Mini 1183: Mafiamatical Mathia - Game over!

[Oopidstay]

(Sorry, I really should write all this in one post. ) Morthas interacted with Kalofer, but...it feels weird. Read it and tell me what you think.

I didn't read Implosion yet. I still hold my suspicions from D1, but Morthas is giving me too strong a vibe to ignore.

Also, no offense, but that's a bad reason to call Wicked obvtown. There's no reason why scum can't throw an early bus. Early

hammers

, though, now that's a different story... (See Juls.)

[Twistedspoon]

to look town obv. Also to cut the day for townie discussion. Things could have gotten worse..

I'm unsure why scum would do it, but I really have no clue why town would. So early and with so much risk. In her last post Juls even said

He is null-leaning town.

this was in her post right before the hammer

basically if Kalofer had flipped town Juls would have been obvscum. Therefore Juls would have not made that move unless she knew Kalofer was going to flip scum

therefore

Juls

[Twistedspoon]

that last word was meant to be

VOTE: Juls

[Oopidstay]

Cut D1 discussion? Really?

Why didn't she simply wait for the Kalofer wagon to blow over? It was already appearing to head that way, so why not let the storm pass by instead of killing her partner? In a game this small, there's likely only two scum, so hammering your partner early on D1, when there was a chance he could've lived through it, is a horrible tactical decision.

...and really, if you can vote Juls for this, you really can't declare Wicked obvtown for throwing the first vote (at least on the vote count) down on Kalofer. If scum was going to vote their partner, I'd expect it to be much closer to the beginning, and

certainly

not the hammer vote. Not when the lynch isn't set in stone.

[don_johnson]

Heeeey

Twisted

...and everyone else for that matter (except you

mort

, you don't deserve my recognition).

there's your scum team.

vote: morthas

juls, my guess is that you're a neighbor. do you recall the game where springlullaby was mafia neighbor and i was scum? not sure if you were in it, but spring tunnelled the shit out of me day 1, so much so, that i killed her at night. her opening post had a similar format where she said "hello" to me and my scumbuddy. what do you think?

[don_johnson]

3 scum is a bit tough with nine players, but neighbors usually are unknown to the scum team and only win if scum wins. enough town power could offset the unbalance, plus, two scum would mean that there is only one scum left, and the neighbor. need to check the wiki, but i've never played with a neighbor who was known to the scum team.

[don_johnson]

ok. if neighbor is known to scum team and scum team is two, i favor morthas>twisted. more later. i want juls input.

[implosion]

don, I think you're thinking of traitor... neighbors are alignment-unconfirmed masons.
I agree with oopid, the second neighbor should claim. I'd suspect that kalofer told his scumbuddy who they are anyway.
Juls and TS look decidedly more like town with a kalofer scum flip.
Last scum is probably either morthas or plague.
VOTE: morthas

[Twistedspoon]

don, I think you're thinking of traitor... neighbors are alignment-unconfirmed masons.

this

might look at the kalofer iso

[Hoppster]

Day 2, Votecount 2

theplague42 - 0

[L - 5]

Twistedspoon - 0

[L - 5]

Morthas - 3

[L - 2]

(Oopidstay, don_johnson, implosion)

Juls - 1

[L - 4]

(Twistedspoon)

implosion - 0

[L - 5]

Wickedestjr - 0

[L - 5]

don_johnson - 0

[L - 5]

Oopidstay - 0

[L - 5]

No Lynch - 0

[L - 5]

Not Voting - 4 (theplague42, Morthas, Juls, Wickedestjr)

Deadline: Friday June 24th at 15:30 BST

Time left:

(expired on 2011-06-24 10:30:00)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[theplague42]

Okay interesting end to Day 1. Juls is town imo. Townies do stupid stuff like that all the time, and I just can't see her hammering her partner that early. It seems like she got frustrated/impatient and just didn't care what happened to herself afterward. A mafioso would probably be a little more concerned about what people thought of them. The "null leaning town" comment does make me a little suspicious though.

I think it's safe to assume that there's only one mafioso left, as a three-scum game would be at LyLo after a single mislynch. Unless there's no NK, but that wouldn't be a Normal I don't think.

[theplague42]

PS: Checking out Kalofer's relationships with other people.

[Twistedspoon]

I think it's safe to assume that there's only one mafioso left, as a three-scum game would be at LyLo after a single mislynch. Unless there's no NK, but that wouldn't be a Normal I don't think.

that's not a bad point actually

this is a hoppster game. I am expecting the unexpected.

I liked don's Idea about 2 mafia 1 traitor. that could work. I don't know.

mafiamatical mathia just reeks of complicated setup though

[theplague42]

#0. Says hi to TS; says morth doesn't deserve it; votes me
#2. oopid and juls are town; implosion is null/town; vote TS because of oopid's reason; FOS on morthas; responds to don's question or something
#3. TS could be "usual townie self" but still scummy; asks me about not voting TS
#5. Two scummy things are morthas lurking and wicked voting w/o explanation

Ok and that's it. Just from this, I'm seeing a morthas scumpartner. Both accusations seem like distancing, as they're out of nowhere and have no real conviction behind them.

Vote: Morthas

for right now. I'm going to do an ISO on him right now to double-check, but Kalofer's posts definitely point to him IMO.

Preview edit: Hoppster is known for weird stuff? I didn't know that. It can't be too screwed-up of a setup, though, as it's a Mini Normal.

Are you understanding the traitor role correctly? A traitor isn't known to the scum, but plays for scum. It has no relationship with a neighbor at all, as the point of the traitor is that he 1. investigates as town, and 2. isn't known to the rest of the scumteam. They know he exists, but not who he is.

[theplague42]

First thing I saw is in Morthas' first post.

VOTE: implo
Lurking before the game even starts thus making me refresh this page so many goddamn times.

Hi Twisted ;D Not you Kalofer... you don't get a hi.

So he also says hi to TS, then says Kalofer doesn't get a hi. Interesting.

Just wanted to put that out there before finishing my ISO as it's very coincidental.

[theplague42]

Note. Before anyone says anything, Morthas' post was before TS, and Kalofer's was after. So it doesn't seem like just a normal response-type thing. But maybe I'm just reading into it too deeply. Rest of it will come in one big post, sorry for the multiples.

[Twistedspoon]

I think I may be able to shed some light

VOTE: implo
Lurking before the game even starts thus making me refresh this page so many goddamn times.

Hi Twisted ;D Not you Kalofer... you don't get a hi.

Morthas, Kalofer, and I had just finished playing Candy zoo mafia when this game started

since it was very recent and we were all together it's not

that

unusual that he mentioned myself and kalofer

Just thought I'd tell you

[theplague42]

@Twisted
Ah okay didn't know that. Nvm then on that; just me over-extrapolating again. Morthas' ISO.

#0. Votes implosion; says hi to TS; refuses to Kalofer
#1-2. Responds negatively to TS's posts.
#3. Interesting post; responds more to TS; fos on juls, implo, and TS; null on oopid

Kalofer [joking]Complete and utter scum[/joking], Screw you, Shiro is fabulous D: Null

Smoking gun IMO.

#4. Won't vote implosion
#6. Unvotes
#7. good questioning of wicked; asks Kalofer about read on TS; votes oopidstay
Not much else after that.

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Just my imaginative tangent. For a 2 mafia plus 1 traitor game, the following quote:

Come to think of it,

Twisted could be his usual townie self

but I'm not in the mood of letting go of scummy actions which lack justification. I'll keep my vote where it is for now. Plague, you've clearly focused your attention on TS, so why no vote for him?

Is that because of meta or did you mean to say that you have mixed reads on him?

The bolded part is a code from Kalofer to Morthas saying that Twisted is the traitor. Just my imagination at work. Ignore it.

[Twistedspoon]

if Morthas comes along are we expecting him to claim?

[theplague42]

if Morthas comes along are we expecting him to claim?

Sure. Depends on how fidgety he is at L-1.

[Twistedspoon]

okays

still want to hear from Juls though

I still think that hammer would have been way to risky for town to do

[Twistedspoon]

my point is that if morthas isn't scum I don't intend on anyone riding a scum hammer to the endgame

[theplague42]

Good point, but I still think there are better suspects at the moment.

[Twistedspoon]

agreed

[Twistedspoon]

UNVOTE:

I'll give Juls time

I need to consider other options too