Newbie 1104 -- Game over

[zMuffinMan]

Espe doesn't need to claim.... noragar is closer to being lynched than Espe. And claiming early is always a bad thing. Bad twisted, bad.

[Espeonage]

Ok TS is town despite the anti-town lapse of late.

Unvote

Need to work out where my vote should go.

[Espeonage]

TOWN

Noragar
Twistedspoon

NEUTRAL

Morthas - Yet to do iso
gbevil - Yet to do iso

LEANING SCUM (In order of wanting to lynch)

forest_air
Haylen
zMuffin

Vote: f_a

[Twistedspoon]

Espe doesn't need to claim.... noragar is closer to being lynched than Espe. And claiming early is always a bad thing. Bad twisted, bad.

no

say for example espe claimed doc and had forest air as the protectee

then we have made 2 lynch candidates into confirmed townies in that instance

so it's not always a bad thing

[Espeonage]

It's not a good idea for the doc to claim this early.

[Twistedspoon]

indeed

[zMuffinMan]

er... I'll stop being lazy tomorrow and do something. Try not to hammer anyone before then, ty.

[Morthas]

@ Espo: Ok you go from having a strong town read on forest air + having a town read on muffin

TS is town, zMuffin is probably town. Also have a strong town read on f_a. Will probably go along wit a lynch on most other people if people post convincing cases.

then the only mention of Forest again is

Ok, just did f_a's iso quickly.
There are a couple of interesting things. There is a serious amount of IIoA. Now for a newbie that isn't so bad. The comments on the hammer post and just after are interesting. It also takes a bit of time before she actually moves her vote to otolia, who is supposedly her top scumspect for a bit of time beforehand. Comments post lynch look pretty bad too.
Also makes an interesting comment about conciseness being a scumtell. This while not strictly accurate is adds to her IIoA and large posting. Might be something there. In the possible scum group.

where you say (paraphrasing): she didn't do anything exactly scummy but she did do some questionable stuff => best chance of being scum

Unvote

VOTE: Haylen
So who do we go after if Haylen flips town, Esp?

Also this post is pretty scummy. Still leaning town on you though.

How exactly does Muffin become one of your suspects?

I didn't even do an ISO of noragar yet and im going to vote espe as soon as i check the vote count
Sorry but what i see is that you were just TRYING to fill up your readlist with suspects, you lurked through all of day 1, i did a quick iso on Otolia and i saw him not mentioning anything about Espe and still putting espe on his ''scummy'' players. I'm thinking that it makes sense for Espe to be scum.

P-Edit: OMFG I <3 YOU CHROME, I NEARLY HAD TO RETYPE EVERYTHING

[Espeonage]

I did mention it I believe. I don't vocalize everything that goes on in my head. The list is my conclusions.

[zMuffinMan]

I'm also interested in how I went from town -> leaning town after doing something scummy -> scum

[Morthas]

I did mention it I believe.

I don't vocalize everything that goes on in my head.

The list is my conclusions.

That defense without the actual explanation of what goes in your head below is a bad defense
VOTE: espe I'm pretty sure he wasn't L-1, huh TS.. you confuse me

[Twistedspoon]

I did mention it I believe.

I don't vocalize everything that goes on in my head.

The list is my conclusions.

That defense without the actual explanation of what goes in your head below is a bad defense
VOTE: espe I'm pretty sure he wasn't L-1, huh TS.. you confuse me

no but i said I would have L-1'ing him but i didn't want a quickhammer

and I don't want to hammer even now

espe is like my 3rd or 4th highest scumread now :/

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.06

Espeonage - 3 - zMuffinMan, noragar, Morthas
noragar - 3 - forest_air, gbevilchaos, Twistedspoon
forest_air - 1 - Espeonage

Not Voting: Haylen

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: June 21

V/LA: ...

[gbevilchaos]

Well, I'm thinking Hayl is scum. I'm going to vote for her after checking the ISO one more time, but that's my conclusion. You can come up with your own ideas of how I got there.

That doesn't exactly work, now does it Espe?

Unvote vote Espe

It's staying until I see some content. I'd like to now why you have your vote on f_a.

I do understand why you considered Muffin's Hayl vote to be scummy. He questioned what would happen if Hayl flipped town. That's a bit of a scumtell because a townie would be voting on someone that they're pretty sure is scum. I can see the reasoning, but I don't really agree with it. Taken in context with everything else Muffin has done, I doubt an experienced player would play like that if he was scum.

[zMuffinMan]

I'm not really experienced. And I would play like that as scum, if I felt it would help me win.

Anyway, try not to hammer before I wake up. I feel like writing a massive wall, and then chastising everyone for not reading it. But it's 5am and I can barely see straight.

[gbevilchaos]

I'm not really experienced.

And I would play like that as scum, if I felt it would help me win.

Anyway, try not to hammer before I wake up. I feel like writing a massive wall, and then chastising everyone for not reading it. But it's 5am and I can barely see straight.

You aren't as experienced as Hayl, but you've been around a few months. You know how to play the game.

[Twistedspoon]

you were all very well when i showed frosty was 99% town
in post #261

what's changed now?

[gbevilchaos]

you were all very well when i showed frosty was 99% town
in post #261

what's changed now?

It was an extreme example of Muffin's thought process. I thought it was obvious it wasn't serious.

To confirm, Hayl is a town read.

[Espeonage]

I'm a VT, Feel free to hammer.

[zMuffinMan]

Will post some stuff later tonight. Wasn't able to get on earlier due to some error.

[forest_air]

Sorry, I've been busy lately and every time I come over here, some of the things you guys are saying are totally going over my head. What does IIoA mean, anyways? I looked it up on the wiki but I'm confused.

@Espeonage Other than the "scummy behaviour" I've been displaying as of late, do you have any other reason to vote for me? I'm curious about this. I understand how my large posting may seem abnormal, like I'm trying to start a bandwagon or something, but I don't really understand what you were getting at for the most part.

For the time being, my vote stays on noragar because my gut's telling me chkflip/muffin is town.

I'll do a reread of the last few pages and repost my analysis sometime tomorrow when I have more time.

[Espeonage]

A combination of the things you have said and how you said them. I kinda went back and forth in your iso for a bit. Things sort of jumped out as scummy when considered together.

[Twistedspoon]

I still like the noragar wagon

anyways, I probably don't need to say hammering now would make me an unhappy camper

[zMuffinMan]

What's the case on noragar? Went through his ISO and saw nothing.

[Espeonage]

There isn't a case. it's a POE.