, when there are a lot of recruits.

With a reduced number of recruits, a vig shoot is dumb.

Just wanted to comment on this -

ALL VIGS SHOULD SHOOT TONIGHT

.. When you have the chance of shooting a recruit and taking down an entire cult team before it can ramp up in power, you take it .. Because *even if you assume vigs are unrecruitable like in S1*, if you hold off on the shot too long - all you'll be playing is kingmaker in deciding which cult team wins ..

[Porochaz]

Yes, the process seems sub-optimal because none of the people at the top are who you suspect.

[Cobblerfone]

@Cobble: Elaborate on this bias you speak of. S1 is over, this is a new game. What was done has been done and has been pushed aside.

I just meant that you've recruited him before so of course you'd see him as a good recruit, right?

I'm a bit disturbed with RaudhrGarm not replacing out or posting by now. Isn't that usually a scumtell if a player goes on V/LA for too long?

[ThAdmiral]

I'm a bit disturbed with RaudhrGarm not replacing out or posting by now. Isn't that usually a scumtell if a player goes on V/LA for too long?

I don't know, cobbler. Is it?

[Cobblerfone]

All I know is that I heard it was or it was discussed and it happened in my newbie game. It was unplanned, but I think that's part of it. The person doesn't want to switch out. It's situational I guess. I guess that's why I've generally lost faith in scumtells... They are situational.