Mini 1185 - Artemis Fowl Mafia Game Over

[Katsuki]

We've driven this shenanigan far enough.

If Vollkan is scum, buddy can be probably be found here.

Stop your tunneling Kats. It was fun for a bit, and it gave us some good reactions that you are completely ignoring.

Do not like tone of this post.

I do agree it has given us quite a bit to work with. And a plethora of townreads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm asking you to check your reads. Kwanton is scum.

[Katsuki]

I could go with that.

Unvote, Vote: Kwanton

[bobsnox]

You're focusing a lot on bobsnox. Do you know him from somewhere, or something?

Yes.

But what does that matter? I saw him on about 10 straight times, reading this forum, and not posting here (nor elsewhere in Coney Island). That's the definition of lurking.

yeah sorry. I would check all the threads I'm in but I was only really paying attention to the others at the time.

A meta on bobsnox will detect his alignment 100% of the time.

lol yeah but I would say I have a different meta here than at VT.

anyway, join our Sleepy wagon? we can pick between DN and Kwanton tomorrow

[Leiskyrie]

vote: Sleepy

[vollkan]

The "tunneling from one player to the next" is how I play. I usually end up tunneling every player at least once. Now I'm off to figure out my next target.

1) Do you have other examples of you playing that way?
2) Similarly, asking somebody to contribute hardly qualifies as "tunnelling". If what you're saying is that you play a game of whack-a-mole with lurkerks (voting each one in turn until they say something), that's not at all a productive way to play

And bob, you mentioned but never actually answered my question. Why the mention of a quicklynch? How was it optimal play for town in any way?

I didn't mention a quicklynch. I'm not sure what you mean. It might have ended up a quicklynch but I wasn't purposely trying to make it so. I wasn't paying attention and thought the general consensus was that it was time for a vollkan lynch. I skimmed over the case on MPR, realized my vote was misplaced, and figured everyone else was onto something with vollkan. He was at L-1 and no one seemed to be unvoting so I figured people were content with his lynching.

I'm fairly embarrassed at how I was handling this game. Obviously I'm paying more attention at this point.

Then why didn't you ask people to explain the quicklynch wagon? Not paying attention doesn't excuse a failure to ask questions. if you thought there was a consensus, why not ask why?

vote: Sleepy

Reason?

[AlmasterGM]

I'm asking you to check your reads. Kwanton is scum.

SleepyKrew.

What is your opinion?

[Leiskyrie]

[quote="vollkan

vote: Sleepy

Reason?[/quote]

I mentioned it in my last post, but I feel his voting of bob was off in that he was not really pressuring bob either.

Mod: I'll V/LA until the 14th

[Leiskyrie]

EDBWOP: tag fail...

[Nexus]

MehPlusRawr has been prodded.

Votecount 1.6:

SleepyKrew (5): kiwieagle, AlamasterGM, vollkan, bobsnox, Leiskyrie
vollkan (2): Ellibereth, MehPlusRawr
Kwanton (2): Lady Lamdadelta, Katsuki
bobsnox (1): DeathNote
Deathnote (1): Acosmist

Not voting: Kwanton, SleepyKrew

The deadline is 8am GMT on the 20th June. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Leiskyrie is on v/la until the 14th June.

[Katsuki]

Sitting next. To my friend on the road sues throwing up dOnt know how I lOfgged o but it's so nixce

[SleepyKrew]

The "tunneling from one player to the next" is how I play. I usually end up tunneling every player at least once. Now I'm off to figure out my next target.

1) Do you have other examples of you playing that way?
2) Similarly, asking somebody to contribute hardly qualifies as "tunnelling". If what you're saying is that you play a game of whack-a-mole with lurkerks (voting each one in turn until they say something), that's not at all a productive way to play.

1. My only completed game is a newbie game, and my playstyle hadn't developed into the tunneling until after the game. But I have mentioned this style in other games.
2. That wasn't tunneling. It was pressure.
Off to read Kwanton.

[vollkan]

The "tunneling from one player to the next" is how I play. I usually end up tunneling every player at least once. Now I'm off to figure out my next target.

1) Do you have other examples of you playing that way?
2) Similarly, asking somebody to contribute hardly qualifies as "tunnelling". If what you're saying is that you play a game of whack-a-mole with lurkerks (voting each one in turn until they say something), that's not at all a productive way to play.

1. My only completed game is a newbie game, and my playstyle hadn't developed into the tunneling until after the game. But I have mentioned this style in other games.
2. That wasn't tunneling. It was pressure.
Off to read Kwanton.

On 1), maybe I am misunderstanding you, but it seems to be completely misleading to claim that you "play" a certain way, when you don't appear to have any track record of playing that way. Please quote for me where you "mention" this playstyle. Needless to say, my BS-senses are tingling.

[Acosmist]

Will I vig you at night for being scum?

That's the question that you are hand-wringing over me not answering?

No, I was talking about the magical -5 that I got somewhere along the line...but ok, Mr Guilty Conscience!

I explained why you got +5. What is the contradiction?

Sure, why not? I don't get why you think my questions are less than fully serious. I mean, there's ONE reason you could PURPORT to misunderstand them...

Is your read on me null or 55? Null is 50, ain't it?

[Acosmist]

You're focusing a lot on bobsnox. Do you know him from somewhere, or something?

Yes.

But what does that matter? I saw him on about 10 straight times, reading this forum, and not posting here (nor elsewhere in Coney Island). That's the definition of lurking.

yeah sorry. I would check all the threads I'm in but I was only really paying attention to the others at the time.

A meta on bobsnox will detect his alignment 100% of the time.

lol yeah but I would say I have a different meta here than at VT.

anyway, join our Sleepy wagon? we can pick between DN and Kwanton tomorrow

well, you don't

I think deep down you know that, bro.

[Acosmist]

The "tunneling from one player to the next" is how I play. I usually end up tunneling every player at least once. Now I'm off to figure out my next target.

1) Do you have other examples of you playing that way?
2) Similarly, asking somebody to contribute hardly qualifies as "tunnelling". If what you're saying is that you play a game of whack-a-mole with lurkerks (voting each one in turn until they say something), that's not at all a productive way to play.

1. My only completed game is a newbie game, and my playstyle hadn't developed into the tunneling until after the game. But I have mentioned this style in other games.
2. That wasn't tunneling. It was pressure.
Off to read Kwanton.

On 1), maybe I am misunderstanding you, but it seems to be completely misleading to claim that you "play" a certain way, when you don't appear to have any track record of playing that way. Please quote for me where you "mention" this playstyle. Needless to say, my BS-senses are tingling.

this is an absurdly good point, please explain ScummyKrew

[Katsuki]

NO Poje resPondc to my cases?) teehee A ll the scums come out so reasy

[vollkan]

Will I vig you at night for being scum?

That's the question that you are hand-wringing over me not answering?

No, I was talking about the magical -5 that I got somewhere along the line...but ok, Mr Guilty Conscience!

I explained why you got +5. What is the contradiction?

Sure, why not? I don't get why you think my questions are less than fully serious. I mean, there's ONE reason you could PURPORT to misunderstand them...

Is your read on me null or 55? Null is 50, ain't it?

I can't see a single way that a question like "Will I vig you at night for being scum?" is a serious question. It's on par with Fate-esque questions like "Are you scum?" and so on.

My read on you is 55. And yeah, 50 is null

[SleepyKrew]

The "tunneling from one player to the next" is how I play. I usually end up tunneling every player at least once. Now I'm off to figure out my next target.

1) Do you have other examples of you playing that way?
2) Similarly, asking somebody to contribute hardly qualifies as "tunnelling". If what you're saying is that you play a game of whack-a-mole with lurkerks (voting each one in turn until they say something), that's not at all a productive way to play.

1. My only completed game is a newbie game, and my playstyle hadn't developed into the tunneling until after the game. But I have mentioned this style in other games.
2. That wasn't tunneling. It was pressure.
Off to read Kwanton.

On 1), maybe I am misunderstanding you, but it seems to be completely misleading to claim that you "play" a certain way, when you don't appear to have any track record of playing that way. Please quote for me where you "mention" this playstyle. Needless to say, my BS-senses are tingling.

I cannot quote it to you, because all the games that I've used this style are currently ongoing.

[vollkan]

The "tunneling from one player to the next" is how I play. I usually end up tunneling every player at least once. Now I'm off to figure out my next target.

1) Do you have other examples of you playing that way?
2) Similarly, asking somebody to contribute hardly qualifies as "tunnelling". If what you're saying is that you play a game of whack-a-mole with lurkerks (voting each one in turn until they say something), that's not at all a productive way to play.

1. My only completed game is a newbie game, and my playstyle hadn't developed into the tunneling until after the game. But I have mentioned this style in other games.
2. That wasn't tunneling. It was pressure.
Off to read Kwanton.

On 1), maybe I am misunderstanding you, but it seems to be completely misleading to claim that you "play" a certain way, when you don't appear to have any track record of playing that way. Please quote for me where you "mention" this playstyle. Needless to say, my BS-senses are tingling.

I cannot quote it to you, because all the games that I've used this style are currently ongoing.

Krew+5

Okay...so:

- First, you tell me that you "play" a particular way
- Second, you tell me that, whilst you don't actually have any record of "playing" that way, you have "mentioned" this in other games
- And, now, you are telling me that, despite you having just brought up said "mentioning", you can't actually quote it because it's in an ongoing game. Needless to say, if you weren't going to be able to back this meta defence up, you shouldn't have made it to begin with. (To say nothing of the fact that there is no way in hell that I am going to accept a meta defence based on ongoing games, unless you have actually flipped in those games).

Also, the "don't discuss ongoing games" rule doesn't have any application here. The rule is directed against DISCUSSING ongoing games. Quoting from an ongoing game is fine, since it's something that everybody could access if they wanted to. The rule just requires that there be no substantive discussion of that other game.

[SleepyKrew]

I do indeed have a record of playing this way. I wasn't aware I could quote ongoing games. I'll go find the stuff now.

[AlmasterGM]

MehPlusRawr has been prodded.

Unsurprising. MPR's buddy is taking heat in the thread ---> lurk.

[Acosmist]

I do indeed have a record of playing this way. I wasn't aware I could quote ongoing games. I'll go find the stuff now.

When it takes an inadmissible discussion to support the reliability of evidence, there's really no point introducing that evidence.

[Nexus]

I do indeed have a record of playing this way. I wasn't aware I could quote ongoing games. I'll go find the stuff now.

Um. No.

You can't bring anything from an ongoing game into this game. Or any other game.

Please refrain.

[Ellibereth]

Sleepy Krew, yes or no to the following statement: Tunneling is bad.