Square Enix VI (MAFIA WINS)

[Amrun]

What kind of question is that? What answer do you expect? YES I AM SCUMZ? Of curse I'm not, but I would hardly answer yes to that question if that were true, would I? I am addressing popsofctown with hard evidence and his best answer is "irl made me forget I suspected C-Worl and totally reverse my stance with no explanation" and "I will ignore the point of your post and tell you some other irrelevant information."

I am using posts, timestamps, etc to show pops why I suspect him and why I drew the conclusion that his reactions are fake and that he is scum.

But go ahead and parrot someone else's mudslinging some more.

Seriously, what was the point of that question? What conclusions were you hoping to draw from my answer?

It's a stacked question and I don't like it.

[popsofctown]

Neither of your responses resolved the issues I brought up.

First Antifinity's minigame obsession is enough for a vote and then it isn't.

First attacks on Bunnylover's policy vendetta against DK is :goodposting:, then it deserves defense.

Which of these are your actual stances? Why the flip flops?

It just doesn't add up.

The vote was for pressure. Stop equating an L-42 vote with a hammer on a player with a claimed, confirmable role. Geeezes.

DK and reck's posts were very different. DK was saying that policy voting from BL is scummy because contradicts her built-in attitudes about policy voting. Reck's attack was that it was weak behavior, or something along those lines, which is more valid, I didn't care to say anything one way or the other and declared that post goodposting for its other content

[Amrun]

I am not equating your vote to a hammer. I am addressing the contradictions in your approaches to Antifinity.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: LobsterCatapult

SCUM.

100% SURE.

[Parabollocks]

What kind of question is that? What answer do you expect? YES I AM SCUMZ? Of curse I'm not, but I would hardly answer yes to that question if that were true, would I? I am addressing popsofctown with hard evidence and his best answer is "irl made me forget I suspected C-Worl and totally reverse my stance with no explanation" and "I will ignore the point of your post and tell you some other irrelevant information."

I am using posts, timestamps, etc to show pops why I suspect him and why I drew the conclusion that his reactions are fake and that he is scum.

But go ahead and parrot someone else's mudslinging some more.

Seriously, what was the point of that question? What conclusions were you hoping to draw from my answer?

It's a stacked question and I don't like it.

way to go over-board on a simple question.

[Amrun]

Oops, just noticed I said C-Worl in there instead of Antifinity.

Please answer the question, Parabollocks.

[Hiraki]

Hey guys.

Here are your choices for today.
Lobster
Parabollocks

[Bunnylover]

Hiraki your a little all over the place.
Why Lobster?
Why Parabollocks (although I can probably answer this).

Not sure what to think about the Amrum v.s. Pops thing. I admit that Pops overreacted a little, but I don't think its enough for a lynch.

[Hiraki]

Lobster is scummy

So is Parabollocks.

You can read if you want.

It's not that hard to see.

[Amrun]

It isn't just the over reaction, bunny.

Hiraki, I am not amused. The playstyke you're imitating isn't working for you.

[Hiraki]

I don't imitate.

[Amrun]

Well, that wasn't my point. You're trying on a new style or something and it's not very pro-town or productive.

Do you have any scum meta to provide? I've played with you as town a couple of times and this seems a bit different.

[Hiraki]

If you need it.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=17191

There's more.

Put it's very early stuff.

And I don't want to find it.

If you need it though, you can go get it.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP:

"If you need it though, I can go get it."

[popsofctown]

It isn't just the over reaction, bunny.

Hiraki, I am not amused. The playstyke you're imitating isn't working for you.

YOU WILL DANCE WITH THAT STRAWMAN AND YOU'LL LIKE IT.

[Hiraki]

Eh.

Plausible, but not really there.

[Parabollocks]

Seriously, what was the point of that question? What conclusions were you hoping to draw from my answer?

You're trying to call someone scum for how they 'reacted', that's a very weak argument and then you took it one step further and make a whole lot of bs on pops.

[Parabollocks]

and just so people don't flip shit i guess i can be a bit more giving then i have been, but it's usually not my forte.

Parabollocks: On all wagons, blatant case sheeping to put attention on bobsnox after being asked for a case that took a long time to emerge. Scum.

i think my vote process was:

c-worl > dk > anti.

that's only 3 people, and most of those aren't even sheeps, c-worl wagon had some fire to it, dk was dk and felt scummy, and anti was a majority decision.

i haven't even placed my vote yet, i could make that seething case on bobsnox but alas.

[Parabollocks]

Oh man, i actually have motivation this time? woohoo.

i'll just do an ISO, anybody colored in red are my main focuses.

Bobsnox

- Despite my enthusiasm to slap this guy across the face, i still think he is scum, and here is why:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3088905

As we all know, bobby showed up with his first vote being chesskid, simply on meta, and that chesskid wasn't playing as townchesskid.

wonderful, fantastic, A+.

but then...we see someone else voting him, elsa.

oh look my vote on Chesskid caught scum lol. I like the case on DeityKabuko as well, though. #314 is good.

Scumlist:
DK
Elsa von Spielburg

UNVOTE: Chesskid (will look at his slot later)

VOTE: DeityKabuko

But I think both Elsa's vote and unvote were scummy.

Calling someone scum for the exact same thing you did? bad.

DK vote is pretty warranted, but oh woe is me, i'm being called scum for sheeping.

UNVOTE: DK

VOTE: Elsa von Spielburg

Scummy when she posts but even scummier in the fact that she's not voting anyone. There are plenty of options right now... How was Chess the only viable option for her?

ooba - Chess is town because I voted him or what? And Elsa is town because she ___? My Chess vote was scummy but Elsa voting him after me makes her town? That is a really odd analysis in that department.

According to him, I'm scum because I voted chess. That's fine (wrong but whatever). But how is he clearing Chess and Elsa by calling me scum?

What am I missing?

Post 412... - Potential issue detected...

Bobsnox... Querying reason for voting CK?

Ooba... Subject motivation unclear.

Are you asking me why I voted Chess? If so, because of how he was avoiding attention big time. I've seen him do that as scum before. TownChess tries to pull weird (sometimes funny) gimmicks like claiming cop results or whatever. If not that, then he at least posts with more enthusiasm. ScumChess knows he is bad at being scum (I have a quote somewhere) and tries to minimize the attention on him. I think my Chess vote was pretty darn good, except he's replacing out for reasons that negates my analysis ;_;

bobby, oh bobby, you're killing me.

this whole game you have only defended your vote on chesskid, mother of god.


bob gets his own part because idk he's still my main focus.

[Amrun]

Well there's some teeth! They aren't sharp yet, but you're teething.

I disagree that bobsnox and Elsa did exactly the same thing, but I'm glad to hear your thoughts on the matter.

[Parabollocks]

if you go look at elsa's post, they did the same thing, he/she voted chess on basically the same reason bob did, no joke.

I've been reading every post since I last posted but withholding comment because I honestly don't know what's going on. The two biggest strands recently were the vezok thing and those daykills, but I was lost through most of it.

That said, I'm going to

VOTE: Chesskid

because this definitely looks like scumChess to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but townChess posts more and tries to pull random gimmicks while scumChess just stays out of the spotlight.

As one who has never played with this person, meta sounds good enough for me. And doing a quick Iso of him finds someone who has yet to put together a coherent sentence.

Vote: Chesskid

[Amrun]

No. The key difference is that bobs actually has played with chess and is aware of chess meta - and chess was indeed off his town meta. Due to scum or irl issues idk yet.

Elsa was sheeping other people's meta votes with zero knowledge of the meta. It's fairly weak to vote on meta, but to sheep meta as your top read is something else entirely.

It was early in the game yet so bobs' meta vote wasn't that bad but Elsa's was different.

They just were different. That isn't what I find scummy about bobs.

[LobsterCatapult]

No. The key difference is that bobs actually has played with chess and is aware of chess meta - and chess was indeed off his town meta. Due to scum or irl issues idk yet.

Elsa was sheeping other people's meta votes with zero knowledge of the meta. It's fairly weak to vote on meta, but to sheep meta as your top read is something else entirely.

It was early in the game yet so bobs' meta vote wasn't that bad but Elsa's was different.

They just were different. That isn't what I find scummy about bobs.

i agree with amrun about this, though bobsnox vote was weak, elsa's just seemed to come out of left field, and was basing her vote upon someone else's weak vote, for little to no reason except just to believe someone's meta whom she had never played with. why trust bob to make a good judgment about meta? to me, her vote was a random vote to plunk down on someone with the intention of looking good enough to fly under the radar and avoid suspicion, a also think she may be still V/La though im not sure. i find her null/scum.

what i dont like about bob is that he tries to play off his weak meta vote as some sort of trap, but doesn't immediately follow up on it, which looks bad to me. if you are so happy about your little trap, why not just vote elsa there? the trap in itself i find that unlikely and pretty contrived. he also then votes for her when he notices she isnt voting for anyone. at this point, i still found her scummy, but now looking back on it, im considering the fact more and more that bobsnox is scum making elsa's bad vote and exaggerating it. there were many people at that point whom did not have a vote, esp with the many vote resets going on. I also dont know if he is voting for PB just because he didnt get a case against him, or in conjunction with other cases made against him, like his d1 vca. the only thing that really prevents me from seeing bobsnox as scum was his vote on antinfinity at the end. im not sure if scum would make that kind of hammer on a cop d1, but i could just be wifoming this.

although, this could also be distancing/bussing between them d1. im going to go back and look into this more tomorrow.

i think the amrun and pops stuff as of right now, my gut says it is town v town. though, tbh, i have been busy and havent really looked into it closely enough.

[Kise]

Vote Count:

Parabollox: 3 (bobsnox, Moratorium, JPSalazar)
Hiraki: 2 (Katsuki, vezokpiraka)

KDub

: 1
popsofctown: 1 (Amrun)
Amrun: 1 (Quilford)
HellloooNewman: 1 (LobsterCatapult)
LobsterCatapult: 1 (Hiraki)

Not voting: 12 (BunnyLover, Chronopie, DeathNote, diddin, HellloooNewman, KDub, Lowell, MehPlusRawr, Midnight's Sorrow, Panzerjager, Parabollocks, popsofctown)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.
Deadline is 2.5 weeks away.

MehPlusRawr prodded.

[Kdub]

Unvote, Vote: LobsterCatapult

SCUM.

100% SURE.

Why isn't this getting more attention? Hiraki, are you actually sure, or just exaggerating?