OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

[Moratorium]

Fence-sitting or voting opportunistically.

Curious.

What is your opinion of DK's quick-mishammer vote?

[Amrun]

It truly concerns me that the top subjects of suspicion and discussion are the three most handicapped players.

HelloNewman, please post your reads and link me to some town neta of yours, since I am unfamiliar with that.

[Hoppster]

Fence-sitting or voting opportunistically.

Curious.

What is your opinion of DK's quick-mishammer vote?

Very, very stupid, but town.

I don't deny that it was in some respects opportunistic, but really, I would have expected newb-scum to more and try and pass it off in a more sheepy way.

DK's posts have a common theme: I (DeityKabuto) am town.

A lot of his logic in his posts is made under the assumption of him being town. I don't think newb-scum would be able to keep up a charade of "OHAI GUYZ I AM TOWN"-logic so well.

I'll pull them together in a post when I'm finished catching up with other games.

Overall, I'm leaning town on him. His recent posts suggest to me that he is either town, or scum with Amrun (and I have both as town, anyhow - Amrun moreso).

[Amrun]

I checked over DK the lst time I mislynched him... Meta fits, I think. DK is town.

I get distracted by the shiny sometimes, but I won't lynch DK today.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm not yet read to declare V/LA just yet, but I just started taking a math course online to get ahead, and I'm quite busy. (I'm on the final, so it won't be more than a day or two. Sorry!)

I have a faint memory of a question being directed to me that I put off, this may be a different game, but if my memory is correct, could that person restate their question.

Thanks again, and sorry for the trouble.

[HellloooNewman]

Quilford/iceguy - No real read. Possibly one of the two is scum lying low.

TimHill - Reactive posting. Leaning town right now.

And I am town, of course.


@Amrun - For town meta, check out Fringe season 2, Lost season 4 games.

[HellloooNewman]

EBWOP - Dunno what happened to the first half of the above post....here it is anyhow.



Amrun - Likely town. Her meta is that she plays very similarly as scum or town. But I'm just feeling town here.

DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch. The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have.

Moratorium - Good discussion, probably town.

Hoppster - Started scummy for me by trying to be a leader from the get go. Since then, his conversation is much more townish. Leaning town.

Jill - Scum. Posts are scattered and all over the place.

[Amrun]

How is scattered posting a scumtell? How is being a leader a scumtell? Do you have a wiki? If not, please post links to those games.

[jilynne1991]

Also, how are my posts scattered all over the place and what does that mean?

[Quilford]

Really not getting good vibes off Newman or jilynne, though I doubt they're scum together.

jilynne is the only person listed as scum by Newman recently, and yet he's not voting accordingly.

And I agree with Hoppster's assessment of jilynne, she's also been contributing very little (ISO) and she seems to be trying very hard to remain polite and impassive in her posting style. She seems like newbscum to me.

VOTE: jillynne1991

[jilynne1991]

Newman...you give good/decent descriptions, but you're not actively scumhunting.

U know, I try to be polite for the point of being polite.

(Read: just because I don't cuss every 5 minutes, doesn't mean I'm impassive.)

Sure, I may not be contributing too much...maybe because I'm still not that good with writing cases and proving things?

Eugh, I just thought of something, Amrun is giving me a sick feeling...

[Quilford]

Also I want reads with explanations from jillynne.

Amrun -- null/town - good points re: DK, but too much hypodoc distraction
chkflp/IceGuy -- town - disagreeing with each other and part gut
DK -- null/scum - Amrun has some good points on why she's town, but Ice has some good points on why she's scum
HelloooNewman -- scum - for reasons mentioned previously plus I agree with Amrun's #257 and think his reads are generally weak
Hoppster -- still town - leading the town and contributing well
jilynne1991 -- scum - mentioned above
Moratorium -- null/town - hard to read but liking his reads
tim_hill1990 -- null/scum - Amrun brings up good points about him in her ISO #39 and thread #210

Elaborate on the sick feeling, jilynne.

[HellloooNewman]

Scattered posts mean that they are posting to stay active and commenting on whatever is popular at the moment.

Being extremely proactive and trying to lead the town makes you look VERY protown, especially for a strong player. A good scummers could be a pied piper and lead all suspicion away from himself.

I do not have a wiki those games are in the mini theme queue. Honestly, as I am on an iPod touch, it is a pain in the ass to look up. Theyre there if you wanna look.

[Amrun]

So let me get this straight: you think Hoppster is scum because golly gee, he looks just like town and that's what scum want to do? Did you not just see me explain to tim why that's a terrible idea?

Why is your vote not on jily?

Are you always hesitant to throw down votes or do you only do that as scum like I've observed before?

[jilynne1991]

I'm *always* hesitant to throw down votes.

Something I've noticed though, is that when people challenge me to vote them, their usually town, since scum doesn't want people to vote them.

Give me a few minutes and I'll try to write a case on you.

[jilynne1991]

So let me get this straight: you think Hoppster is scum because golly gee, he looks just like town and that's what scum want to do? Did you not just see me explain to tim why that's a terrible idea?

Why is your vote not on jily?

Are you always hesitant to throw down votes or do you only do that as scum like I've observed before?

I've only finished one game. I'm suprised you can judge me that much based on one game.

[jilynne1991]

How is scattered posting a scumtell? How is being a leader a scumtell? Do you have a wiki? If not, please post links to those games.

In your first sentence, you're asking something that should be obvious. I honestly didn't understand what he meant, but apparently you did.

This was also a post that striked me strangely.

[jilynne1991]

I checked over DK the lst time I mislynched him... Meta fits, I think. DK is town.

I get distracted by the shiny sometimes, but I won't lynch DK today.

Do explain what you mean by shiny.

You seem to base alot on Meta. I'm not that experience of a player, but I don't think you should.

People can change, you know.

[jilynne1991]

It truly concerns me that the top subjects of suspicion and discussion are the three most handicapped players.

HelloNewman, please post your reads and link me to some town neta of yours, since I am unfamiliar with that.

I noticed, I don't see very much content from you. It's more questions.

That, I believe is weird. I certainly don't see a problem with asking a lot of questions, but not offering that much content of your own, disturbs me.

[Amrun]

That post was not even remotely directed at you, jily. You're contesting that what I said about you is wrong, but I was never saying it about you in the first place. A word of advice, though: a townie's most potent tool is his vote.

What I do is scumhunting, and you don't do that while posting a boring reads list of content other people generate. I am basically single handedly generating content at this point. You can't draw conclusions if the questions are not asked. What do you consider content, jily? Do you think you have more content than me?

The "shiny" thing means that DK plays in a scummy way that distracts me, and when he's town it distracts me from finding scum and when he's scum people go, "But it's DK!"

I don't actually base reads on meta, but I use it to inform my reads sometimes. This game is about psychology and that's why I like it, and it's easier to get into someone's head with a larger pool of samples to draw conclusions from.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, then.

That makes sense.

Now...my one lead, turned into nothing. Oh, well, I learned some more.

Ok, nothing's come up for me, sorry, but can someone ask me a few questions to get the wheels in my brain turning again?

[Amrun]

Why didn't you place a vote on me if you suspected me?

[HellloooNewman]

Amrun, please re-read what I said about Hopp. I said he STARTED out scummy by trying to take charge. Since then, his content makes me believe him to be town.

And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.

[DeityKabuto]

Amrun is obv scum by the way he posts, and how he continues to babble about DK, move on, like seriously. o.O

HelloNewman is scum because of his agressive posting style and he will bite on anyone who questions his towniliness, like really. o.O

[Moratorium]

So summary of the cases on the top three (tied) vote getters as far as I can tell.

DK -> Mishammered, attempting to avoid hypodoc'ing.
Jillynne -> Fence-sitting, "contributing very little (ISO) and she seems to be trying very hard to remain polite and impassive in her posting style."
tim_hill1991 -> Initial sheeping (followed by long Amrun-tim back and forth that makes summarizing the case difficult), did not initially give reads when prompted.

Questions for the wagoneers:

DeityKabuto, what is your opinion of hypodoc'ing, and why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a strategy?
Jillynne, give me your top three scum reads, why they are scum reads, and explain why you have yet to cast a vote so far this game.
Tim_Hill1991, why did you initially refuse to give reads on players?

And one more:

Amrun, please give me a summary of your case on Tim_Hill1991, what would you consider to be the most salient points raised in your back and forth conversation with him that convince you of his scummyness.