Mini 1183: Mafiamatical Mathia - Game over!

Juls · Post Post #175 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:10 am

1) I am not scum
2) I didn't like his delay
3) I meant what I said, that information is gleaned from Night 1 and I am very happy we got scum regardless of how scummy it made me look. I knew it would come off scummy but I didn't really care because there was too much "I'll post soon" going on in this thread and it needed to be shaken up.
4) I still like Wicked and/or TS for scum.

Vote: Wicked

Wicked was also first on the Kalofer wagon which may have caught him in a bus situation gone awry by my early hammer.
5) I like implosion alot more for his reaction to my hammer. He was first to ask why I didn't get a claim. The way I saw it, if Kalofer was a power role he would have been more interested in saving his neck and would have claimed in his "just a sec" post instead of saying "just as sec".

I agree the neighbor should claim if there is one.

Mod: Can you verify that a Neighbor is different than a Neighborizer to you

. If he was a neighborizer there is no neighbor, if he was a neighbor then there is a town neighbor out there somewhere.

Hoppster · Post Post #176 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:18 am

Day 2, Votecount 3theplague42 - 0

[L - 5]

Twistedspoon - 0

[L - 5]

Morthas - 4

[L - 1] (Oopidstay, don_johnson, implosion, theplague42)

Juls - 0

[L - 5]

implosion - 0

[L - 5]

Wickedestjr - 1

[L - 4]

(Juls)

don_johnson - 0

[L - 5]

Oopidstay - 0

[L - 5]

No Lynch - 0

[L - 5]

Not Voting - 3 (Morthas, Wickedestjr, Twistedspoon)

Deadline: Friday June 24th at 15:30 BST

Time left:

(expired on 2011-06-24 10:30:00)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Juls wrote:
Mod: Can you verify that a Neighbor is different than a Neighborizer to you

Yes.

Juls · Post Post #177 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:19 am

By the way, we are in an awesome position and I am not scared to hammer Morthas. In this game, Juls is aggressive and if you don't intend to have him hammered at a moments notice you probably shouldn't have your vote on him.

Juls · Post Post #178 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:22 am

Actually, Mort is the neighbor...they crumbed it pretty clearly. Votes should probably be removed from him.

Juls · Post Post #179 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:24 am

Morthas wrote:VOTE: implo
Lurking before the game even starts thus making me refresh this page so many goddamn times.

Hi Twisted ;D Not you Kalofer... you don't get a hi.

Kalofer wrote:Heeeey Twisted...and everyone else for that matter (except you mort, you don't deserve my recognition).
VOTE: theplague42 cos plagues r bad

Twistedspoon · Post Post #180 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:35 am

still not seeing the crumb

including their names doesn't count as a good crumb

in fact you could argue myself or plague are the neighbours too, since they mentioned us, using that logic

Juls · Post Post #181 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:40 pm

They both said the same thing to each other: (paraphrase) hi to everyone except X, you don't deserve it. You saw my breadcumb in another game so you know it happens. Why are you playing dumb?

don_johnson · Post Post #182 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:48 pm

unvote

Morthas claim plz.

Juls · Post Post #183 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:55 pm

Just to be uber sure we don't clear a town neighbor and then find this out...

Mod: Is it possible to have two mafia neighbors with no town in the neighbor chat?

don_johnson · Post Post #184 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:12 pm

Bad question juls. Unless there is three neighbors its irrelevant. Neighbors dont know each others alignments. No reason for two neighbors who are both mafia. If morthas is the only other neighbor thwn hes confirmed. Unvote and he claims. We move on. Also, if he is neighbor and confirmed, then this wagon is suspect.

Juls · Post Post #185 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:14 pm

It's a question if the mod is trying to do some sort of craziness. I am nothing if not thorough. It would be bastardly in my opinion but I just want to make sure I don't have to rage in end game.

Oopidstay · Post Post #186 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:16 pm

Unvote: Morthas

Oopidstay · Post Post #187 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:17 pm

EBWOP: Pending this neighbor biz.

theplague42 · Post Post #188 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:29 pm

I'm keeping my vote until he claims. I guess I can see the crumb, too. This would all be simplified if he claims.

Personally I think our best bet is to lookl at Kalofer's meager posts and look for distancing and other such things.

And since there's probably only one mafioso left, I'm thinking massclaim. Thoughts? Is it too early? We probably get three more lynches, four if there's another no-NK. If we can clear 3 or 4 people right now and more later tomorrow, we have an awesome chance of winning.

I'm thinking that it depends on why there was no NK. If it was a doc-protect, then we have 3 cleared right now. Seems like good chances.

Juls · Post Post #189 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:58 pm

I think maybe later. Lets at least wait until the mafia actually kills someone. We might get some info in a couple nights/days. If we give up cops/docs/etc. now then they aren't much use to us.

Morthas · Post Post #190 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:43 pm

@MOD

:My pc has died so im going to have limited access from now on for heck knows how long, i probably will be able to still participate though

I am indeed a neighbour and i know Kalofer IRL so that's where the early game jokes come from (plus my biased attitude against him)

Mod-Edit:

Limited access noted.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #191 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:46 pm

Morthas wrote:

I am indeed a neighbour and i know Kalofer IRL so that's where the early game jokes come from (plus my biased attitude against him)

you're both from Cyprus

anyways

Question to Juls: on a scale of surprise, 1 being utterly expected and 10 being an early Christmas for a Paraguayan Orphan, how surprised were you at the kalofer scumflip?

Question to wicked:

Wickedestjr wrote:Kalofer and Oopidstay are scum.

Vote: Kalofer

you have one correct so far. Congrats. How confident are you now that Oopid is the partner and do you think another player might be the mafioso. Furthermore how did you view the hammer and what is the most incriminating thing in your opinion from the kalofer iso?

Wickedestjr · Post Post #192 (ISO) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:47 pm

Mod: I'm going to have very limited access both today and tomorrow.

I'm really sorry, but I have a lot of work to do this weekend.

Mod-Edit:

Noted, thanks for letting me know.

Hoppster · Post Post #193 (ISO) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:55 am

Day 2, Votecount 4theplague42 - 0

[L - 5]

Twistedspoon - 0

[L - 5]

Morthas - 2

[L - 3]

(implosion, theplague42)

Juls - 0

[L - 5]

implosion - 0

[L - 5]

Wickedestjr - 1

[L - 4]

(Juls)

don_johnson - 0

[L - 5]

Oopidstay - 0

[L - 5]

No Lynch - 0

[L - 5]

Not Voting - 5 (Morthas, Wickedestjr, Twistedspoon, don_johnson, Oopidstay)

Deadline: Friday June 24th at 15:30 BST

Time left:

(expired on 2011-06-24 10:30:00)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Morthas is V/LA until further notice.
Wickedestjr is V/LA Saturday and Sunday.

Juls wrote:
Mod: Is it possible to have two mafia neighbors with no town in the neighbor chat?

Hoopla, Head of the Normal Game Review Group, wrote:It's a perfectly possible and fine role combination

So, yes.

This

should not

in any shape or form be taken as denial or confirmation of this role combination in this paticular setup. Speculation upon either of the two may result in a force-replace if I deem it suitable and necessary.

EDIT:

See this post for a slight clarification.

Juls · Post Post #194 (ISO) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:56 am

@Mod: Why would you force-replace someone for setup speculation?

@TS: I am never surprised when someone flips scum unless I have a solid town read on them. I had a null leaning-town read on him based on the speed of his wagon alone. So I was surprised, as in "hey I just got a free milk shake at mcdonald's" surprised.

@Morthas: Do you have anything to share with us about Kalofer's play in the Neighbor QT?

Twistedspoon · Post Post #195 (ISO) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:35 am

Juls wrote:
@Mod: Why would you force-replace someone for setup speculation?

If we all speculate then I guess we all get replaced out

Hoppster · Post Post #196 (ISO) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:37 am

Juls wrote:
@Mod: Why would you force-replace someone for setup speculation?

It is not the setup speculation I would force-replace for (you remain free to do this as always).

Hoppster wrote:
This
should not
in any shape or form be taken as denial or confirmation of this role combination in this paticular setup. Speculation upon either of the two may result in a force-replace if I deem it suitable and necessary.

To rephrase this (hopefully) more clearly:

I may force-replace for something along the lines of

"The prescence of two Mafia Neighbours in this setup is impossible/confirmed because of X"

, where X is a factor/reason that originates not from the game, but outside of the game, as judged at my discretion.

If you have something similar you wish to post, you would do well to check via PM with me first.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #197 (ISO) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:52 am

whatever

I just don't want a morthas lynch after he has claimed neighbour

theplague42 · Post Post #198 (ISO) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:58 am

Unvote

I believe him. Don't have any more time right now.

Oopidstay · Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:29 am

implosion wrote:Last scum is probably either morthas
or plague
.

Why plague?